As I said all along...Clive Bundy is a piece of shit

[24KT]

No, it is our duty to follow constitutional laws, not any law the .gov decides to put on the books.


How do they get money to pay for anything? It's collected in taxes, I see it every 2 weeks when they rape my paycheck, or fill the truck up with gas ( although you don't actually see how much tax you pay on a gallon of gas, wonder why that is?)

Show me in the constitution where the BLM is and it's right to level fee's how ever they see fit and I will concede the argument to you.

Uh, No! It is the Govt's duty to follow the Constitution. The Constitution is a directive for the gov't not the people. It is YOUR duty to ensure that they do.

[24KT]

Sooo you say it's our duty to follow archaic laws drawn up in the 1700's, but not to follow modern laws?  Modern laws were drawn up to reflect our ever changing society.

Which makes this situation the perfect example. Bundy's shit would have flown in the 1800's, but this is not the wild west anymore.

The U.S. government owns all land that is not bought by an individual. It is as simple as that.

This Bundy guy thinks he is Wyatt Earp.

Those "archaic" laws were drawn up to restrict the government, then, now, and into the future.
The modern laws were drawn up, NOT to reflect your changing society, ...but rather in fact 'to change your society'.

[24KT]

LOL, what the fuck country do you live in?

ROTFLMAO!!! And here I thought this "Common Core" was a recent thing. Looks like Shizzo is the product of a common core public school education.  Wow!!! I'm Black, not even American, ...but even I can see that as distasteful as Bundy may be as an individual, the issue still remains about the land, and the BLM's claims to jurisdiction & clear title.

[blacken700]

 

[Kazan]

how about the fifth amendment

What about it?

[Kazan]

We can also look at the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

No idea where you are going with this

[Straw Man]

What about it?

you asked  "show me in the Constitution of the United States where the federal government has the ability to claim land".

[Straw Man]

No idea where you are going with this

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Treaty+of+Guadalupe+Hidalgo

[Archer77]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Treaty+of+Guadalupe+Hidalgo

Serious question.   How can you condemn this man for his comments while saying barely a word about MSNBC allowing a man like Al Sharpton to have a television program?  What's worse, some uneducated old man rambling or giving a bigot, charlatan and someone who had a hand in inciting murder a platform to spew his stupidity?  Where is the moral and ethical consistency? 

[Straw Man]

Serious question.   How can you condemn this man for his comments while saying barely a word about MSNBC allowing a man like Al Sharpton to have a television program?  What's worse, some uneducated old man rambling or giving a bigot, charlatan and someone who had a hand in inciting murder a platform to spew his stupidity?  Where is the moral and ethical consistency? 

I've never understood people who try to make that kind of false argument

Is there some kind of racist offset program in this country where we each racist statement on the left creates an offset for a racist statement from right?

How about they are both fucking idiots

Oh wait, I forget, the Supreme Court has recently determined that racism no longer exists in America

[Archer77]

I've never understood people who try to make that kind of false argument

Is there some kind of racist offset program in this country where we each racist statement on the left creates an offset for a racist statement from right?

How about they are both fucking idiots

Oh wait, I forget, the Supreme Court has recently determined that racism no longer exists in America

What kind of argument?  That wrong is wrong?   That making a major news story out of Sterling and Bundy but giving others a pass is not morally consistent and is wrong?  Do you still watch Sharptons program or any other program on MSNBC?  Dont you feel the least bit hypocritical?   You're a very myopic thinket.

[240 is Back]

The only defense of Bundy is "the person criticizing him didn't criticize sharpton, therefore his argument is invalid"?

[Archer77]

The only defense of Bundy is "the person criticizing him didn't criticize sharpton, therefore his argument is invalid"?

Youre falsely assuming I'm defending bundy which I'm not and never have. It does not follow that I agree with one person because I criticize his detractors.   Sorry but thats just ignorant.   I just want an insight into how people think about things and be willfully bias.

[Straw Man]

What kind of argument?  That wrong is wrong?   That making a major news story out of Sterling and Bundy but giving others a pass is not morally consistent and is wrong?  Do you still watch Sharptons program or any other program on MSNBC?  Dont you feel the least bit hypocritical?   You're a very myopic thinket.

What does Bundy have to do with Sharpton?

[Archer77]

What does Bundy have to do with Sharpton?

Im asking you as a person why you seem to be so outraged by one example of ignorance but not another?  Do you watch Sharpton or MSNBC?   

[Straw Man]

Im asking you as a person why you seem to be so outraged by one example of ignorance but not another?  Do you watch Sharpton or MSNBC?   

I'm asking you why you are even bringing up Sharton

He has nothing to do with Bundy

And to answer your question I have never defended Sharpton, I don't watch his show, I think he is a buffoon and I barely watch MSNBC.
The only show I ever watch (and it's maybe once a week) is O'Donnell.  I stopped watching that station after they fired Olberman

Again, I don't understand the premise of bringing up an idiot on the left as if it somehow creates an offsetting credit for an idiot on the right

Finally (because I'm leaving for the morning and don't have time for a dialogue), I don't think you'll find "outrage" from me about Bundy and I'm aware that you're not defending him (I've read your posts)

I think Bundy is just another idiot (for example, claims not to "recognize" the government yet no doubt is glad to exchange goods and services for the legal tender of the country he doesn't think exists")

If I have an issue with anyone in this saga it's the idiots running around with guns, acting aggressively, clearly trying to incite violence, using women as shields, etc....

Those are the people who I find to be outrageous

[Archer77]

I'm asking you why you are even bringing up Sharton

He has nothing to do with Bundy

And to answer your question I have never defended Sharpton, I don't watch his show, I think he is a buffoon and I barely watch MSNBC.
The only show I ever watch (and it's maybe once a week) is O'Donnell.  I stopped watching that station after they fired Olberman

Again, I don't understand the premise of bringing up an idiot on the left as if it somehow creates an offsetting credit for an idiot on the right

Finally (because I'm leaving for the morning and don't have time for a dialogue), I don't think you'll find "outrage" from me about Bundy and I'm aware that you're not defending him (I've read your posts)

I think Bundy is just another idiot (for example, claims not to "recognize" the government yet no doubt is glad to exchange goods and services for the legal tender of the country he doesn't think exists")

If I have an issue with anyone in this saga it's the idiots running around with guns, acting aggressively, clearly trying to incite violence, using women as shields, etc....

Those are the people who I find to be outrageous

Im curious about how people like yourself prioritize whats wrong.  And how you can feel comfortable watching Sharpton comment on Bundys racism without feeling the least guilty or hypocritical. I wonder how you can watch MSNBC comment on bundy and sterling knowing they employ sharpton and have jackson as a regular guest.  I dont understand the disconnect. 

[Kazan]

you asked  "show me in the Constitution of the United States where the federal government has the ability to claim land".

Eminent Domain? What exactly is the land be used for that would warrant that?

[Kazan]

The only defense of Bundy is "the person criticizing him didn't criticize sharpton, therefore his argument is invalid"?

LOL, coming from the king of quantify.

[Kazan]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Treaty+of+Guadalupe+Hidalgo

OK so the territory was "won" in a conflict, then it became a state, at that point Nevada is subject to the constitution. There is the question of the constitutionality of Manifest Destiny.

[240 is Back]

LOL, coming from the king of quantify.

correct.  I do it, so I can quickly recognize it.

[240 is Back]

New BLM chief plans to make Bundy 'accountable'

LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3.com) -- The head of the Bureau of Land Management says federal agents will make sure Cliven Bundy and his supporters are held accountable.

Neil Kornze said that Monday during an interview on National Public Radio.

Kornze says Bundy is the only rancher out of 16,000 with grazing permits not paying any fees ...

http://www.mynews3.com/mostpopular/story/Bureau-of-Land-Management-Kornze-Bundy-cattle/RDVnM74tLU2OUrPYI9-WZw.cspx

[240 is Back]

sickening.

Two of his ranch protesters in the news....
executing two cops... then leaving "don't tread on me" flag and swastika at the scene?   Then wasting a permit holder at Walmart?

They're about the WORST thing the right-wing conservative movement could imagine.  Heck, the conspiracy theorist could argue these 2 were sent by dems to do exactly what they did - portray the Cliven Bundy group as a bunch of murderous a-holes, and make gun permits look bad at the same time!!  Doubly shitty!

Granted, I'm no fan of the Bundy protesters - they blocked traffic and stopped people and DEMANDED THEIR PAPERS.  They absolutely violated the Consitution they claimed they loved so much - bending it only when it helped them.   They put WOMEN on the protest FRONT LINES and dared police to beat them - and they admitted it - because they wanted more national coverage, and thought bloodied women would sell better.

[flipper5470]

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/bundys-son-cop-killers-kicked-off-ranch

[240 is Back]

haha excellent!  They were too extreme for them.  Not that they weren't pricks - stopping americans and demanding to see their "papers" is as anti-Constitution as it gets.  But it's good to see they were removed.