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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2014, 06:51:04 AM »

I know obama would LOVE to take our guns.

But there never was any legislation to fight.  There was a bunch of TALK to get everyone riled up, to bring in donations... but House Dems never intro'd a bill... there never was legislation to fight, right? 

When we look at the bottom line - We lived under the shitty Brady Bill for 3+ years under Bush (created by clinton), and Bush said he would have extended it if he could.    We have lived under any kind of Brady-like limitations for ZERO days under Obama.  As much as he WANTS to take our guns - there's no arguing this:  Americans suffered MORE gun restriction on hi-caps and "assault weapons" under Bush than under Obama.  It cannot be argued.  bush could have vetoed that shit on day one, but didn't.   Let it ride as long as he could.  Obama could have enacted some kind of bullshit exec order to give us something like the brady bill - but didn't.

Americans had MORE gun rights under Obama than Bush or CLinton.   Crazy, but true.

Of course there was no legislation to take any guns.  This is just a crying point they have to stick with in order to justify their whining.
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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2014, 07:17:59 AM »

Of course there was no legislation to take any guns.  This is just a crying point they have to stick with in order to justify their whining.

Talk about delusions - Obama tried remember and it failed
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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2014, 07:51:18 AM »

Of course there was no legislation to take any guns.  This is just a crying point they have to stick with in order to justify their whining.

Complete bullshit.

Your side is mocking conservatives saying 'you still have your guns' as if obama being anti-gun was all just lies.

Conservatives warned for years obama was extremely antigun and would work to enforce gun control any way he could. You libs laughed and mocked. And then what happened? Obama ended up doing EXACTLY WHAT CONSERVATIVES SAID HE WOULD DO.

Who was right and who was wrong here?? The conservatives who had warned about this were proven right, and the libs who laughed it off have egg all over their faces.

And anyone still  saying 'no one is trying to take away your guns' clearly does not know what is going on in connecticut, new york, or maryland over the past year and as we speak.
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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2014, 08:00:43 AM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-overseas-president-obama-projects-a-whole-lot-of-nothing/2014/04/23/6e0d829a-cb2a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html?hpid=z5


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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2014, 08:23:39 AM »

Talk about delusions - Obama tried remember and it failed

how did he "try"?

Did he talk about it?   Did he help senate house members write up legislation?  Did he issue a Brady bill kinda thing using exec order?

I think YOU are sticking to the "Obama tried to take our guns" speech - but you won't admit all he did was TALK about it.  

33, we suffered under the BRADY BILL for 3 years under Bush.  We haven't seen any kind of restrictions like that under obama, nor any legislation intro'd that would have done this.  Nothing.  

We all know certain states' leaders have signed gun bills - Ask Gov romney or Gov brewer... it's not a dem thing lol..

But Obama himself?  No.  He was ALL TALK on this issue.
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2014, 08:37:54 AM »

how did he "try"?

Did he talk about it?   Did he help senate house members write up legislation?  Did he issue a Brady bill kinda thing using exec order?

I think YOU are sticking to the "Obama tried to take our guns" speech - but you won't admit all he did was TALK about it.  

33, we suffered under the BRADY BILL for 3 years under Bush.  We haven't seen any kind of restrictions like that under obama, nor any legislation intro'd that would have done this.  Nothing.  

We all know certain states' leaders have signed gun bills - Ask Gov romney or Gov brewer... it's not a dem thing lol..

But Obama himself?  No.  He was ALL TALK on this issue.

Bullshit. He did and is doing everything he possibly can to hurt gun ownership in any way possible. They had shit drawn up just last year to ban entire classes of guns, ban standard magazine capacities, and impose the registration(so-called universal bg checks). They have plenty more that this on the books, just waiting for the right 'opportunity'...

The only reason they didnt introduce the full legislation is that it became apparent it would not pass congress, not because obama 'didnt want to'.
Obama has since said that he will 'go around congress any way he can' to chip away at gun rights, any way he possibly can. Nothing to do with actual crime prevention, or 'safety' as they like to say...no, their goal is to take away private gun owership, period. Everything they have advanced, including the executive orders he made, are meant to advance that goal alone, little by little. Virtually ALL of the big name gun control politicians have been on record at some point saying that their goal was the removal of guns from society and that 'if they could', they would enact full confiscation.

This isnt some crazy conspiracy theory crap, or right wing fear mongering...it is the truth, it is plain as day for anyone who has actually researched this stuff. These assholes literally do want to end gun ownership in america, that is a fact from their own mouths, and they will push towards this goal, one chip at a time, wherever they see the slightest opportunity.
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2014, 08:51:58 AM »

Bullshit. He did and is doing everything he possibly can to hurt gun ownership in any way possible. They had shit drawn up just last year to ban entire classes of guns, ban standard magazine capacities, and impose the registration(so-called universal bg checks). They have plenty more that this on the books, just waiting for the right 'opportunity'...

The only reason they didnt introduce the full legislation is that it became apparent it would not pass congress, not because obama 'didnt want to'.
Obama has since said that he will 'go around congress any way he can' to chip away at gun rights, any way he possibly can. Nothing to do with actual crime prevention, or 'safety' as they like to say...no, their goal is to take away private gun owership, period. Everything they have advanced, including the executive orders he made, are meant to advance that goal alone, little by little. Virtually ALL of the big name gun control politicians have been on record at some point saying that their goal was the removal of guns from society and that 'if they could', they would enact full confiscation.

This isnt some crazy conspiracy theory crap, or right wing fear mongering...it is the truth, it is plain as day for anyone who has actually researched this stuff. These assholes literally do want to end gun ownership in america, that is a fact from their own mouths, and they will push towards this goal, one chip at a time, wherever they see the slightest opportunity.


I understand and agree with the reasons why they didn't introduce any legislation.   They knew they'd lose.

And it's not CT stuff... I'm very aware obama WANTED to take some gun rights.  EVERY recent president has loved that - Clinton gave us brady bill, Bush wanted to keep it, no doubt obama loved it too.

But people should say "Obama TALKED about coming for our guns, and maybe had some thigns in the work, but NO legislation was intro'd under his watch, so he never gave us any legislative action on guns".

Cause that's the truth.  He DIDNT do everything he could - cause he COULD have just issued an exec order that lined right up with Brady Bill.  The only 2 actions he did - limit foreign used gun imports and limit silencers/full auto being given to corps so felons could buy full auto silenced guns - well, many agree with those two - we don't need full auto silenced chinese military surplus rifles in the hands of paroled murderers in the USA.

But in terms of real effect upon americans - we suffered under Brady bill for 3 years with bush.  We all paid $90 for a high-cap 15 round magazine, under Bush.  Not under obama. 
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2014, 09:34:51 AM »


But people should say "Obama TALKED about coming for our guns, and maybe had some thigns in the work, but NO legislation was intro'd under his watch, so he never gave us any legislative action on guns".

Cause that's the truth. 


You are seriously getting into delusional territory here...

No legislation was introduced under his watch??? Did you sleep through all of 2013??? His administration made the biggest push for gun control legislation in 20 years...they DID introduce legislation, it just failed to pass congress. What on earth are you talking about?

And Bush may not have been a pro-gun president, but he at least allowed the Clinton AWB to expire in 2004...you know, the same one Obama tried desperately to reinstate in 2013...and as tx gov he was friendly to getting cc laws passed in texas. Thats not something that would endear him to the Brady bunch. Obama, on the other hand, has told the Brady bunch 'i want you to know that we are working on it, behind the scenes, we have some things we are working on' probably in reference to the UN small arms treaty he wants to get passed.

Lastly, your assessments of the executive orders he passed are so ridiculously misinformed they could have come from the Brady campaign itself. I thought you were somewhat knowledgeable about firearms. 'Fully automatic chinese machine guns'?? Huh? Automatic weapons are already illegal and tightly controlled. All obama's EO did-under the guise of 'fighting crime' and 'safety' - was to stop the import of surplus foreign obsolete rifles, not 'fully automatic chinese machine guns with silencers that were to hit the streets' or some bullshit like that. What his EO mostly affects are vintage WW1 -WW2 era bolt action rifles which have been imported for decades and are sold to either collectors or recreational target shooters and hobbiests. How many 1903 springfields or surplus mausers have been used in crimes? I believe the number is literally zero. It has NOTHING to do with crime or safety. Obama labeled it sensationally as 'keeping weapons of war off our streets'..but in reality it was a direct jab at gun owners, and nothing more.
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2014, 09:40:24 AM »

i didn't know the dem congress intro'd any legislation.   what was the bill name/# HR that the dems introduced?
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2014, 09:57:22 AM »

i didn't know the dem congress intro'd any legislation.   what was the bill name/# HR that the dems introduced?

Were you in a friggin closet the last few years or something?
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2014, 09:59:45 AM »

Were you in a friggin closet the last few years or something?

Post a link to this supposed legislation.

Should be easy to do so. 
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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2014, 10:01:44 AM »

He must have skipped directly from 2012 to 2014. The Gun Control push in congress was probably the biggest news storyline the entire first half of 2013
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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2014, 10:02:43 AM »

He must have skipped directly from 2012 to 2014. The Gun Control push in congress was probably the biggest news storyline the entire first half of 2013

Then it should be easy to find a link to this action and legislation.
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« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2014, 10:06:03 AM »

Then it should be easy to find a link to this action and legislation.

Here you go scumbag

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/obama-gun-control-state-of-the-union_n_4684426.html


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« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2014, 10:06:41 AM »

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/obama-announces-gun-control-actions/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Another one you retarded twink 
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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2014, 10:07:25 AM »

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx


Libtards are so stupid. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2014, 10:09:48 AM »

Heres the first one to pop up. Haha what smartasses, trying to play this stupid game as if you werent already completely aware that this shit did take place...

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/2013/04/17/senate-to-vote-on-amendments-to-gun-bill-with-background-check-plan-in-doubt/
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« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2014, 10:11:27 AM »

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/preventing-gun-violence

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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2014, 10:22:34 AM »

Talking or actual legislation in those links?
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2014, 10:23:53 AM »

Heres the first one to pop up. Haha what smartasses, trying to play this stupid game as if you werent already completely aware that this shit did take place...

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/2013/04/17/senate-to-vote-on-amendments-to-gun-bill-with-background-check-plan-in-doubt/

Says Page Not Found.

 Roll Eyes

Now where are the actual legislation pieces?  Not talks, but actions?
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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2014, 10:24:03 AM »

Talking or actual legislation in those links?

I bumped the other thread - eat shit and read something instead of worshipping your failed messiah moron  
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« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2014, 10:24:49 AM »

Talk or actions?
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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2014, 10:25:40 AM »

what is the house resolution?  there wasn't one.
what is the senate resultion?  still in committee, hasn't arrived yet, and will fail upon arrival, strictly for show and fundraising.
what is obama's exec order on guns?  there wasn't one.

So that's the big Obama gun ban?
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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2014, 10:27:57 AM »

what is the house resolution?  there wasn't one.
what is the senate resultion?  still in committee, hasn't arrived yet, and will fail upon arrival, strictly for show and fundraising.
what is obama's exec order on guns?  there wasn't one.

So that's the big Obama gun ban?


HAHAHAHA.  Dude, really?  No matter how you spell it out and spoon feed it to them, they are still in La La Land and will only believe their delusions.
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« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2014, 10:38:55 AM »


HAHAHAHA.  Dude, really?  No matter how you spell it out and spoon feed it to them, they are still in La La Land and will only believe their delusions.

the entire obama gun band turned out to be zero white house action, zero house action, and now they're "talking about" a Dem Senate bill that limped out of committee that they're already conceding will lose badly if they even choose to launch it just to make their point. 

Look, obama sucks on all kinds of levels, but even after sandy hook, even after the giffords shooting... he hasn't given us anything brady bill like... even though bush (who COULD have killed the brady bill on day one), decided to let us suffer under brady bill until it sunsetted, and then he wanted to keep it, but knew repubs woudln't let him have it.

When 2016 arrives, people will have to admit - we had more gun rights under obama than under bush.  Weird.
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