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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2014, 07:10:43 PM »
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White House will now lock the front door
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 9/22/14 | Brian Hughes |
Posted on September 22, 2014 7:13:45 PM EDT by ColdOne

The White House on Monday said it would do what most homeowners practice to secure their property: Lock the front door.

“After Friday night’s incident, when the door is not in use, it will be secured,” said White House press secretary Josh Earnest, clarifying that officials would, in fact, lock the door.

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2014, 07:58:45 PM »
I use to think you were joking, but the amount of stupid content you produce is profound. You seem almost incapable of admitting fault or listening to someone else. How many wives have you had? has anyone ever told you something like this before? you ignore rebuttals and still hold your position, it's uncanny.

For example your argument was that obamas whole staff are inept due to this incident, straw then shows you that this has happened many times before, thus you are left with two possible explanations or arguments. Everyone is inept since this has happened with other POTUS in office or this isn't a sign of ineptitude but perhaps something else, like security/freedom ratio or for appearance, really there are many reasons. You choose to continue with the nonsense.

Avxo appears to be suggesting it's much of the same staff but I will let him confirm that.

I feel bad for you, I do.

"Due to this one incident"?? Where did I ever say it was due to this ONE incident? And yes, the entire administration is fuckkng obviously inept.

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2014, 08:00:11 PM »
how do you figure that

Is it because I'm smart enough to point out every time you post another blatant and easily provable lie that you receive in a chain email

You're so smart you voted twice for him and will vote for Killary as well. How fucking smart is that....seriously?

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2014, 08:05:57 PM »
You're so smart you voted twice for him and will vote for Killary as well. How fucking smart is that....seriously?

pretty smart given the alternatives

and you don't have to actually even be that smart not to get duped by Republican chain emails yet you've publicly humiliated yourself on this board twice in the last month.  I even reminded you last month that you needed to check this shit before you post it given your party's tendency to lie to the dumber members of your party (i.e. people like you).

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2014, 07:24:04 AM »
You're so smart you voted twice for him and will vote for Killary as well. How fucking smart is that....seriously?

Compared to your avalanche of stupidity that occurs every morning when you wake up, I would have to say pretty damn smart.

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2014, 07:58:07 AM »
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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2014, 09:58:42 AM »
Is the left blaming Bush, the govt shutdown, the sequester or other lack of funding, etc for the security lapses yet?
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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2014, 10:10:14 AM »
"Due to this one incident"?? Where did I ever say it was due to this ONE incident? And yes, the entire administration is fuckkng obviously inept.

You posted this single incident then stated the whole staff was inept, what am I suppose to infer from that?

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2014, 12:35:55 PM »

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2014, 12:49:45 PM »
http://time.com/3421801/secret-service-white-house-security-breach


Its excuses after this weekend's breach are ridiculous and revealing of a troubled culture. The agency needs a new, outside director to clean house.











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If you want to know what is wrong with the Secret Service, take a look at the statement the agency issued after a deranged intruder managed to enter the White House for the first time since the Secret Service closed off public access to the mansion during World War II.



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According to the Secret Service, the Uniformed Division officers who did nothing to apprehend 42-year-old Omar J. Gonzalez after he hopped over the White House fence “showed tremendous restraint.” The agency is so arrogant that it thinks it can make such an obviously ridiculous statement and the public will buy it because we are fools.

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2014, 12:51:54 PM »


But the Secret Service is not fooling the FBI. Senior FBI officials are horrified by the Secret Service’s handling of the matter and are laughing at its effort to cover up its own failure by brazenly praising the officers’ “restraint.”

The FBI’s reaction is well founded. In protecting the White House, the Secret Service Uniformed Division officers and the Uniformed Division’s Emergency Response Team, armed with P90 submachine guns, are supposed to be the first line of defense. But they were either asleep or just not paying attention when Gonzales sprinted across the lawn. They thus failed to unleash the agency’s Belgian Malinois dogs, which are cross-trained to sniff out explosives and to attack an intruder and take him or her down.

Having failed to unleash the dogs in time, the officers should have taken out the intruder with a bullet. When it comes to protecting the president, officers and agents must make split-second decisions to avoid an assassination. Courts have given the Secret Service much wider latitude than other law enforcement agencies in use of deadly force.

In Gonzalez’ case, no one knew if he was concealing a bomb or weapons of mass destruction. If it turned out he had them, it would have been too late to kill him once he was in the White House. While President Obama had just left the White House, he might have decided to return. Gonzalez’s act of racing into the White House by definition meant that he was a threat to the president. The Secret Service was derelict in its duty to protect the president by failing to eliminate that threat.

While all of this may seem obvious, apparently it is not to Obama, who has defended the Secret Service and its leaders even as it let Michaele and Tareq Salahi and a third intruder, Carlos Allen, into a White House state dinner even though they were not on the guest list. The president continued to defend the agency even as 11 agents had to be sent home from Colombia for hiring prostitutes when Obama was about to visit (a story which I broke).

Yet these scandals are the tip of the iceberg. As reported in my book The First Family Detail, while agents are brave and dedicated, Secret Service management perpetuates a culture that condones laxness and cutting corners. Under pressure from White House political staffs or presidential campaign staffs, Secret Service management tells agents to let people into events without magnetometer or metal detector screening. Assassins concealing grenades or other weapons could theoretically enter an event and easily assassinate the president or a presidential candidate. When it comes to firearms requalification and physical fitness, the Secret Service either doesn’t allow agents time to fulfill the requirements or asks agents to fill out their own test scores.

All this has led to poor morale and a high turnover rate. Tired agents and officers are forced to work long overtime hours, contributing to the sort of inattention that took place when Gonzalez scaled the White House fence. The Secret Service has refused to update its sensors around the White House with the latest technologically advanced devices for detecting intrusions and weapons of mass destruction. Its arrogance extended to leaving the doors to the White House unlocked on the presumption that its personnel could handle any threat.

No congressional hearings or internal reviews are going to fix the agency. Only an outside director with a fresh perspective—comparable to Robert S. Mueller III when he took over as FBI director—would be capable of reforming Secret Service management, shaking up the agency, and changing the culture that fosters corner cutting and punishes agents who question it.

But given Obama’s lack of judgment, that is not going to happen. An assassination nullifies American democracy. But Obama will continue to insist that he has confidence in the Secret Service despite the risk to his own life and the lives of his family members, who would be prime targets of an attack by ISIS terrorists on the vulnerable White House.

“We don’t have enough people or the equipment to do protection the way they advertise they do,” a veteran current agent (who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to fear of losing his job) says. “And how we have not had an incident up to this point is truly amazing—a miracle.”

Ronald Kessler, a former Washington Post and Wall Street Journal investigative reporter, is the author of The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents.


Having failed to unleash the dogs in time, the officers should have taken out the intruder with a bullet. When it comes to protecting the president, officers and agents must make split-second decisions to avoid an assassination. Courts have given the Secret Service much wider latitude than other law enforcement agencies in use of deadly force.

In Gonzalez’ case, no one knew if he was concealing a bomb or weapons of mass destruction. If it turned out he had them, it would have been too late to kill him once he was in the White House. While President Obama had just left the White House, he might have decided to return. Gonzalez’s act of racing into the White House by definition meant that he was a threat to the president. The Secret Service was derelict in its duty to protect the president by failing to eliminate that threat.

All this has led to poor morale and a high turnover rate. Tired agents and officers are forced to work long overtime hours, contributing to the sort of inattention that took place when Gonzalez scaled the White House fence. The Secret Service has refused to update its sensors around the White House with the latest technologically advanced devices for detecting intrusions and weapons of mass destruction. Its arrogance extended to leaving the doors to the White House unlocked on the presumption that its personnel could handle any threat.

                

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2014, 06:12:57 AM »


New details in fence-jumping reveal failures in security rings around White House






 


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A bystander captured video of Omar J. Gonzalez, who jumped the fence around the White House on Friday and sparked a security alert. Gonzalez got inside the front door of the mansion before being caught. (Alan Pawlinski via YouTube)

By Carol D. Leonnig and David A. Fahrenthold September 23 at 9:02 PM    


As an intruder sprinted for the White House door Friday, a Secret Service officer ran to get in his way — but the intruder barreled past the officer and kept going, officials familiar with the incident said Tuesday.

A few yards farther on, the intruder, Omar Jose Gonzalez, reached the White House door. A guard was supposed to be posted directly in front, but no one was blocking the door at that moment.

Those new details help explain how the Secret Service’s plan for guarding the White House — which envisioned five different rings of protection between the public sidewalk and the president’s front door — failed so completely.

A plainclothes surveillance team was on duty that night outside the fence, meant to spot jumpers and give early warning before they made it over. When that team didn’t notice Gonzalez, there was an officer in a guard booth on the North Lawn. When that officer couldn’t stop him, there was supposed to be an attack dog, a SWAT team and a guard at the front door — all at the ready.

But the attack dog wasn’t released.


 

Sightseers in Washington react to new security measures put in place after Omar J. Gonzalez jumped the White House fence Friday. (Zoeann Murphy/The Washington Post)

The SWAT team, which didn’t react in time, was trailing Gonzalez as he dove through some bushes ringing the White House’s front entrance.

And when Gonzalez reached the door, he found his path clear and the door unlocked.

“One after another unit failed,” said a former high-ranking Secret Service official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe White House security protocols. “This guy has now crossed 70-some yards of restricted area. If he has [an explosive] device on him and he gets in, he controls the White House. He could have anything on him.”

Inside, Gonzalez was subdued by a plainclothes agent — the sixth ring of security that night. That agent’s job is to patrol a place that intruders are never supposed to reach: the interior of the executive mansion.

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Questions for agency

Gonzalez, 42, did not express an intent to harm anyone at the White House. He was carrying only a folding knife, authorities say, and said he wanted to warn President Obama that the “atmosphere was collapsing.”

But the fact that he breached the White House’s legendary security perimeter — and did it using the unsophisticated method of jumping the fence and running for the door — has raised serious questions about the Secret Service’s preparation.

The agency is conducting an internal review of the incident. Officials will also face questions from the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee at a hearing next week.

   




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The Secret Service is under scrutiny after a man scaled the White House fence and made it all the way through the front door.--

Sept. 22, 2014 |  Security is heightened around the White House following Friday’s breach. Omar Jose Gonzalez, 42, appeared before a judge on one charge of unlawfully entering a restricted building or grounds while carrying a deadly or dangerous weapon. (Nikki Kahn/The Washington Post)
 




 
Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan declined to describe the details of Gonzalez’s path. Asked about the criticism that the system failed at several levels to stop the intruder, Donovan said it was not appropriate to respond during an ongoing internal review.

“Any conversation prior to the completion of the review is speculation or merely erroneous judgments provided by anonymous sources who are not in a position to know all the facts and whose experience and level are unknown,” Donovan said.

Already, Friday’s intrusion has altered the look of the White House grounds. Monday evening, the Secret Service put up a second fence along the mansion’s north side. About eight feet in front of the White House’s iconic, 49-year-old wrought-iron fence, there is now a line of metal barricades that look like bike racks linked end to end.

The Secret Service said that the new fence creates “a temporary buffer zone” and that it will stay up while officials conduct their review of Friday’s intrusion.

Four days after the incident, a look back shows that Gonzalez had come to the Secret Service’s attention twice earlier this year. This summer, he was interviewed by the agency after raising suspicions during a traffic stop on an interstate highway in rural Wythe County, Va.

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The Virginia State Police allegedly found a number of weapons in Gonzalez’s car, including a sawed-off shotgun, two sniper rifles, an assault rifle, a bolt-action rifle, one intact shotgun and five handguns. Police also found a map of the Washington area with a circle around the Masonic temple in Alexandria, Va., and a line that pointed toward the White House, police and prosecutors said.

A Secret Service official, speaking on behalf of the agency, said Tuesday that agents had interviewed Gonzalez afterward, and found no reason to charge him with threatening the president or to refer him for mental health treatment.

Then, in late August, a Secret Service officer spotted Gonzalez walking along the White House’s south fence, carrying a hatchet in his waistband. Officers interviewed him and searched his car, finding camping gear but no evidence that he posed a threat.

The Secret Service official said that, at the time, officers were aware of the earlier contact with Gonzalez in Virginia. But, the official said, “he did not exhibit any mental-health issues at that point. He had not engaged in any criminal activity.” Gonzalez was let go.

On Friday, less than a month later, he returned to the White House and climbed the fence.

Crossing lines of defense

For some reason not yet explained, no officer was close enough to collar Gonzalez on his mad dash to the building.

The next line of defense was supposed to be the attack dog, a Belgian Malinois trained to hit an intruder like a canine missile. A video of the event shows a dog running onto the scene, possibly on a leash, but only after Gonzalez opened the front door.

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The next level of security was supposed to be a heavily armed SWAT team that roves the White House grounds. This team was created specifically in the wake of a study by the Army’s Delta Force in the 1990s, which warned that the White House was vulnerable to jumpers.

It is unclear where the emergency-response team members were when the intruder passed Friday night. Some may have relocated to the South Lawn, where the president’s helicopter had lifted off 10 minutes before the intruder appeared. In a video of the incident, black-clad figures with guns are seen following Gonzalez, but at that point he was already close to the door.

Finally, according to former officials familiar with White House security, an officer is always supposed to be stationed at the front door. In this case, no officer was there, said several people familiar with the incident who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe what they said were lapses. Video footage shows an officer on the far eastern side of the porch with his gun pointed at Gonzalez — but it is not clear what the officer’s assignment was that night.

Several former Secret Service officials said in interviews this week that they were surprised no officers fired at Gonzalez.

These former officials said Secret Service protocols have called for shooting an intruder who is close to crossing the threshold of the White House, as it might not be clear if the person is a serious threat.

“If they aren’t stopping and are on the threshold of the house, you have to use lethal force,” said Dan Emmett, a former Secret Service counterassault officer. “This would have been an easy shot and one that would have been entirely defensible.”

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2014, 07:12:56 AM »
You are fucking a crybaby whiner jesus. How many times has this happened? it's not fort knox.

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2014, 07:35:35 AM »
Nothing works in the failed obama presidency

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« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2014, 07:57:27 AM »
You are fucking a crybaby whiner jesus. How many times has this happened? it's not fort knox.

Lets look at this for a second...as I was stationed at Fort Knox home of the Gold Vault.  The Vault lies adjacent to the Dixie highway that runs into Louisville and sits what would be the front edge of the Post.  Its visible all around much like the Whitehouse. Its surrounded by a perimeter fence with cyclone wire at the top. On the left side is a gate that allows two way traffic most of the day. At the back is a golf course. Near the gate is a turn off and a building where the security folks park. The perimeter is patrolled by both walkers and a Dept. of Treasury copper Humvee.  The top of the vault is flat and has armed guards with bino's. Why do I know this...because their always fucking visible doing their job. If you stop for a photo anywhere near the vault they come rolling out like magic.......Obama has allowed security to lax. He fails at simple shit. This is another example. This guy should have been engaged and shot. Just like anybody crossing our borders. If Chewy and the ewoks had been injured by this guy...holy hell would rain down upon the masses. All they need to do is their job....now more rights will be violated because he cant keep his house in order.
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2014, 08:00:46 AM »
Lets look at this for a second...as I was stationed at Fort Knox home of the Gold Vault.  The Vault lies adjacent to the Dixie highway that runs into Louisville and sits what would be the front edge of the Post.  Its visible all around much like the Whitehouse. Its surrounded by a perimeter fence with cyclone wire at the top. On the left side is a gate that allows two way traffic most of the day. At the back is a golf course. Near the gate is a turn off and a building where the security folks park. The perimeter is patrolled by both walkers and a Dept. of Treasury copper Humvee.  The top of the vault is flat and has armed guards with bino's. Why do I know this...because their always fucking visible doing their job. If you stop for a photo anywhere near the vault they come rolling out like magic.......Obama has allowed security to lax. He fails at simple shit. This is another example. This guy should have been engaged and shot. Just like anybody crossing our borders. If Chewy and the ewoks had been injured by this guy...holy hell would rain down upon the masses. All they need to do is their job....now more rights will be violated because he cant keep his house in order.

No he hasn't at all, this has happened many times before.

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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2014, 05:48:35 PM »
WTF, now they're talking about checking people in the vicinity of the WH?

I'd just like to thank those crying about this minor nonsense for contributing to the police state.

I'll really appreciate your fucking whining as the secret service is feeling up my ballsack next time the family visits the goddamn Smithsonian.

It's such irony that those crying about this are the same ones who wouldn't give a fuck if something bad happened to Obama anyway.

Oh brother...

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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2014, 05:51:24 PM »
It's such irony that those crying about this are the same ones who wouldn't give a fuck if something bad happened to Obama anyway.

THIS

many hint at wishing harm on him daily... but secret service fails and they're outraged, demanding better protection for barry hussein.

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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2014, 10:21:08 AM »
WTF, now they're talking about checking people in the vicinity of the WH?

I'd just like to thank those crying about this minor nonsense for contributing to the police state.

I'll really appreciate your fucking whining as the secret service is feeling up my ballsack next time the family visits the goddamn Smithsonian.

It's such irony that those crying about this are the same ones who wouldn't give a fuck if something bad happened to Obama anyway.
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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2014, 11:19:31 AM »
Dont want obama harmed physically - we dont need him to be a marytr for his failed presidency


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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2014, 08:34:21 AM »
http://time.com/3421801/secret-service-white-house-security-breach


Its excuses after this weekend's breach are ridiculous and revealing of a troubled culture. The agency needs a new, outside director to clean house.











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If you want to know what is wrong with the Secret Service, take a look at the statement the agency issued after a deranged intruder managed to enter the White House for the first time since the Secret Service closed off public access to the mansion during World War II.



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According to the Secret Service, the Uniformed Division officers who did nothing to apprehend 42-year-old Omar J. Gonzalez after he hopped over the White House fence “showed tremendous restraint.” The agency is so arrogant that it thinks it can make such an obviously ridiculous statement and the public will buy it because we are fools.


what is this shit

do you even look at what you're posting?

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Re: Obama Secret Service Sucks!
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2014, 01:55:55 PM »
Do you believe that the Secret Service is primarily full of liberal democrats?



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