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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2014, 01:47:45 PM »
Only time will tell. Personally I don't really follow baseball anymore, the game has gotten boring now that everyone is slower and weaker. Might as well watch the grass grow.

ahhh...nothing beats going to a baseball game on a warm summer night, the smell of the hot dogs, checking out the young ladies in tanktops, sipping a $10 12 ouncer...lol....love it.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2014, 01:52:02 PM »
ahhh...nothing beats going to a baseball game on a warm summer night, the smell of the hot dogs, checking out the young ladies in tanktops, sipping a $10 12 ouncer...lol....love it.

Only got down to Camden once.  Was beautiful.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2014, 01:58:51 PM »
Only got down to Camden once.  Was beautiful.

Yeah it's a great ballpark. One of the top 10 in the U.S. in my opinion. Now that the Orioles have a winning culture again, going to a ballgame has never been better.

Just wish the Orioles would get better pitching. But ace pitchers don't grow on trees and most teams hardly let those types go in free agency. Maybe the Orioles can make a run at Scherzer next season. Pipe dream since I think the Yankees will sign him.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2014, 02:04:00 PM »
Yeah it's a great ballpark. One of the top 10 in the U.S. in my opinion. Now that the Orioles have a winning culture again, going to a ballgame has never been better.

Just wish the Orioles would get better pitching. But ace pitchers don't grow on trees and most teams hardly let those types go in free agency. Maybe the Orioles can make a run at Scherzer next season. Pipe dream since I think the Yankees will sign him.

Yeah - I've been wondering why they didn't get more aggressive with pitching the last few seasons, since the lineup had improved so much.  I would love Scherzer on NY.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2014, 02:44:34 PM »
The crazy thing about the Cabrera deal is that he had 2 years left on his old contract and Detroit didn't have to do anything right now. Why not wait and see if there is any decline on him over the next year/year and half and then take it from there? Crazy

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2014, 03:07:03 PM »
That's fine, but it's hard to argue with a guy whose measured about every inning ever played by every player.

What are your thoughts on Carlos Gomez?  always thought he was a huge waste of raw talent. fucking headcase
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2014, 03:54:41 PM »
The crazy thing about the Cabrera deal is that he had 2 years left on his old contract and Detroit didn't have to do anything right now. Why not wait and see if there is any decline on him over the next year/year and half and then take it from there? Crazy

That's what I'm saying. Maybe his agent started chirping about demanding a trade if a new deal wasn't on the table. I think Cabrera is a bit of a c.o.c.k. sucker, personally.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/miguel-cabrera


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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2014, 08:53:35 PM »
They won't wait 5-6 years to give Trout his first big deal.  They'll buy out his arbitration years for guaranteed money.

BOOM

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24505295/trout-and-angels-agree-on-6-year-1445m-contract
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2014, 12:06:42 AM »
Cabrera looked like a 40 year old man in the playoffs against Boston. Sure he was injured but without him hitting, he sucks. Lets not forget that he's supposedly a raging alcoholic...Alcoholic's bodies break down earlier than most...I say he has 2 to 3 more great hitting years and then he'll be a Pujols...

You're a retard.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2014, 01:31:37 AM »
Fast forward two years or so when he starts getting a little older, gets a serious injury. He's 30 years old

These deals always suck and the teams are financially screwed. Who the fuck in their right mind assumes an athlete will perform at MVP levels for a decade straight.

the whole contract= money,  isnt guaranteed num nums

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2014, 06:59:24 AM »
the whole contract= money,  isnt guaranteed num nums

292M of it is, so he's correct.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2014, 01:18:55 PM »
You're a retard.  Hope this helps.

Everything I said was spot on...Cabrera was liability against Boston. Cost them a game when he rounded third and tried to score while the catcher was holding the ball and Cabrera was thrown out by 10 feet. It was embarrassing...He also couldn't move in the field. Are you saying Cabrera isn't a raging alcoholic? Because he is...Are you saying alcoholic's bodies don't break down earlier than guys who don't drink?

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2014, 04:30:02 PM »
Everything I said was spot on...Cabrera was liability against Boston. Cost them a game when he rounded third and tried to score while the catcher was holding the ball and Cabrera was thrown out by 10 feet. It was embarrassing...He also couldn't move in the field. Are you saying Cabrera isn't a raging alcoholic? Because he is...Are you saying alcoholic's bodies don't break down earlier than guys who don't drink?

He's been incident free for the past few years.  Let's see how the move back to 1st base serves his body.  If he's good for 5 more years, the amount of people that come through the gate will be worth the last 5 years and then some.  He is Michael Jordan.  Get over it. 

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2014, 10:28:58 AM »
He's been incident free for the past few years.  Let's see how the move back to 1st base serves his body.  If he's good for 5 more years, the amount of people that come through the gate will be worth the last 5 years and then some.  He is Michael Jordan.  Get over it. 

He'll never play first base. His next position move will be DH. That's where his contract becomes ridiculous getting paid all that money for not being a two way player. Every penny is guaranteed. But then again, he exposes his body to less wear and tear and that potentially will allow him to keep putting up great offensive numbers for years to come.


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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2014, 10:41:26 AM »
He was actually a good fielder when he was younger. Look at some of his old highlights
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2014, 11:41:16 AM »
He's been incident free for the past few years.  Let's see how the move back to 1st base serves his body.  If he's good for 5 more years, the amount of people that come through the gate will be worth the last 5 years and then some.  He is Michael Jordan.  Get over it. 

He's not, Jordan could play defense and run.

Snowman is right - Cabrerra cost his team huge in the ALCS last year.  Cabrerra is a top two hitter in the game, for sure, but the contract is ridiculous, and no LTDs really work out.   Less so for someone of his body type.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2014, 06:37:49 PM »
He is actually a very good 1st baseman.  He will be there tomorrow (opening day).  Contract is huge, but the amount of asses he puts in the seats for the next 5 or 6 years will more than pay for the back end of his contract if and when he starts to slow down.  He is a game changer.  A once in a generation type of player.  He will probably end up with 3500 hits and 600 home runs while never failing a drug test.  Yes, he is the Michael Jordan of baseball.  WAR doesn't matter.  Do a survey of his peers and they will overwhelmingly state that he is the best player in baseball.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2014, 07:56:53 PM »
He is actually a very good 1st baseman.  He will be there tomorrow (opening day).  Contract is huge, but the amount of asses he puts in the seats for the next 5 or 6 years will more than pay for the back end of his contract if and when he starts to slow down.  He is a game changer.  A once in a generation type of player.  He will probably end up with 3500 hits and 600 home runs while never failing a drug test.  Yes, he is the Michael Jordan of baseball.  WAR doesn't matter.  Do a survey of his peers and they will overwhelmingly state that he is the best player in baseball.

WAR doesn't matter?  Sorry, defense and baserunning DO matter.  ALCS last year was a fine example of that.

He's not once in a generation - Trout's doing the same thing despite being almost a decade younger and is far superior in the field and lightning fast.

Amazing player?   Yes.  Top 2 in MLB hitters?  Absolutely.  Overall best?  Nope.

Michael Jordan carried teams to championships.   So far, Cabrerra's been a big part of costing his team their best shot.
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2014, 08:27:57 PM »
WAR doesn't matter?  Sorry, defense and baserunning DO matter.  ALCS last year was a fine example of that.

He's not once in a generation - Trout's doing the same thing despite being almost a decade younger and is far superior in the field and lightning fast.

Amazing player?   Yes.  Top 2 in MLB hitters?  Absolutely.  Overall best?  Nope.

Michael Jordan carried teams to championships.   So far, Cabrerra's been a big part of costing his team their best shot.

There bullpen and defense cost them a championship.  Not to mention fat fuck Fielder being worthless at the plate, in the field and on the base paths.

Mike Trout is terrific.  No doubt.  May end up being an all time great.  Time will tell.  But right now, with the game on the line if you asked every pitcher in baseball who they would rather pitch to, overwhelmingly, they would say they'd rather face Trout than Cabrera.  To put that in basketball terms, if the game was on the line and you had one shot to win, who would you rather have shoot it?  Michael Jordan or Lebron or whoever you think is the 2nd best player in the game?  Miguel Cabrera = Best Player in the Game.  Period.  End of thread.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2014, 05:25:05 AM »
There bullpen and defense cost them a championship.  Not to mention fat fuck Fielder being worthless at the plate, in the field and on the base paths.

Mike Trout is terrific.  No doubt.  May end up being an all time great.  Time will tell.  But right now, with the game on the line if you asked every pitcher in baseball who they would rather pitch to, overwhelmingly, they would say they'd rather face Trout than Cabrera.  To put that in basketball terms, if the game was on the line and you had one shot to win, who would you rather have shoot it?  Michael Jordan or Lebron or whoever you think is the 2nd best player in the game?  Miguel Cabrera = Best Player in the Game.  Period.  End of thread.

Oh, I get your argument now:  If you ignore everything about being a ballplayer and completely isolate the game down to one rare, point in time occurance, and measure that against a hypothetical poll of a subset of major league players, Miguel Cabrerra becomes the equivalent of the best basketball player of all time.  Got it.

But, if you really need to compare Cabrerra to a basketball player for some reason, he's Steve Kerr - REALLY good at one aspect of the game, while being nothing special at the other parts.  Kerr actually has championships, though....
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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2014, 08:30:02 AM »
i'd take Trout for my MLB team (over Cabrera) every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2014, 06:19:34 AM »
He is actually a very good 1st baseman.  He will be there tomorrow (opening day).  Contract is huge, but the amount of asses he puts in the seats for the next 5 or 6 years will more than pay for the back end of his contract if and when he starts to slow down.  He is a game changer.  A once in a generation type of player.  He will probably end up with 3500 hits and 600 home runs while never failing a drug test.  Yes, he is the Michael Jordan of baseball.  WAR doesn't matter.  Do a survey of his peers and they will overwhelmingly state that he is the best player in baseball.

For what it's worth, if you really did survey MLB players, the majority would take Trout on their team over Cabrera. So would most MLB managers.

Heavy hitting first basemen or DH's abound in MLB. There's a trash heap of 30HR hitters at that position who will never make the HOF. Now, Cabrera is very special. He's great. But he's not the greatest player in the league right now.

Base running and defense still have an effect on whether a team wins a game or not. The stats are irrefutable. It's not just who walks the most...the stats have progressed since the days of Moneyball and we can track how defensive play on playable balls actually impacts runs scored.

Trout plays a harder position. He plays it better than most center fielders. He runs bases better than most ball players in the league. And he hits better than most ball players. He's elite on so many levels. Based on that alone, teammates will rally around a Trout instead of a Cabrera. Even if you negate the statistical impact of how he's changed how players will be drafted for the next 5 years (trust me, every GM is looking for the next Trout...not the next Cabrera), players appreciate a 5 tool guy. For good reason. Trout is the best 5 tool player in the league right now, and no one will argue that.

Best of all, he's young, healthy, and you can build a franchise around him. So if you're a GM, you have this young kid who's going to become an icon for your franchise. You can merchandise the hell out of it. You know he'll win you more games than any other player in the league can (which helps you keep your job, which you enjoy). Little boys everywhere will want to be the next Mike Trout. He's never done anything to embarass himself or the league.

He's the Sidney Crosby of baseball. A walking, talking, playing, money making machine for owners. And players want to be on teams that win, because that means playoff bonuses and media attraction that boosts their value. It also means you see more pitches, because no one is going to pitch to this kid.

He's the greatest thing that will ever happen to Pujols and his aging body. Pujols should buy the kid a steak dinner after every game. Every pitch he sees that isn't down and away this year is a result of people avoiding Trout to get to him, as crazy as that would have sounded 3 years ago.

The only man I would allow to hit in front of Trout is Barry Bonds.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2014, 06:24:27 AM »
For what it's worth, if you really did survey MLB players, the majority would take Trout on their team over Cabrera. So would most MLB managers.

Heavy hitting first basemen or DH's abound in MLB. There's a trash heap of 30HR hitters at that position who will never make the HOF. Now, Cabrera is very special. He's great. But he's not the greatest player in the league right now.

Base running and defense still have an effect on whether a team wins a game or not. The stats are irrefutable. It's not just who walks the most...the stats have progressed since the days of Moneyball and we can track how defensive play on playable balls actually impacts runs scored.

Trout plays a harder position. He plays it better than most center fielders. He runs bases better than most ball players in the league. And he hits better than most ball players. He's elite on so many levels. Based on that alone, teammates will rally around a Trout instead of a Cabrera. Even if you negate the statistical impact of how he's changed how players will be drafted for the next 5 years (trust me, every GM is looking for the next Trout...not the next Cabrera), players appreciate a 5 tool guy. For good reason. Trout is the best 5 tool player in the league right now, and no one will argue that.

Best of all, he's young, healthy, and you can build a franchise around him. So if you're a GM, you have this young kid who's going to become an icon for your franchise. You can merchandise the hell out of it. You know he'll win you more games than any other player in the league can (which helps you keep your job, which you enjoy). Little boys everywhere will want to be the next Mike Trout. He's never done anything to embarass himself or the league.

He's the Sidney Crosby of baseball. A walking, talking, playing, money making machine for owners. And players want to be on teams that win, because that means playoff bonuses and media attraction that boosts their value. It also means you see more pitches, because no one is going to pitch to this kid.

He's the greatest thing that will ever happen to Pujols and his aging body. Pujols should buy the kid a steak dinner after every game. Every pitch he sees that isn't down and away this year is a result of people avoiding Trout to get to him, as crazy as that would have sounded 3 years ago.

The only man I would allow to hit in front of Trout is Barry Bonds.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #73 on: April 01, 2014, 06:24:51 AM »
Guy was injured all year and still almost won the triple crown, again.

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Re: Miguel Cabrera Nearly Getbig Pay
« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2014, 07:25:58 AM »
The crazy thing about the Cabrera deal is that he had 2 years left on his old contract and Detroit didn't have to do anything right now. Why not wait and see if there is any decline on him over the next year/year and half and then take it from there? Crazy

They will make every penny worth by the time Cabrera collects his last dollar from that contract.




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