Fighting Deca dick

[a_ahmed]

I love deca... and I wana start using it again... but i don't like deca dick? What are your solutions?

Viagra and Cialis help but .. for whatever reason they both reduce my endurance (increase pumps though) and make my eyes bloodshot... Unable to breath = unable to perform in gym.

[ESFitness]

proviron is the solution.... and a couple doses of prami per week.

never had deca dick though... tren, however, is a different story.

and small dose of Cialis every other day.. maybe 5-10mg in the morning, and maybe 25mg Viagra before you need it.

[phreak]

What is it with deca dick? I can't imagine my dick not working. I see so many topics (not necessarily here) about 25-y.o. kids needing cialis + viagra + tribulus + [that stuff that reduces the refractory period] just because their girlfriend is coming over for the weekend. All on top of using a moderate to heavy cycle. What happened to just whipping your dick out and fucking her? Do AAS in large doses perhaps have a significant negative impact on this, long-term?

And FYI: I'm 40 and have never been limp yet. You see kids taking everything under the sun just to be able to come twice an hour, while I can do that easily several times per day. Even at 40 blowing a load thrice per hour is doable (though admittedly a bit of a struggle these days).

So what is up with this?

[falco]

Inject the cc's into the penis corpus cavernosa directely. The lumps and possible cysts will give you 24 hours rock hard erection.

[oni]

It's not really deca dick it's "I failed to control E2 and like to play guessing games with my bloodwork" dick

[youandme]

What is it with deca dick? I can't imagine my dick not working. I see so many topics (not necessarily here) about 25-y.o. kids needing cialis + viagra + tribulus + [that stuff that reduces the refractory period] just because their girlfriend is coming over for the weekend. All on top of using a moderate to heavy cycle. What happened to just whipping your dick out and fucking her? Do AAS in large doses perhaps have a significant negative impact on this, long-term?

And FYI: I'm 40 and have never been limp yet. You see kids taking everything under the sun just to be able to come twice an hour, while I can do that easily several times per day. Even at 40 blowing a load thrice per hour is doable (though admittedly a bit of a struggle these days).

So what is up with this?

Progesterone is the answer. I'm also sensitive to Deca and Tren progesterone related side effects.

If I take either I always take -
B6 - 100 to 150 mgs daily
Bromocriptine - 1mg EOD or every 3rd day
Proviron - 50 to 75 mgs daily and I'll bump it up for when I know
Sometimes I'll throw in an OTC test booster with Tribulus, etc.

Like ES said proviron. It seems to be the key to whole cocktail and you actually feel your libidio. And if I take larger doses of tren I'll ramp up the dosage of masteron which seems to help a good bit.

[Jizmo]

key is controlling estrogen. you dont need a prolactin inhibitor (other than for gyno prevention) if you keep estrogen low.
ive ran tren for a year straight (probably 6 months without caber just controlling estrogen) and never got deca dick, now ive been on NPP for a couple months and have never taken caber or prami with it, just aromasin.
i do feel like a prolactin inhibitor might be needed for gyno (when i go >500mg tren i need it), but limp dick? never...

[a_ahmed]

I do use stuff to fight prolactin and of course have AIs in the mix... however it's JUST deca that does this. I actually get insanely horny/high libido off of tren. Raging sex drive. But deca.. nope... makes me soft and that blows, but the gains are great!

[mazrim]

I do use stuff to fight prolactin and of course have AIs in the mix... however it's JUST deca that does this. I actually get insanely horny/high libido off of tren. Raging sex drive. But deca.. nope... makes me soft and that blows, but the gains are great!

I don't/haven't run test in ages and just started to run a low dose of it again, but the only compound that caused me issues in that regard was deca. Tren/masteron (usual cycle) have always been fine but added in deca this past winter for an extended period and was good for awhile but eventually went down the tubes even with proviron and masteron (dht derivatives which generally do the trick). Masteron helped a bit but had to run it at a very high dose. Even after dropping the deca out a bit back and going back to tren/masteron I was unable to get it back so now added test in at a very, very low dose.

For most people the proviron and masteron should help quite a bit though.

[Jizmo]

why havent you run test in ages? i remember your physique from bb.com, you looked incredible...
but i think test is great for gaining mass, why did you try deca over test? sure test does blur your lines a bit, but theres no better mass builder than test (in combination with npp or tren and an oral of course). plus its cheap as chips, best bang for the buck.

or do you just stay roughly the same size and try to add a few pounds while keeping that ripped dry look you get from tren with no test?

[Core]

lot of guys like to run their test higher than the deca

say you wanna run 600mg deca, you'd want like 800mg of test with it. or as esfitness suggests proviron is another solid option.

[OTHstrong]

The rules have always been 3 to 2 ratio between test and deca or even 2 to 1 ratio.

Now there is a new approach that has become popular that suggests to keep test at low levels as a base and go higher with other compounds, since then all I hear is complaints.

Old school routes still have there integrity, I mean how can someone get ''deca dick'' when they are taking 600mg of deca with  1200mg of test 

[oni]

The rules have always been 3 to 2 ratio between test and deca or even 2 to 1 ratio.

Now there is a new approach that has become popular that suggests to keep test at low levels as a base and go higher with other compounds, since then all I hear is complaints.

Old school routes still have there integrity, I mean how can someone get ''deca dick'' when they are taking 600mg of deca with  1200mg of test 

I've never really seen anyone worth a shit recommend low test high anabolics unless they were already the size they wanted to be and wanted conditioning over growth
If you want size, up the test. If you're getting deca dick, lower the deca. I don't see why it needs to be more complicated than this

[Jizmo]

unless they were already the size they wanted to be and wanted conditioning over growth

this this this so much

most people running low test high anabolics are just going after the look.
they dont put on size for shit.

[GettingBig]

The rules have always been 3 to 2 ratio between test and deca or even 2 to 1 ratio.

Now there is a new approach that has become popular that suggests to keep test at low levels as a base and go higher with other compounds, since then all I hear is complaints.

Old school routes still have there integrity, I mean how can someone get ''deca dick'' when they are taking 600mg of deca with  1200mg of test 

This +1

[OTHstrong]

I've never really seen anyone worth a shit recommend low test high anabolics unless they were already the size they wanted to be and wanted conditioning over growth
If you want size, up the test. If you're getting deca dick, lower the deca. I don't see why it needs to be more complicated than this

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[a_ahmed]

imo.. for me personally tren does not build size... alongside masteron its great for strength, appearance and qualifying the muscle you have. Also for some reason tren makes me libido and performance in bed rage like haha... I understand it kills libido for some but does the very opposite for me which I enjoy.

Deca works fantastic for all out size (and strength) for me. It takes time.. but it builds thick dense muscle.. also makes muscles very full/pumped which is great... while tren/mast give vascularity.. so does eq... deca for me makes my veins very piped/thick. Every time I was on deca it was new PRs that I set and new mass that I put on.. and my lifts all were super smooth while no BP issues which is great (squats, deads)

Test is meh.. it tends to make me michelin man even with AIs... however some test prop every day or even every other day is great... it gives me insane libido like i'm a teenager.

Tren gives me raging libido... test increases the libido. Masteron increases it too.

I love deca.. but.. while I have libido.. it tends to make me 'softer'... which is uncool... I am keeping estrogen and prolactin under control so far... hopefully it stays that way.. second week on deca 500mg...

[Core]

imo.. for me personally tren does not build size... alongside masteron its great for strength, appearance and qualifying the muscle you have. Also for some reason tren makes me libido and performance in bed rage like haha... I understand it kills libido for some but does the very opposite for me which I enjoy.

Deca works fantastic for all out size (and strength) for me. It takes time.. but it builds thick dense muscle.. also makes muscles very full/pumped which is great... while tren/mast give vascularity.. so does eq... deca for me makes my veins very piped/thick. Every time I was on deca it was new PRs that I set and new mass that I put on.. and my lifts all were super smooth while no BP issues which is great (squats, deads)

Test is meh.. it tends to make me michelin man even with AIs... however some test prop every day or even every other day is great... it gives me insane libido like i'm a teenager.

Tren gives me raging libido... test increases the libido. Masteron increases it too.

I love deca.. but.. while I have libido.. it tends to make me 'softer'... which is uncool... I am keeping estrogen and prolactin under control so far... hopefully it stays that way.. second week on deca 500mg...

If you can't grow on tren, up your carbs; the stuff flattens you out a fair bit. I'm growing nicely on 700/700 tren and mast and some good clean carbs in every meal. Also been pinning some test suspension pre workout- if you haven't tried it before, I highly recommend. Its a whole nother beast compared to test e or even prop.

I freakin hated the look I had on deca while I ran it. I much prefer NPP, have you given that a shot? Really fills you out in just one week of use, and packs on some thick muscle if used for a good while just like deca, but without a lot of the water retention you get on deca. The joint relief isn't quite as good though. And I'm sure deca is more 'efficient' over long period of time. I just love my short ester's though. I'm going to loath not pinning ED when I cruise in a couple months..

[ESFitness]

The rules have always been 3 to 2 ratio between test and deca or even 2 to 1 ratio.

Now there is a new approach that has become popular that suggests to keep test at low levels as a base and go higher with other compounds, since then all I hear is complaints.

Old school routes still have there integrity, I mean how can someone get ''deca dick'' when they are taking 600mg of deca with  1200mg of test 

I'm trying that at the moment. BLP said he made that switch and his made great improvements going from 3+g test down to.. well, fuck I forget, maybe less than a gram of test.

I've dropped my test down to about 900-1200 and tren e at about 600 last week, and today I did 1600 test with 800 tren and 400 deca (just threw the deca in there for my elbows) and will do another 200-300 tren e in a few days and see how it goes..... as of right now, my sex drive has taken a big hit since last Thursday/Friday. can't tell if it's the low test or the painkillers I got for my neck on Friday. (also gotta new little kitten so I may be a lil distracted too .. I dunno).... either way, I'm harder and tighter, physique-wise.