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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #175 on: December 04, 2014, 01:46:21 AM »
(Choke holds aren't illegal, they are unauthrorized by the department if I am not mistaken)


What distinction are you making between "illegal" and "unauthorized"? The chokehold is a banned move for NYPD and in a subsequent post you describe it as such. "Banned" is a synonym for "illegal". The chokehold is explicitly banned by the NYPD. What is the distinction you are making?

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #176 on: December 04, 2014, 08:06:52 AM »
What distinction are you making between "illegal" and "unauthorized"? The chokehold is a banned move for NYPD and in a subsequent post you describe it as such. "Banned" is a synonym for "illegal". The chokehold is explicitly banned by the NYPD. What is the distinction you are making?

Illegal is against a law. There are legal penalties for it. Shoplifting is illegal. Unauthorized is against a policy, not punishible by criminal statute. It is not illegal to smoke a cigarette. It is unauthrozed to smoke a cigarette in a police vehicle.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #177 on: December 04, 2014, 08:21:16 AM »
No one should end up dead over selling cigs like this.   Cops here are acting as tax collectors not peace officers

I don't think he ended up dead for selling cigarettes.  Cops here were enforcing a law put on the books by your representatives.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #178 on: December 04, 2014, 10:58:23 AM »
11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You
Thursday, 04 Dec 2014
By Jim Meyers

Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:

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1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

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6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/#ixzz3KxNEtwh9

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #179 on: December 04, 2014, 11:03:40 AM »
11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You
Thursday, 04 Dec 2014
By Jim Meyers

Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:

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1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

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6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/#ixzz3KxNEtwh9

Good stuff. I would say that his past record is irrelevant for the most part. The biggest scumbag in the world should expect to be treated in a fair and reasonable manner by the police. I think in this case, the Grand Jury got it right

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #180 on: December 04, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »
Good stuff. I would say that his past record is irrelevant for the most part. The biggest scumbag in the world should expect to be treated in a fair and reasonable manner by the police. I think in this case, the Grand Jury got it right

I think a person's criminal background is relevant to the overall story.  Maybe not a "legal" issue, but there is always a narrative pushed by one side or the other about the alleged victims and perpetrators.  To me, it's important to know this guy has an extensive criminal history, just like I'd like to know if the cop has a history of using excessive force or any other misconduct. 

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #181 on: December 04, 2014, 11:22:32 AM »
11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You
Thursday, 04 Dec 2014
By Jim Meyers

Sources in the mainstream media expressed outrage after a grand jury declined to indict a New York City policeman in the death of Eric Garner, but there are 11 significant facts that many of them have chosen to overlook:

Special: Al Gore Attacks Scientist for Exposing Global Warming Lie

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

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6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/#ixzz3KxNEtwh9

What impact does no. 11 have on the case? Does it make the video any less legit? This is just usual cop/union/thug tactics.

Similarly for no. 3, if they include such details for Garner to try and portray him as a career criminal and discredit his case, they should include them for the cops too: how many investigations or complaints against them, have they been disciplined, how many shootings they were involved in etc.

No. 4 is an important point as the police would probably have no option but to arrest him and most likely he knew he would go to jail.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #182 on: December 04, 2014, 12:08:19 PM »
http://gothamist.com/2014/07/22/chokehold_what_chokehold.php

Cop initially failed to include any kind of chokehold, submission hold in the initial report?

and there was a 7 minute window before anyone tried CPR?   LOL unreal.  Paramedics were suspended.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #183 on: December 04, 2014, 01:11:18 PM »
the issue is there is a criminal justice system that this cigarette peddler want afforded.

hes a criminal. He goes through the legal system and that should be how it goes.

Grand Jury was wrong in this case

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #184 on: December 04, 2014, 01:37:29 PM »
the issue is there is a criminal justice system that this cigarette peddler want afforded.

hes a criminal. He goes through the legal system and that should be how it goes.

Grand Jury was wrong in this case

did anyone ever find out if he ACTUALLY had cigarettes on him?  Didn't I also read somewhere that it was Garner who contacted the police due to a fight going on?

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #185 on: December 19, 2014, 09:28:23 AM »
He needs to stop talking about this. 

Obama applauds LeBron's 'I Can't Breathe' shirt
By Alexandra Jaffe, CNN
Fri December 19, 2014

LeBron James the Cleveland Cavaliers wears an "I Can't Breathe" shirt during warmups before his game against the Brooklyn Nets on December 8 in New York City.

(CNN) -- President Barack Obama praised basketball star LeBron James for wearing an "I Can't Breathe" protest shirt during his pre-game warmup last week.

"You know, I think LeBron did the right thing," Obama told People magazine in their issue out Friday. "We forget the role that Muhammad Ali, Arthur Ashe and Bill Russell played in raising consciousness."

The Cleveland Cavaliers player wore the shirt, which shows support for Eric Garner, the unarmed African American man who died after a white police officer put him in a chokehold, before the Cavaliers played the Brooklyn Nets on Dec. 8.

Other athletes in both major league and college sports have worn the shirts, and others protesting the recent deaths of African Americans at the hands of white police officers, during warmups in recent weeks, prompting controversy and some criticism from police.

But Obama encouraged other athletes to speak out on issues important to them.

"We went through a long stretch there where [with] well-paid athletes the notion was: just be quiet and get your endorsements and don't make waves," Obama said. "LeBron is an example of a young man who has, in his own way and in a respectful way, tried to say, 'I'm part of this society, too' and focus attention.

"I'd like to see more athletes do that," he added. "Not just around this issue, but around a range of issues."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/19/politics/obama-lebron-shirt/index.html?hpt=po_c2

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #186 on: December 19, 2014, 12:40:13 PM »
He needs to stop talking about this. 

Obama applauds LeBron's 'I Can't Breathe' shirt

Agreed.  Obama should take the time to thank republicans in the House for neutering the new Repub-led Senate by giving away their booty with the 1.1 trillion spending bill.  Very rude of obama not to publicly praise boehnner for making cruz ineffective.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #187 on: December 19, 2014, 02:50:09 PM »

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #188 on: December 19, 2014, 02:58:42 PM »
the issue is there is a criminal justice system that this cigarette peddler want afforded.

hes a criminal. He goes through the legal system and that should be how it goes.

Grand Jury was wrong in this case
actually he was very much afforded the legal system. He decided to resist arrest, REMEMBER!!!

you act like the cops just walked up and started beating this guy...

the time to take up your issues with the police is not when they are trying to arrest you!

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #189 on: December 19, 2014, 03:01:22 PM »
did anyone ever find out if he ACTUALLY had cigarettes on him? 
once again this is irrelevant...

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #190 on: December 19, 2014, 03:05:26 PM »
actually he was very much afforded the legal system. He decided to resist arrest, REMEMBER!!!

you act like the cops just walked up and started beating this guy...

the time to take up your issues with the police is not when they are trying to arrest you!

That's right. Otherwise all bets are off and you will get choked to death.

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« Reply #191 on: December 19, 2014, 03:15:36 PM »
That's right. Otherwise all bets are off and you will get choked to death.
do you expect that the cops will get physical when you resist arrest?

you guys act like this guy was an upstanding member of the community just minding his business when the polic ran up on him and killed him.

If he hadnt have used a choke hold and the guy still died would that make it ok?

If you watch the video he was still talking after the choke hold was released so its more reasonable to believe the reason he couldnt breath was a result of the weight from the officers on top of him.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #192 on: December 19, 2014, 03:22:52 PM »
do you expect that the cops will get physical when you resist arrest?

you guys act like this guy was an upstanding member of the community just minding his business when the polic ran up on him and killed him.
Yeah, that's what we're acting like. You're right. He deserved to die.


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If he hadnt have used a choke hold and the guy still died would that make it ok?
That is a big part of the problem!


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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #193 on: December 19, 2014, 03:28:02 PM »
Yeah, that's what we're acting like. You're right. He deserved to die.

That is a big part of the problem!


yea b/c you saying...

That's right. Otherwise all bets are off and you will get choked to death.

isnt the same fucking thing you moron, where did I say all bets are off and you will get choked to death?

now answer the questions you fucktard

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #194 on: December 19, 2014, 04:55:53 PM »
I heard it wasn't a chokehold?  There is apparently a distinct difference between a chokehold and what was done to this guy.  If it was a chokehold, he wouldn't have been able to talk, because his wind pipe would have been constricted?  Or at least that's what I heard. 

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #195 on: December 19, 2014, 06:27:41 PM »
I heard it wasn't a chokehold?  There is apparently a distinct difference between a chokehold and what was done to this guy.  If it was a chokehold, he wouldn't have been able to talk, because his wind pipe would have been constricted?  Or at least that's what I heard. 
he was defintely in a chokehold but he wasnt choking as he could talk. If you are able to talk then you are able to breath.

There are different types of chokeholds too, some restrict your airway and some your blood flow.


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« Reply #196 on: December 19, 2014, 09:43:05 PM »
yea b/c you saying...

isnt the same fucking thing you moron, where did I say all bets are off and you will get choked to death?

now answer the questions you fucktard

Fuck you, Retardo. You've been saying that for this entire thread. This is from page 5:

If you think that cops might abuse their authority even if you comply then ONLY A FUCKING IDIOT would think its reasonable to assume that if you dont comply they will act within the law...

what part of that do you not underfuckingstand moron?

So basically you feel this guy thought he could act up and resist arrest and only get physically reprimanded to a certain point which he felt was acceptable.

::) like I said earlier, youre a fucking idiot and so was he if thats we he believed

You went on for pages in at least 2 different threads saying the same bullshit.

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #197 on: December 20, 2014, 07:33:48 AM »
Fuck you, Retardo. You've been saying that for this entire thread. This is from page 5:

You went on for pages in at least 2 different threads saying the same bullshit.
LMFAO thats not the same as saying he deserved to die you fucknut, or that if you resist arrest you deserve to die.

do you expect the cops to get physical if you resist arrest?

its obvious you wont answer b/c it destroys your idiotic argument

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« Reply #198 on: December 20, 2014, 07:55:30 AM »
and if im not mistaken, agnostic has informed us that a chokehold is not against the law...

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Re: 5 NYPD cops choke unarmed man to death
« Reply #199 on: December 20, 2014, 10:14:31 AM »
LMFAO thats not the same as saying he deserved to die you fucknut, or that if you resist arrest you deserve to die.

do you expect the cops to get physical if you resist arrest?

its obvious you wont answer b/c it destroys your idiotic argument

Your question was "Where did I say all bets are off and you will get choked to death?"
You've said that almost word for word multiple times.

And I've already said several times that even if they do "get physical" they should behave lawfully.