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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2014, 09:34:03 AM »
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.

I believe it can be both the dark side of human nature as you say and in certain cases possession or influence by subtle malevolent spirits.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2014, 09:36:16 AM »
I believe it can be both the dark side of human nature as you say and in certain cases possession or influence by subtle malevolent spirits.

I would argue that if a malevolent spirit existed it would be out of a job.  Humans are capable of committing the most horrendously grotesques  acts on their own and don't need the influence of spirits.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2014, 09:36:38 AM »
Yes.

Have you watched Thy Will be Done?



youre a moron. with all we know youre saying this man is possessed. get a grip in reality.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2014, 09:37:41 AM »
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.
I think both can exist together. Can a positive force work through "good" actions? Can a negative force work through "bad" actions?
Even in our society today we cannot accept our "dark passenger" as Dexter would call it. Humankind is capable of some of the most wicked acts imaginable, and still thinking up more. Yet, we are capable of goodness...and sometimes within that goodness, we have to do acts that are deemed "evil" if done by lesser men and women. Killing, maiming, torturing, etc.

Think of the irony that the soldier who kills on the battle field, or the man who kills his daughter's rapist and killer is considered a just and righteous man? Whereas the person who committed said acts, and uses the same form of violence is considered "evil" and a "monster" (and rightly so)?

Humans, so complex are we.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2014, 09:38:09 AM »
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.

Bigro is either the biggest troll out there or the biggest idiot.

enough with this possession nonsense. we are not living in the dark ages.

people like bigro need to grow up.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2014, 09:39:37 AM »
I think both can exist together. Can a positive force work through "good" actions? Can a negative force work through "bad" actions?
Even in our society today we cannot accept our "dark passenger" as Dexter would call it. Humankind is capable of some of the most wicked acts imaginable, and still thinking up more. Yet, we are capable of goodness...and sometimes within that goodness, we have to do acts that are deemed "evil" if done by lesser men and women. Killing, maiming, torturing, etc.

Think of the irony that the soldier who kills on the battle field, or the man who kills his daughter's rapist and killer is considered a just and righteous man? Whereas the person who committed said acts, and uses the same form of violence is considered "evil" and a "monster" (and rightly so)?

Humans, so complex are we.

Prove that its both? There is no evidence to suggest that this man is possessed or that its demonic spirits.

Let this silly nonsense go already.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2014, 09:43:54 AM »
Words like spirits, possession and evil are throwbacks to a time when man anthropomorphized natural phenomenon like the weather. 
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2014, 09:49:33 AM »
All brain chemistry and learnt behavior...Evil can be fixed by science and programming...

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2014, 09:52:12 AM »
youre a moron. with all we know youre saying this man is possessed. get a grip in reality.

what you call reality, how do you know that is all there is to it? You cant really prove the non-existence of spirit, spirit world etc, oh and your the one who needs to grow up, at least debate a topic instead of attacking me.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2014, 09:54:01 AM »
All brain chemistry and learnt behavior...Evil can be fixed by science and programming...

another know it all materialist.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #60 on: October 23, 2014, 09:54:10 AM »
Prove that its both? There is no evidence to suggest that this man is possessed or that its demonic spirits.

Let this silly nonsense go already.
Can one have a cold and another illness at the same time? Can having another illness weaken you for something else? Sometimes i dont always subscribe to a "only one cause". There are many things I don't understand nor answer and the concept of "some manevolent force" influencing or working within "evil acts" is one of those things.
 But, in terms of this incident, no I think he was someone who didn't give a damn and did what he wanted to do. And we can probably see it in the family history. And I agree that there is no evidence to say that this man is possessed, or a demon had his way and was in the driver's seat of this meat suit.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #61 on: October 23, 2014, 09:59:45 AM »

Can one have a cold and another illness at the same time? Can having another illness weaken you for something else? Sometimes i dont always subscribe to a "only one cause". There are many things I don't understand nor answer and the concept of "some manevolent force" influencing or working within "evil acts" is one of those things.
 But, in terms of this incident, no I think he was someone who didn't give a damn and did what he wanted to do. And we can probably see it in the family history. And I agree that there is no evidence to say that this man is possessed, or a demon had his way and was in the driver's seat of this meat suit.

I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description


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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2014, 10:06:46 AM »
I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description


He was possessed with the thought of it. As someone said, you don't know what what going on in that house, or what type of meds he was on, or was supposed to take. Or if he got into the drug scene.
You don't know if the parents abused him, or he had a grudge...wasn't left any inheritance money.
Or if they were "soft" parents who accepted disrespectful behavior from him. There are any number of reasons for him going off.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2014, 10:07:41 AM »
I am not saying there is, I have not come in to contact with him, what I wondered is how could someone hack up their parents without being possessed of some description



Some human beings are just horrible.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2014, 12:18:06 PM »
Can one have a cold and another illness at the same time? Can having another illness weaken you for something else? Sometimes i dont always subscribe to a "only one cause". There are many things I don't understand nor answer and the concept of "some manevolent force" influencing or working within "evil acts" is one of those things.
 But, in terms of this incident, no I think he was someone who didn't give a damn and did what he wanted to do. And we can probably see it in the family history. And I agree that there is no evidence to say that this man is possessed, or a demon had his way and was in the driver's seat of this meat suit.

The root to these murderers could be MANY causes, however, one of them is NOT possession or some evil spirits.

Yes, there are many things I do not understand either. However, I do not jump to silly metaphysical claims. It's a logical fallacy to think because X cant be known, it has to be something metaphysical. Again, fallacious thinking.

So, no it is not a malevolent force, such as demonic possession or evil spirits. There is no evidence to suggest its an evil force, nor has it ever been proven that such things exist. Until you can prove it, its all talk.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2014, 12:40:31 PM »
The Fritzl's were also considered decent people, funny how that one worked out right?

Easy to judge without knowing all the facts  ::)


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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2014, 12:53:49 PM »
The guy was out for a walk when he was caught. He has no recollection of what he did.


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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2014, 01:08:36 PM »
Maybe his parents were assholes?  Ever consider that.
People always assume the perpetrator is entirely at fault.






  A very real point

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2014, 01:10:12 PM »
the parents were lovely people I know a bad person when I see one. This son has been in a dark place for sometime.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #69 on: October 23, 2014, 01:12:29 PM »
the parents were lovely people I know a bad person when I see one. This son has been in a dark place for sometime.
Did they lock him in the cellar?

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #70 on: October 23, 2014, 01:13:50 PM »
haha you know what I mean

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2014, 01:15:57 PM »
Why does it have to have some kind of metaphysical source?   How do you even prove that? History is filled with people who have done terrible things.  In my opinion, using the words evil or possessed to describe violence is a way to distance ourselves from the darker side of human nature(I use the term loosely) by externalize responsibility and blame.

Another fantastic post, Arch. Call it what you want, but some are simply born bad. The Bulger murder in Merseyville makes this fairly evident.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger


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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2014, 01:22:26 PM »
Another fantastic post, Arch. Call it what you want, but some are simply born bad. The Bulger murder in Merseyville makes this fairly evident.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger



I remember this case and its a brutal one  I agree, those kids were born bad. They are still out there.
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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #73 on: October 23, 2014, 01:25:01 PM »
I remember this case and its a brutal one  I agree, those kids were born bad. They are still out there.

Yep, new identities and all. No harm, no foul.

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Re: Evil really does exist in this World
« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2014, 01:30:00 PM »
I remember this case and its a brutal one  I agree, those kids were born bad. They are still out there.

genetics is a bitch!!
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