Are All Calories Equal? - The Calorie Myth w/ Jonathan Bailor

[Damios]

I don't know how to make this any clearer.

for WEIGHT LOSS, IF you are in a calorie deficit, and IF you are taking in enough protein to maintain or create more tissue then it DOES NOT MATTER where the bulk of the remaining cals come from.

any cals consumed in the deficut will go towards being used for fuel. cals do not get stored in a deficit. they get used for fuel. insulin response and all that other bullshit doesn't matter in a deficit.

why do people need to make this so complicated? this isn't rocket science altho all the studies would have you think so.

that being said a whole other topic that is related but has nothing to do with weight loss is are there calories that are better for you then others esp for performance?

yes. I believe there are. I believe some calories burn better and provide better energy. I think grains are a useless calorie that the body can't absorb or utilise properly due to the bastardizaton of the seed. that's why you are seeing so many people w celiac, gluten intotlerance and IBS. I have come to learn thanks to someone who knows a great deal abt nutrition that low gi fruits like strawberry blueberry ripe banana burn better and are more efficient forms of fuel. for me, I feel they just burn cleaner. I don't know how to explain that but after 20 years of listening and paying attention to my body I'm very aware of everybody little chance and I find low gi fruits and 2 LB of green veg a day really making a substantial improvement not just in my energy levels but my physique as well.

I'm looking fwd to this thread. usually when ideas get kicked around like this there's always something to be learned.

So why diets like high carbs/low fat are hating day in day out even when it is still calories deficit?

[Damios]

So for example:

1) 300g Proteins / 300g Carbs / 40g Fats = ~2760cals
2) 300g Proteins / 50g Carbs / 150g Fats = ~2760cals

1st = bullshit diet for 90% people here, impossible to cut and be shredded
2nd = awesome diet for 90% people here, you will be lean as fuck

So... if deficit is deficit what is fking difference?

[Simple Simon]

So for example:

1) 300g Proteins / 300g Carbs / 40g Fats = ~2760cals
2) 300g Proteins / 50g Carbs / 150g Fats = ~2760cals

1st = bullshit diet for 90% people here, impossible to cut and be shredded
2nd = awesome diet for 90% people here, you will be lean as fuck

So... if deficit is deficit what is fking difference?

Too many calories TBH.

[Complex Carbs]

So for example:

1) 300g Proteins / 300g Carbs / 40g Fats = ~2760cals
2) 300g Proteins / 50g Carbs / 150g Fats = ~2760cals

1st = bullshit diet for 90% people here, impossible to cut and be shredded
2nd = awesome diet for 90% people here, you will be lean as fuck

So... if deficit is deficit what is fking difference?

The difference is way over your head, mate.

First off, that will be too many calories to get in shape.

Second, weight loss often is not equal to fat loss.

You, eat too much for what you are and take too much gear for what you are.

You will never look good if you keep lying to yourself.

[Van_Bilderass]

I saw on FB (I "follow" Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald) and saw something about the vid
being pulled because it was full of shit. I didn't care enough to watch it but if Alan and Lyle say it's shit it's pretty safe to say it's shit.

[Straw Man]

So for example:

1) 300g Proteins / 300g Carbs / 40g Fats = ~2760cals
2) 300g Proteins / 50g Carbs / 150g Fats = ~2760cals

1st = bullshit diet for 90% people here, impossible to cut and be shredded
2nd = awesome diet for 90% people here, you will be lean as fuck

So... if deficit is deficit what is fking difference?

too much protein in option diet # 2 (both actually but especially so in # 2 because it negates the benefit of lower carbs) but decent point overall
I won't even bother with pasting the text of the articles because most won't bother to read it anyway

http://www.dietdoctor.com/calorie-calorie-even-close

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22735432

[Damios]

Too many calories TBH.

The difference is way over your head, mate.

First off, that will be too many calories to get in shape.

Second, weight loss often is not equal to fat loss.

You, eat too much for what you are and take too much gear for what you are.

You will never look good if you keep lying to yourself.

Cals were only "example", and nothing about me. I mean difference between High Carb/Low Fat Diet and Low Carb/High Fat Diet with this same amount of calories. It can be 1800 cals, 2300 cals, 2800 cals, never mind.

[BigRo]

just fucking eat exercise and enjoy life!

[BigCyp]

Here we go again, comparing apples and oranges.

Kcals = Kilojoules = Body Fuel.

Wax, Petrol, Diesel, = Fuel for a fire

Wax, Petrol, Diesel all burn into a flame in a different way, and give off slightly different fumes.

Same with Kcals/Body Fuel - Bottle of maple syrup will burn in a different way, than a plate of brown rice.

[pedro01]

Here we go again, comparing apples and oranges.

Well, it was more apples and cakes, really...

[Complex Carbs]

Cals were only "example", and nothing about me. I mean difference between High Carb/Low Fat Diet and Low Carb/High Fat Diet with this same amount of calories. It can be 1800 cals, 2300 cals, 2800 cals, never mind.

Nothing to do with you?

Coincidentally, it's the same amount of calories you are using on your "cutting" diet.

The difference is long term, you look bad because you have eaten bad consistently for too much time.

The difference is not "more carbs or more fats".

[Complex Carbs]

I saw on FB (I "follow" Alan Aragon and Lyle McDonald) and saw something about the vid
being pulled because it was full of shit. I didn't care enough to watch it but if Alan and Lyle say it's shit it's pretty safe to say it's shit.

Go on, name some claims from Lyle which have been proven wrong.

[SF1900]

What did Friedrich Nietzsche say to the calorie?






Not all calories are created equal.







ZIIIING!!