cabergoline

[Jizmo]

have not tried the Parmi but I hear it works well with tren. Isn;t parmi mainly just made by peptide companys?

no, its a normal restless legs medication just like caber

its just not that widespread

prami REALLY fucks with your sleep i heard. some people even get withdrawal symptoms...

it increases your GH output while sleeping by a huge margin though.

[mazfit]

caber is good legit caber

the only thing my guy has trouble getting as he only deals in legit stuff

its very expensive and to get the price down hes looking at 5000 units

npp and tren now i cud really use some of this shit man, dealing with leaky nips and cone nips isnt the one

[AlphaGyno]

nothing we just don;t want puffy nipples so to make sure that dosn;t happen we use anchileries such as arimidex,letro,aromasin, and if you run more then 2 -19 nors caber is nice to have on hand.

Mehh, in your case what's one or two more pharmaceuticals in your bloodstream right?

[whitewidow]

Mehh, in your case what's one or two more pharmaceuticals in your bloodstream right?

Actually I don;t use many pharmaceutical drugs anymore. I used too. I still do use quite abit of stuff. Right now just 400mg of Test cyp, 2ml's of vitamin B shots every other day one ML in each delt, adex twice a week, 4mg of suboxone a day, 3-5 mg of xanax a day depends on my insomnia, soon I am adding my real harsh stack, will be running the following

Going to try a new generic HGH suposively 191-AA just 4 IU a day. stacking T4 100mcg with it
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Test cyp- 200mg-400mg a week
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Test prop- 100mg EOD to start then maybe 5 days a week
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NPP- 100mg EOD to start and will kick it up to 500mg if I feel ok on it
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Trenbolone acetate 100mg EOD to start-depending on sides I might go up to 500mg a week
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Masteron Prop 100mg EOd-- same deal depending on sides- I might go up to 500mg a week
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depending on how I feel I might throw in the Methyl-Trennbolone 1mg a day ED for 2-4 weeks
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1ml of Vitmain B complex in each delt every other day or every 3rd day.
arimidex .5-1mg EOD because it is liquid I might just use 1mg EOD, I also have liquid nolva wich does nothing till you totlly come off cycle. you can  use it on-cycle but arimidex is way better as a on cycle AI
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2-4mg of suboxone eod for painkiller and to stop any opiate cravings
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3-5mg of xanax ED for insomnia
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Trying to get ahold of some caber before I start but I still have a week so I'm not worried about it
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Milk thistle - 6 caps a day 250mg a cap, -ED
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Liv-52 ED
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Lots of water and a  shot of plain vinegar ED.
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Diet is going to be loaded with chicken breasts,99% fat free ground turkey, Lean NY steak a few times a week each meal will eat asparagus or sometimes spinach . Most of my carbs will be eaten before 6PM Oatmeal for breakfast , sweet potato for lunch, brown rice for pre-workout meal then one of the above listed meats in 8-10 oz portion like I said asparagus and sometimes spinach with every meal except breakfast, alot of plain yogurt, and a shitload of water!

[pharmacist]

no, its a normal restless legs medication just like caber

its just not that widespread

prami REALLY fucks with your sleep i heard. some people even get withdrawal symptoms...

it increases your GH output while sleeping by a huge margin though.

 I can help you with both products ...
Prami of course is cheaper. Dostinex/Cabergoline is expensive to say the least.
Did you guys ever considered Bromo ?

[Mawse]

had both prami and caber prescribed by my HRT doc to treat my 'prolactinoma'

my opinion - caber is far more potent but it did possibly drop my IGF1 a bit even @ a low dose. Then again that could well have been the tren itself playing havoc on my system.

absolutely NO IGF1/3/bp3 increase from Prami, suspect that's just broscience

[Jizmo]

had both prami and caber prescribed by my HRT doc to treat my 'prolactinoma'

my opinion - caber is far more potent but it did possibly drop my IGF1 a bit even @ a low dose. Then again that could well have been the tren itself playing havoc on my system.

absolutely NO IGF1/3/bp3 increase from Prami, suspect that's just broscience

HGH release doesnt mean IGF release.
i think prami increases GH output at night by like 500%.
still that doesnt matter if thats essentially only around for like 3 hours or so.

[Mawse]

HGH release doesnt mean IGF release.
i think prami increases GH output at night by like 500%.
still that doesnt matter if thats essentially only around for like 3 hours or so.

Hgh increasing to any meaningful degree should lead to a corresponding increase in igf1 ( unless you've broken that with tren or have cirrhosis or "DA liver" )

 for shits and giggles I'd like to see a hgh serum test done a few hours after taking a bro sized dose of prami

Caber is actually used to treat acromegaly and seriously lowers igf1 in far lower doses than most Bros are taking

[whitewidow]

anybody trust using liquid caber? I'm about to run 3 19-nors and I'm a little worried. I have adex but even that's liquid from purchase peptides,I also have nolva from extreme peptides. if you get puffy nips it seems like arimidex should be enough to control it why is everybody using caber and parmi these days nobody used to use those 2 drugs when they ran Tren. I have run Tren with no trouble as far as puffy nips but I didn;t run anymore 19-nors then the Tren ,like I said I'm going to run NPP and masteron so I'm a little worried but masteron is suppose to have a anti-E effect at least that's what the write-up claims I never noticed it when using mast.

You guys think adex should be enopough using 3 19-nors or should I really waste another couple hundred dollars and buy caber?everybody says not to buy liquid caber but I don't see why not purchase peptides gets decent raws. If anybody has any extra caber tabs-LMK-Ill buy a few if their legit.

[Jizmo]

Hgh increasing to any meaningful degree should lead to a corresponding increase in igf1 ( unless you've broken that with tren or have cirrhosis or "DA liver" )

 for shits and giggles I'd like to see a hgh serum test done a few hours after taking a bro sized dose of prami

Caber is actually used to treat acromegaly and seriously lowers igf1 in far lower doses than most Bros are taking

not necessarily. GHRP/GHRH increases GH by a huge huge margin (you can get GH readings above 50 easily) but only for a VERY short time and mostly leads to no meaningful increase in IGF...

its not the GH spike that counts but the length the GH is around


whitewidow get real caber. liquid caber is not stable and instantly starts degrading from what i read.
research companies also like to put cialis or some shit in because its cheaper and has "similar" side effects and some idiots cant tell the difference

[whitewidow]

not necessarily. GHRP/GHRH increases GH by a huge huge margin (you can get GH readings above 50 easily) but only for a VERY short time and mostly leads to no meaningful increase in IGF...

its not the GH spike that counts but the length the GH is around


whitewidow get real caber. liquid caber is not stable and instantly starts degrading from what i read.
research companies also like to put cialis or some shit in because its cheaper and has "similar" side effects and some idiots cant tell the difference

I know alot about old school AAS and Anti-E's but this caber and prami is kind of new to me! I never had people telling me to make sure to run caber if I ran Tren! I never had a problem in the past I just used adex,letro or aromasin(not all 3 but whatever I had on hand then I used Nolva post cycle)

 if needed but this is the first time I will be running 3 x 19-Nors so I am a little worried! I don't want leaky nipples! shouldn't Arimidex and Nolva be enough if this problem happens what makes caber so special?

I have never run caber before! I understand it's always best to have as many anti-E's on hand but for that 8 tabs of caber I could buy a kit of HGH so just need to know from the real old school experienced guys who have been using for 10 years if caber is a must if your running 3 x 19-nors? My guess is there are alot of old-school guys who don't fuck with caber but still use Tren,Deca and masteron plus I'm using Testosterone cyp and Test prop but only about 700-800mg a week of Test the 19 nors will add up to 900mg in the beginning weeks but at about week 4 or 5 in I  want to be at about 2 grams of 19-nors and Test even ratio just the 19-nors will be made up of mast,Tren and NPP. caber really 110% necessary? I have gotten puffy nipples one time where it bothered me besides that I have been fine and that was because it was a first cycle.

[Jizmo]

AIs do nothing for prolactin

19nors can increase prolactin... people say prolactin cant get high as long as you keep estrogen low, but in the 1g test range its IMPOSSIBLE to keep your estrogen "low"... itll always be in the high reference range or above no matter how much AI you use. not even letro.

if youre prone to prolactin sides you will definitely need caber with 3 nors together. actually with 2 already..

prolactin can cause leaky tits and gyno. puffy nips may also be related to prolactin but i dont know, like every second guy has them since puberty and puffy nips are not gyno.

[whitewidow]

AIs do nothing for prolactin

19nors can increase prolactin... people say prolactin cant get high as long as you keep estrogen low, but in the 1g test range its IMPOSSIBLE to keep your estrogen "low"... itll always be in the high reference range or above no matter how much AI you use. not even letro.

if youre prone to prolactin sides you will definitely need caber with 3 nors together. actually with 2 already..

prolactin can cause leaky tits and gyno. puffy nips may also be related to prolactin but i dont know, like every second guy has them since puberty and puffy nips are not gyno.

I thought I had gyno once but the guy who was watching over my cycle he was 53 and very experienced with juice tld me it was not GYNO! He laughed his ass off because of how stressed out I was. he said it wasn;t gyno at all just a tad bit puffy but not ven close towhat gyno really looks like. I don;t even want puffy nips! it wouls suck if my full body finally looed dry top from bottom but I had some puffy nips! that would ruin everything even though it isn't gyno.I guess I will go for the caber! Fuck! I'll talk to a few guys who help my with my diet and drugs and a guy who I train with and see what they think. They are all long time users. To my knowledge masteron already has some anti-E propertys! I have rub masteron bfore and it made me real grainy and I didn't use anything while on cycle just post cycle. But I know the NPP and tren is what I am worried about id ppay the money to avoid any gyno symptoms!better to be smart then waste this kind of cash!

Ill just wit an extra 10-12 days and wait for some caber from overseas.

[Jizmo]

I thought I had gyno once but the guy who was watching over my cycle he was 53 and very experienced with juice tld me it was not GYNO! He laughed his ass off because of how stressed out I was. he said it wasn;t gyno at all just a tad bit puffy but not ven close towhat gyno really looks like. I don;t even want puffy nips! it wouls suck if my full body finally looed dry top from bottom but I had some puffy nips! that would ruin everything even though it isn't gyno.I guess I will go for the caber! Fuck! I'll talk to a few guys who help my with my diet and drugs and a guy who I train with and see what they think. They are all long time users. To my knowledge masteron already has some anti-E propertys! I have rub masteron bfore and it made me real grainy and I didn't use anything while on cycle just post cycle. But I know the NPP and tren is what I am worried about id ppay the money to avoid any gyno symptoms!better to be smart then waste this kind of cash!

Ill just wit an extra 10-12 days and wait for some caber from overseas.

prolactin takes time to build up... i think youll be fine starting the cycle and getting some caber in the meanwhile.
you might not need it, but id definitely have it on hand. you dont need to run it as precaution though, it acts pretty quickly and you can just use it when you really need it

that being said, i started lactating within 3 days of my first 50mg tren ace pin, lol
never really had gyno problems though, just a bit lactation that instantly comes and never goes away as long as im on tren no matter how hard i blast AIs and caber

doesnt really worry me though since its only tiny drops coming out when you squeeze the nipple hard

oh well i guess you get used to all kinds of weird shit as an AAS user lol

[Mawse]

you can run caber for a few weeks to get prolactin down, then come off for a few more weeks. Prolactin will take a while to creep back up above normal range


I did one month on, one off to minimize the effects of being on yet-another-drug , I noticed after 3-4 weeks my prolactin was back to above high-normal

[whitewidow]

prolactin takes time to build up... i think youll be fine starting the cycle and getting some caber in the meanwhile.
you might not need it, but id definitely have it on hand. you dont need to run it as precaution though, it acts pretty quickly and you can just use it when you really need it

that being said, i started lactating within 3 days of my first 50mg tren ace pin, lol
never really had gyno problems though, just a bit lactation that instantly comes and never goes away as long as im on tren no matter how hard i blast AIs and caber

doesnt really worry me though since its only tiny drops coming out when you squeeze the nipple hard

oh well i guess you get used to all kinds of weird shit as an AAS user lol

That sounds pretty bad but you claim even with the caber you still would of lactated?  I still have some time to get a few products together I'll just cruise on Test for a few weeks till I get every single thing I could possibly need. I always preach don't skimp on Anti-E's you could need so I can't be a hypocrite. I will just hold the cycle off a few weeks.

[Jizmo]

That sounds pretty bad but you claim even with the caber you still would of lactated?  I still have some time to get a few products together I'll just cruise on Test for a few weeks till I get every single thing I could possibly need. I always preach don't skimp on Anti-E's you could need so I can't be a hypocrite. I will just hold the cycle off a few weeks.

yeah idk, maybe i would need to blast 3mg a week to get rid of lactation lol

its not really lactation, its basically tiny grey blobs of fluid coming out when you squeeze the nipple. smaller than a drip of sweat.
when you squeeze your pores after a workout then sweat comes out, its very similar just that its a greyish liquid doesnt bother me at all..

however ive seen guys shooting milk out their titties or leaking liquid from just touching the chest with a dumbbell or so and i definitely would NOT want that lol
it basically only happens when you force it. like squeezing a zit

[whitewidow]

yeah idk, maybe i would need to blast 3mg a week to get rid of lactation lol

its not really lactation, its basically tiny grey blobs of fluid coming out when you squeeze the nipple. smaller than a drip of sweat.
when you squeeze your pores after a workout then sweat comes out, its very similar just that its a greyish liquid doesnt bother me at all..

however ive seen guys shooting milk out their titties or leaking liquid from just touching the chest with a dumbbell or so and i definitely would NOT want that lol
it basically only happens when you force it. like squeezing a zit

I have heard about it guys squezing out like a black type subtsance. You should save up and get that surgery Bostin lloyd got where they remove those glands so aftre the surgery it is impossible to lacteate or get gyno but it is spendy 6,000$ USD. Nothing I would do because I don't compete and use 15 grams a week like bostin does but it sounds individual based! I bet some guys could get away with not using barely any AI's or caber and have no issues at all while one guy like you for example will lactate right away after shoting just a little Tren.

You look very lean in your Avatar I wouldn't think you would have that kind of issue. Everybody is diffrent. the only time I had some trouble with Irritated nipples was my first cycle but my nips mainly just felt itchy, all my other cycles I never had any problems with my nipples or gyno ,lactating , they did get a tad puffy sometimes but they felt fine and it wasn;t gyno just water retention,one good dose of letro or adex and my nipples would not look puffy anymore.

[Jizmo]

I have heard about it guys squezing out like a black type subtsance. You should save up and get that surgery Bostin lloyd got where they remove those glands so aftre the surgery it is impossible to lacteate or get gyno but it is spendy 6,000$ USD. Nothing I would do because I don't compete and use 15 grams a week like bostin does but it sounds individual based! I bet some guys could get away with not using barely any AI's or caber and have no issues at all while one guy like you for example will lactate right away after shoting just a little Tren.

You look very lean in your Avatar I wouldn't think you would have that kind of issue. Everybody is diffrent. the only time I had some trouble with Irritated nipples was my first cycle but my nips mainly just felt itchy, all my other cycles I never had any problems with my nipples or gyno ,lactating , they did get a tad puffy sometimes but they felt fine and it wasn;t gyno just water retention,one good dose of letro or adex and my nipples would not look puffy anymore.

yeah im 7-8% currently but i usually get up to 12-13% while bulking

why should i get surgery... makes no sense to me im not having gyno problems at all. i probably could blast the lactation that comes with tren away with high doses of cabergoline, but why should i. its just another medication with potential health issues.

its not like anyone ever noticed anything with my chest or anyone WOULD ever notice unless i wanted them too 

[AlphaGyno]

Actually I don;t use many pharmaceutical drugs anymore.

2-4mg of suboxone eod for painkiller and to stop any opiate cravings

3-5mg of xanax ED for insomnia

in before pics of oxycodone bottles and copious amounts of alpha pharma gear 

[whitewidow]

in before pics of oxycodone bottles and copious amounts of alpha pharma gear 

Those picturees I said were 2.5 years old!I still have Alpha-Pharma gear but it is a new batch! and no I don't use anything except for xanax to sleep. i did use some painkillers after my car accident and I was on them for along time but now I only take suboxone in  small dose for pain killer and it has naloxone in it to keep you from craving opiate based pills.

[AlphaGyno]

Those picturees I said were 2.5 years old!I still have Alpha-Pharma gear but it is a new batch! and no I don't use anything except for xanax to sleep. i did use some painkillers after my car accident and I was on them for along time but now I only take suboxone in  small dose for pain killer and it has naloxone in it to keep you from craving opiate based pills.

5mg of xanax to "sleep"??

[whitewidow]

5mg of xanax to "sleep"??

I use 1-2mg before I do my injections because it relaxes your muscles and you don't really feel shit when your on xanax! I do 4 shots on shooting days wich is EOD. I usually do 1.5 cc in each glute and I shoot that new Vitamin B-complex I got,  they come in 2ml amps so i just shoot the whole amps. I use 2 x25 gauge x1-INCH pins and load 1ml in each pin and shoot the Vitamin B-complex in each shoulder and use a 22 gauge 1.5- Inch pin and shoot 1ml-1.5ml in each glute(hip) area. The xanax just really relaxes my muscles so I get no pain or PIP at all! Then after I train and eat and shower I take 3mg of xanax to sleep for insomnia purposes. I do still get it prescribed.

sorry for rambling but no not 5mg all at once i do split them up and use 1-2mg before my inejctions and then 3 mg before bed. On the days i don;t shoot I usually just use 3mg before bed.
Once i start this cycle i am going to be using alot of Trenbolone acetate and Methyl-Tren plus NPP,Masteron, Test prop,Test cyp,Vitamin B complex injects, HGH so I will be using 5mg a day. It sounds like alot to most people and it is alot but it's a cutt for me! I used to use 6-7mg a day!

Main thing is that I don't use more then 1-2mg before I train wich I don't except if I do injections before I train then I do use 1-2 mg before I train but it dosn't slow me down like it would with somebody with no tolerance. I am going to get bad Tren-Insomnia once I start this up-coming cycle plus I will be doing alot of shots everyday so i will be using 5mg a day once I get my HGH and a few other things i am waiting on. I will snap a picture of my cycle before I run it.

[AlphaGyno]

I use 1-2mg before I do my injections because it relaxes your muscles and you don't really feel shit when your on xanax! I do 4 shots on shooting days wich is EOD. I usually do 1.5 cc in each glute and I shoot that new Vitamin B-complex I got,  they come in 2ml amps so i just shoot the whole amps. I use 2 x25 gauge x1-INCH pins and load 1ml in each pin and shoot the Vitamin B-complex in each shoulder and use a 22 gauge 1.5- Inch pin and shoot 1ml-1.5ml in each glute(hip) area. The xanax just really relaxes my muscles so I get no pain or PIP at all! Then after I train and eat and shower I take 3mg of xanax to sleep for insomnia purposes. I do still get it prescribed.

sorry for rambling but no not 5mg all at once i do split them up and use 1-2mg before my inejctions and then 3 mg before bed. On the days i don;t shoot I usually just use 3mg before bed.
Once i start this cycle i am going to be using alot of Trenbolone acetate and Methyl-Tren plus NPP,Masteron, Test prop,Test cyp,Vitamin B complex injects, HGH so I will be using 5mg a day. It sounds like alot to most people and it is alot but it's a cutt for me! I used to use 6-7mg a day!

Main thing is that I don't use more then 1-2mg before I train wich I don't except if I do injections before I train then I do use 1-2 mg before I train but it dosn't slow me down like it would with somebody with no tolerance. I am going to get bad Tren-Insomnia once I start this up-coming cycle plus I will be doing alot of shots everyday so i will be using 5mg a day once I get my HGH and a few other things i am waiting on. I will snap a picture of my cycle before I run it.

So you take at least 3mg xanax a day in order to sleep and inject steroids.

[whitewidow]

So you take at least 3mg xanax a day in order to sleep and inject steroids.

no 5mg a day. 1-2 mg before I do my injections. Right now I do all my injections at the same time wich is usally 4 injections but once i start using HGH when it comes and using short acting esters plus the vitamin B complex and who knows what else I'll decide to use I might be doing up to 7-10 shots a day. so Yes 1-2mg before I do injections and train and 3 mg before bed.