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| King Shizzo:
How is that working out for ya ;D I fucking love it. Look at the final four teams in the playoffs Royals, Orioles, Giants, and Cardinals........really? Moneyball is very real. Screw the 10 year, 200-300 million dollar contracts. Pitching and bullpen. That is what wins in the post steroid era. |
| macgarth:
I couldn't agree more. I'm a Yankees fan and I hate the big contracts that are being passed around. In some ways I'd like to see a cap of some sort in baseball to prevent them from making some of their win now bone headed moves. They spent over $200 mill in total contracts this year to come away with one less win from the year before LOL. Baseball is a situational game and definitely requires situational players. Not every one can be an all star and not everyone needs to be. You need guys who can do different things in order to produce runs or get batters out. All the teams left have pitching and bullpen depth and I agree that is huge and will keep you in games longer than no pitching and good hitting. In addition to this, these four teams don't mind playing small ball to produce runs. I watched the giants/cards earlier today and the giants laid a bunt to move runners and when you force a fielder to make a play anything can happen. I can't tell you how many games I watch in a season where a superstar is up in a clear bunting situation and never lays one down. When it comes to free agency, small ball is cheaper than homers and does it matter if you win 10-2 or 5-4? A win is a win in the standings. I hope these lighter payroll teams keep sticking it to the big money spenders and force them to draft and develop. I won't lie, I did think the Orioles were going to fold like fresh laundry in September. |
| Garbage Man:
Got it. |
| Grape Ape:
--- Quote from: Shizzo on October 14, 2014, 04:01:45 PM ---How is that working out for ya ;D I fucking love it. Look at the final four teams in the playoffs Royals, Orioles, Giants, and Cardinals........really? Moneyball is very real. Screw the 10 year, 200-300 million dollar contracts. Pitching and bullpen. That is what wins in the post steroid era. --- End quote --- Moneyball, huh? Please, go team by team with those mentioned above and enlighten us to what undervalued metrics each one has incorporated that has caught the higher spending teams off guard. Meanwhile, the Orioles have made playoffs ONCE in the last 17 years, and the Royals have now made it ONCE in the last 29. Hardly the model you want to copy. There is no magic formula. Obviously a good pitching and bullpen help, but it's scoring more runs than your opponent that matters. This can be accomplished by having a tremendous offense as well. |
| Grape Ape:
--- Quote from: macgarth on October 14, 2014, 05:46:43 PM ---I couldn't agree more. I'm a Yankees fan and I hate the big contracts that are being passed around. In some ways I'd like to see a cap of some sort in baseball to prevent them from making some of their win now bone headed moves. They spent over $200 mill in total contracts this year to come away with one less win from the year before LOL. Baseball is a situational game and definitely requires situational players. Not every one can be an all star and not everyone needs to be. You need guys who can do different things in order to produce runs or get batters out. All the teams left have pitching and bullpen depth and I agree that is huge and will keep you in games longer than no pitching and good hitting. In addition to this, these four teams don't mind playing small ball to produce runs. I watched the giants/cards earlier today and the giants laid a bunt to move runners and when you force a fielder to make a play anything can happen. I can't tell you how many games I watch in a season where a superstar is up in a clear bunting situation and never lays one down. When it comes to free agency, small ball is cheaper than homers and does it matter if you win 10-2 or 5-4? A win is a win in the standings. I hope these lighter payroll teams keep sticking it to the big money spenders and force them to draft and develop. I won't lie, I did think the Orioles were going to fold like fresh laundry in September. --- End quote --- I'm not a fan of some of the Yankees contracts either. But I'm also not going to ignore the context that 4/5s of their starting rotation missed most of the year either. Any fan facing reality knew the Yankees were going to pay the price a few seasons for some contracts. But, ironically, it was their unwillingness to spend even MORE in the international free agent pool that cost them. They could have made the playoffs the last two years with a few key international signings. As for small ball, yes there are times and places. But over the course of the season, sacrificing outs will cost you more than help you. |
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