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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2014, 01:40:23 PM »
Dear Coach,

after owning yourself, with no external coercion we have to take your claim that Obamacare is a disaster with a grain of salt.

Damn, two idiots named Joe getting owned in the same thread.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2014, 03:39:55 PM »
you got yourself

I'm curious how you came upon this video and decided to post it

did you receive it in an email or did you just find it yourself and decide to post it

seriously, I'd like to know

It only means that I've been right about Obama, his agenda and his minions 97% of the time instead of 98%. Tell me again how great obamacare is and that we keep our doctor, won't affect the middle class and you'll save money. How did that work again?

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2014, 07:40:04 PM »
Seems to be working pretty good in Kentucky.

http://time.com/3062886/how-kentucky-got-obamacare-right/

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2014, 08:23:44 PM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/04/05/get-ready-for-the-real-obamacare-disasters-as-people-start-to-use-it/

One of the only things that I think is good, is the coverage for pre-existing conditions.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2014, 04:57:12 AM »
From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick


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August 10, 2014 | 6:33pm

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From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick
Melanie Thompson and HIV patient Brian Albright look over his medical bills and correspondence with his insurance company in Atlanta.
Photo: AP


It turns out ObamaCare didn’t solve the problem of “pre-existing conditions” after all. It made premiums more affordable for people with chronic health conditions that are expensive to treat — but at the price of sticking them with unaffordable co-payments for their medications.

The nonprofit AIDS Institute is suing four Florida health insurers for discriminating against HIV/AIDS patients. The complaint says these patients now face prohibitive out-of-pocket drug costs. Sadly, most of the plans sold via ObamaCare all across the country have similar problems — leaving those with chronic diseases without affordable access to the specialty drugs they need.

The Affordable Care Act limits the degree to which insurers can charge higher premiums for sicker patients. But ObamaCare plans found a way around these rules: impose higher out-of-pocket costs for all or most specialty drugs.

Consider the Florida suit. Carl Schmid, the AIDS Institute deputy executive director, says the plans follow a “pattern where every single [HIV/AIDS] drug for some plans was on the highest tier, including generics.” Under these policies, drug costs for AIDS patients can exceed $1,000 a month.

And Florida’s hardly unusual. A new report from consulting group Avalere Health found that a large majority of all ObamaCare exchange plans include similarly high out-of-pocket costs for patients with certain illnesses.

The breakdown of Silver plans (the most popular category) is particularly revealing. In seven classes of drugs for conditions from cancer to bipolar disorder, more than a fifth of these plans require patients to shoulder 40 percent of the medicine’s cost.

And 60 percent of Silver plans place all drugs for illnesses like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis in the “formulary tier” with the highest level of cost-sharing.

Nearly every Silver plan across the country, in fact, puts at least one class of drug exclusively in the top cost-sharing tier. In effect, this leaves patients with a given condition — whether HIV or Crohn’s disease — without a single affordable treatment option.

Pre-ObamaCare, about half the states had a system in place for helping people with pre-existing conditions: state high-risk pool plans, which for years offered government-subsidized coverage to patients with pre-existing conditions. But the Affordable Care Act banned those pools.

So now, with exchange plans failing them, the chronically ill have nowhere left to go.

Allies of the insurance industry blame the drug companies for the high price of certain medicines. AARP policy adviser Leigh Purvis, for instance, says cost-sharing levels “wouldn’t be so high if the prices of drugs weren’t so high.” Health-policy advocate John Rother, meanwhile, claims that “reducing price is something [drug] companies could do tomorrow.”

But drug prices aren’t arbitrary. The average biopharmaceutical therapy takes $1.2 billion and anywhere from 10 to 15 years to bring to market. Firms must charge high prices for certain brand-name drugs to make back this substantial investment with enough left over to fund research into the next generation of treatments.

And while insurers like to complain that sophisticated therapies cost too much, they tend to ignore the far higher costs of denying these medicines to patients.

Increased co-pays result in “nonadherence,” failure to take prescribed medications. And that equals increased rates of hospitalization, chronic heart failure and premature death.

And this adds to health outlays: According to a recent study in the Annals of Internal Medicine, nonadherence costs the US health system from $100 billion to $289 billion a year.

In short, by making needed medications unaffordable — and by failing to cover newer, targeted therapies — insurers are jeopardizing patient health. And far from saving money, cutting off access to specialty drugs actually increases long-term health costs.

Specialty medications need to be treated as equivalent to other essential medical services — not as some luxury that only the wealthy can afford. But the ObamaCare law has only made the problem worse than ever.

Peter J. Pitts, a former Food and Drug Administration associate commissioner, is president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2014, 06:19:17 AM »
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/04/05/get-ready-for-the-real-obamacare-disasters-as-people-start-to-use-it/

One of the only things that I think is good, is the coverage for pre-existing conditions.

That is one.  The other is eventually it is going to drive doctors back into the direct employ of hospitals and not third party vendors like 90% are today.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2014, 06:25:33 AM »
From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick


By Peter J. Pitts





















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August 10, 2014 | 6:33pm

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From HIV to cancer to Crone’s, ObamaCare fails the sick
Melanie Thompson and HIV patient Brian Albright look over his medical bills and correspondence with his insurance company in Atlanta.
Photo: AP


It turns out ObamaCare didn’t solve the problem of “pre-existing conditions” after all. It made premiums more affordable for people with chronic health conditions that are expensive to treat — but at the price of sticking them with unaffordable co-payments for their medications.

The nonprofit AIDS Institute is suing four Florida health insurers for discriminating against HIV/AIDS patients. The complaint says these patients now face prohibitive out-of-pocket drug costs. Sadly, most of the plans sold via ObamaCare all across the country have similar problems — leaving those with chronic diseases without affordable access to the specialty drugs they need.

The Affordable Care Act limits the degree to which insurers can charge higher premiums for sicker patients. But ObamaCare plans found a way around these rules: impose higher out-of-pocket costs for all or most specialty drugs.

Consider the Florida suit. Carl Schmid, the AIDS Institute deputy executive director, says the plans follow a “pattern where every single [HIV/AIDS] drug for some plans was on the highest tier, including generics.” Under these policies, drug costs for AIDS patients can exceed $1,000 a month.

And Florida’s hardly unusual. A new report from consulting group Avalere Health found that a large majority of all ObamaCare exchange plans include similarly high out-of-pocket costs for patients with certain illnesses.

The breakdown of Silver plans (the most popular category) is particularly revealing. In seven classes of drugs for conditions from cancer to bipolar disorder, more than a fifth of these plans require patients to shoulder 40 percent of the medicine’s cost.

And 60 percent of Silver plans place all drugs for illnesses like multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis in the “formulary tier” with the highest level of cost-sharing.

Nearly every Silver plan across the country, in fact, puts at least one class of drug exclusively in the top cost-sharing tier. In effect, this leaves patients with a given condition — whether HIV or Crohn’s disease — without a single affordable treatment option.

Pre-ObamaCare, about half the states had a system in place for helping people with pre-existing conditions: state high-risk pool plans, which for years offered government-subsidized coverage to patients with pre-existing conditions. But the Affordable Care Act banned those pools.

So now, with exchange plans failing them, the chronically ill have nowhere left to go.

Allies of the insurance industry blame the drug companies for the high price of certain medicines. AARP policy adviser Leigh Purvis, for instance, says cost-sharing levels “wouldn’t be so high if the prices of drugs weren’t so high.” Health-policy advocate John Rother, meanwhile, claims that “reducing price is something [drug] companies could do tomorrow.”

But drug prices aren’t arbitrary. The average biopharmaceutical therapy takes $1.2 billion and anywhere from 10 to 15 years to bring to market. Firms must charge high prices for certain brand-name drugs to make back this substantial investment with enough left over to fund research into the next generation of treatments.

And while insurers like to complain that sophisticated therapies cost too much, they tend to ignore the far higher costs of denying these medicines to patients.

Increased co-pays result in “nonadherence,” failure to take prescribed medications. And that equals increased rates of hospitalization, chronic heart failure and premature death.

And this adds to health outlays: According to a recent study in the Annals of Internal Medicine, nonadherence costs the US health system from $100 billion to $289 billion a year.

In short, by making needed medications unaffordable — and by failing to cover newer, targeted therapies — insurers are jeopardizing patient health. And far from saving money, cutting off access to specialty drugs actually increases long-term health costs.

Specialty medications need to be treated as equivalent to other essential medical services — not as some luxury that only the wealthy can afford. But the ObamaCare law has only made the problem worse than ever.

Peter J. Pitts, a former Food and Drug Administration associate commissioner, is president of the Center for Medicine in the Public Interest.


These issues aren't unique to the ACA.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2014, 06:29:05 AM »
Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.


Considering it started out as Death panels that would send your loved ones to concentration camps i would dare say its not that bad.

You disagree?

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2014, 08:32:59 AM »

Considering it started out as Death panels that would send your loved ones to concentration camps i would dare say its not that bad.

You disagree?

Damn, you on a roll today.  LOL!

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2014, 08:52:39 AM »
It only means that I've been right about Obama, his agenda and his minions 97% of the time instead of 98%. Tell me again how great obamacare is and that we keep our doctor, won't affect the middle class and you'll save money. How did that work again?

What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time

Take this thread as an example.  First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs

You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality.   The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2014, 08:57:26 AM »
What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time

Take this thread as an example.  First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs

You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality.   The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.

Hey fagget - read this - obamacare sucks and is owned. 

http://news.investors.com/politics/081114-712602-obamacare-enrollment-falling-aetna-says.htm



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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2014, 09:03:00 AM »
What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time

Take this thread as an example.  First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs

You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality.   The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You just don't get it do you?

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2014, 11:14:52 AM »
Yep, you got me on this one. The guys an idiot. Doesn't take away from the FACT that Obamacare is still a complete disaster.

Well, that's a start.  So good job admitting that ya may have fucked up a bit here.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2014, 11:58:56 AM »
What it means is that you remain the same fact averse, brain dead wing nut the other 97% of the time

Take this thread as an example.  First you were in total denial of your fuck up then you tried to change the subject, then you were finally shamed into admitting the truth of your fuck up (if only for a few hours) and then you went right back inside the right wing bubble and tried to plow forward with your same unproven (or provably false) beliefs

You're an old man and the cement has dried and you simply can't deal with objective reality.   The rest of the world is just stuck dealing with idiots like you.

Hey twit, I admitted it, unlike you who is still delusional enough to think this asshole is the best thing that ever happened to this country. No matter what the polls, no matter the failed policies since day one, no matter that he funds and arms terrorists, no matter what he does, he's your hero and wanna be butt boy. But why explain this to you, you (with a supposed degree in finance) still thinks that raising taxes to oblivion is the way to better the economy. Again, Obamacare is an easily proven disaster. But you just go ahead and keep supporting this loser. It really shows the lack of integrity you have in real life. Dolt.

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2014, 12:17:49 PM »
Hey twit, I admitted it, unlike you who is still delusional enough to think this asshole is the best thing that ever happened to this country. No matter what the polls, no matter the failed policies since day one, no matter that he funds and arms terrorists, no matter what he does, he's your hero and wanna be butt boy. But why explain this to you, you (with a supposed degree in finance) still thinks that raising taxes to oblivion is the way to better the economy. Again, Obamacare is an easily proven disaster. But you just go ahead and keep supporting this loser. It really shows the lack of integrity you have in real life. Dolt.

LOL - you only admitted your colossal self owning after first trying to deny it, change the subject, mock the language etc...  Then you were finally shamed into it only to seem to forget your realization a few hours later.

I am very interested as to how you came to decide to make this thread.  It's an obvious (to most) and well known fact that the right wing media has always lied to its constituents in order to get them scared and fired up.  Of course, only the most dumb among your kind posts shit that was debunked over a year ago.  

Seriously though, please tell us how you decided to make this thread last week.  Did you recently get an email lauding Joe Barton's public lies or did you somehow stumble upon this yourself and just failed to spend the 25 seconds it took to fact check it before posting?

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2014, 01:48:03 PM »
LOL - you only admitted your colossal self owning after first trying to deny it, change the subject, mock the language etc...  Then you were finally shamed into it only to seem to forget your realization a few hours later.

I am very interested as to how you came to decide to make this thread.  It's an obvious (to most) and well known fact that the right wing media has always lied to its constituents in order to get them scared and fired up.  Of course, only the most dumb among your kind posts shit that was debunked over a year ago.  

Seriously though, please tell us how you decided to make this thread last week.  Did you recently get an email lauding Joe Barton's public lies or did you somehow stumble upon this yourself and just failed to spend the 25 seconds it took to fact check it before posting?


HAHAHAHAHAH

http://www.greenvillegazette.com/results-reveald-see-the-percent-of-statements-made-by-foxnews-are-actually-true/

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2014, 02:03:18 PM »

HAHAHAHAHAH

http://www.greenvillegazette.com/results-reveald-see-the-percent-of-statements-made-by-foxnews-are-actually-true/


brhahahahahaha that don't surprise me,you don't have to go any further than getbig to see those results

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2014, 02:04:29 PM »
Obamacare is great

Obama is popular w the majority of people

The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber

ISIS means us no harm

Obama works hard at his job


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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2014, 02:07:39 PM »
Obamacare is great

Obama is popular w the majority of people

The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber

ISIS means us no harm

Obama works hard at his job


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Keep dreaming you libs

my dream is you get a life of your own and stop living through obama

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2014, 02:09:31 PM »
my dream is you get a life of your own and stop living through obama

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/bombs-over-erbil


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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2014, 03:09:13 PM »
Obamacare is great

Obama is popular w the majority of people

The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber

ISIS means us no harm

Obama works hard at his job


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closet queen with OCD must make another post with his bullshit fantasies about Dems and Obama

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2014, 04:23:25 PM »
oh yeah, was it 82% or 66% of Doctors gonna retires because of OB care?

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2014, 04:39:25 PM »
oh yeah, was it 82% or 66% of Doctors gonna retires because of OB care?

I think it was 82% with the other 18% being forced to work in the Obama re-education camps after he collapses the nation and installs himself as dictator for life

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2014, 05:28:26 PM »
oh yeah, was it 82% or 66% of Doctors gonna retires because of OB care?

Had to be 66%.  Because you can't expect 18% of doctors to be responsible for cities burning and society collapsing upon itself.  You need a bit more than that to walk off their jobs you know....

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Re: Owned to oblivion (Obamacare)
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2014, 10:10:39 PM »
Obamacare is great

Obama is popular w the majority of people

The democrats are going to sweep in novemeber

ISIS means us no harm

Obama works hard at his job


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Don't confuse them. After all, Isis is just a JV terror group.