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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2014, 11:33:58 PM »
Their reputation for corner cutting so precedes them that western companies make a point of reassuring buyers with labels like "Made in China to our exacting standards."  No one says "Made in Germany but we kept a close eye on those shifty krauts so it's ok, we promise."

Their economy is a runaway train.  They have to cut corners (usually materials quality since it's hard to spot).  If they don't there are a million other squinty little bastards lined up who will and the quality producer who used the more expensive means to make something good is out of business.  Sure, there's no such thing as perfection.  West or East, a maker is going to balance product quality against cost.  Same as anywhere, except today's China is the pressure cooker version.  

To say they make cheap & nasty at the bottom end and excellent quality at the top end is simplistic.  What they do is make stuff that's barely, barely good enough (but not quite) for the level of quality stipulated.  Barely/almost good enough for cheap & nasty and barely/almost good enough for higher standards.  Again, if you don't then the next guy will.  That's not the same as balancing cost and quality.  It's a lowest common denominator level of workmanship.  That is why you get the lowest possible quality for your price range from Chinese products.  Add the smiling western salesman's markup and you are absolutely not getting what you're paying for from China.


I would absolutely agree with your point about cutting corners, I would also never compare the workmanship of the Germans against the Chinese. For the chinese to produce the same would require, as you say, somebody to stand over them to ensure that corners are not cut.As we have seen from the countless counterfeits and contamination in every time of product from food to children toys, there are plenty of people who are happy to cut corners even in the most riskiest areas.

Whilst I would agree the Germans have pride in their manufacturing, there are perfect examples where they have sold out and "with someone standing over them" opted not to produce quality. The Daimler-Chrysler partnership is the perfect example, when Chrysler got involved, the CEO from Chrysler at the time said that Mercedes was over-engineering their cars. Said it was unnecessary and eating into profit (despite the fact Mercedes was still profitable) by removing this so-called over engineering we can make more money. This American had no appreciated for what is one of the main reasons why people and especially Germans buy Mercs, they buy it for the "over-engineering". Still Mercedes choose to follow his advice and build quality nose-dived. Sales were affected as they lowered the quality, but in the following years they did just enough to address this, and we have what we have today, a company producing cars that are a tinny, plastic shadow of what they used to be. The B and M class made in Mexico with a poor reliability rating. Manufacturing facilities opening in China

However the point I am trying to make is that they are both capable of producing all levels of quality depending on what "orders" come down from above.  They have both the technical capacity and the intellectual stock to do this....if they want. These "squinty little bastards" as you call them can choose to produce quality if they want. Just like us "White faced barbarians" can choose not to sell our soul for profit every time, and go for the cheapest option.


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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2014, 01:08:20 AM »
They probably think it's hilarious that we look perpetually startled.

"Imagine how wide their eyes will get when the engine falls out of the tractor!  Bahaha!!"  ;D

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2014, 02:24:48 AM »


 Learn the language, or stay out of the game.

So what? Have you been to China? Just because you can speak Chinese doesn't mean they will fuck you around to save money or make more money anyway they can in many cases.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2014, 04:29:12 AM »
I would absolutely agree with your point about cutting corners, I would also never compare the workmanship of the Germans against the Chinese. For the chinese to produce the same would require, as you say, somebody to stand over them to ensure that corners are not cut.As we have seen from the countless counterfeits and contamination in every time of product from food to children toys, there are plenty of people who are happy to cut corners even in the most riskiest areas.

Whilst I would agree the Germans have pride in their manufacturing, there are perfect examples where they have sold out and "with someone standing over them" opted not to produce quality. The Daimler-Chrysler partnership is the perfect example, when Chrysler got involved, the CEO from Chrysler at the time said that Mercedes was over-engineering their cars. Said it was unnecessary and eating into profit (despite the fact Mercedes was still profitable) by removing this so-called over engineering we can make more money. This American had no appreciated for what is one of the main reasons why people and especially Germans buy Mercs, they buy it for the "over-engineering". Still Mercedes choose to follow his advice and build quality nose-dived. Sales were affected as they lowered the quality, but in the following years they did just enough to address this, and we have what we have today, a company producing cars that are a tinny, plastic shadow of what they used to be. The B and M class made in Mexico with a poor reliability rating. Manufacturing facilities opening in China

However the point I am trying to make is that they are both capable of producing all levels of quality depending on what "orders" come down from above.  They have both the technical capacity and the intellectual stock to do this....if they want. These "squinty little bastards" as you call them can choose to produce quality if they want. Just like us "White faced barbarians" can choose not to sell our soul for profit every time, and go for the cheapest option.


Auto makers are always going up and down with their quality.

It's a generational cycle, where a brand gets such a good reputation for quality there is no actual need to produce at that benchmark. Than a generation later they fall back in the pack, again going on a major rebranding phase.

IF you look at the stats for the big 3 you'll see this as a continual pattern.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2014, 02:55:12 AM »
     Time magazine mentioned China's ascendancy and said that when we speak of China, we will be talking in superlatives.  That is, we will be using words like fastest, tallest, biggest, farthest, heaviest, lightest, etc. when we refer to China.  Truly the twentieth century was the American century with our country making the biggest impact on the world.  The twenty-first century may be the Century of China.  
     China produces far more engineers, scientists and medical personnel than we do--or at least the potential for more--and they are the third country in the world to send people into space.  If they continue to progress as they are doing, they might reach the planet Mars before we do.  Chinese are known for their abilities in science, engineering, and medicine to say nothing of their talents in art, music, and athletics.  And don't forget their business acumen.  They have a number of billionaires already, and with their  risk-taking they might shake up the world as they influence countries' economies and financial markets.
      China was once a sad country bullied by Western powers and Japan and taken advantage of and carved up to suit others' needs.  No longer.  Mao's ragtag army drove out the Nationalists from China; and in the Korean war, while North Koreans were retreating,  China entered the war and held the United Nations' forces to a stalemate.  That's how strong China has become.  Time magazine mentioned that China is building a missile that can be fired from China and reach as far as Hawaii.  If they build one that can go as far as our West Coast cities, we would be vulnerable.
     If China remains a peaceful, non-aggressive, cooperative country, it can do wonders for the world.  But if not, China could become a worrisome country.
     By the way, the rules of this forum are that no racist language be used.  Therefore, do not use the words "Chinaman" and "Chink" when referring to Chinese.  The dictionaries refer to those words as derogatory and offensive.
      

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2014, 03:57:40 AM »


 Learn the language, or stay out of the game.

lol at filling the gaps in sentence with 'uhm' even when you speak chinese, not impressed

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2014, 05:17:14 AM »
    Time magazine mentioned China's ascendancy and said that when we speak of China, we will be talking in superlatives.  That is, we will be using words like fastest, tallest, biggest, farthest, heaviest, lightest, etc. when we refer to China.  Truly the twentieth century was the American century with our country making the biggest impact on the world.  The twenty-first century may be the Century of China.  
     China produces far more engineers, scientists and medical personnel than we do--or at least the potential for more--and they are the third country in the world to send people into space.  If they continue to progress as they are doing, they might reach the planet Mars before we do.  Chinese are known for their abilities in science, engineering, and medicine to say nothing of their talents in art, music, and athletics.  And don't forget their business acumen.  They have a number of billionaires already, and with their  risk-taking they might shake up the world as they influence countries' economies and financial markets.
      China was once a sad country bullied by Western powers and Japan and taken advantage of and carved up to suit others' needs.  No longer.  Mao's ragtag army drove out the Nationalists from China; and in the Korean war, while North Koreans were retreating,  China entered the war and held the United Nations' forces to a stalemate.  That's how strong China has become.  Time magazine mentioned that China is building a missile that can be fired from China and reach as far as Hawaii.  If they build one that can go as far as our West Coast cities, we would be vulnerable.
     If China remains a peaceful, non-aggressive, cooperative country, it can do wonders for the world.  But if not, China could become a worrisome country.
     By the way, the rules of this forum are that no racist language be used.  Therefore, do not use the words "Chinaman" and "Chink" when referring to Chinese.  The dictionaries refer to those words as derogatory and offensive.
      

Good post..

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2014, 08:02:57 AM »
By the way, the rules of this forum are that no racist language be used.  Therefore, do not use the words "Chinaman" and "Chink" when referring to Chinese.  The dictionaries refer to those words as derogatory and offensive.
      

Oriental identified.

What do you call a guy from England?  An Englishman.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2014, 08:26:53 AM »
    Time magazine mentioned China's ascendancy and said that when we speak of China, we will be talking in superlatives.  That is, we will be using words like fastest, tallest, biggest, farthest, heaviest, lightest, etc. when we refer to China.  Truly the twentieth century was the American century with our country making the biggest impact on the world.  The twenty-first century may be the Century of China.  
     China produces far more engineers, scientists and medical personnel than we do--or at least the potential for more--and they are the third country in the world to send people into space.  If they continue to progress as they are doing, they might reach the planet Mars before we do.  Chinese are known for their abilities in science, engineering, and medicine to say nothing of their talents in art, music, and athletics.  And don't forget their business acumen.  They have a number of billionaires already, and with their  risk-taking they might shake up the world as they influence countries' economies and financial markets.
      China was once a sad country bullied by Western powers and Japan and taken advantage of and carved up to suit others' needs.  No longer.  Mao's ragtag army drove out the Nationalists from China; and in the Korean war, while North Koreans were retreating,  China entered the war and held the United Nations' forces to a stalemate.  That's how strong China has become.  Time magazine mentioned that China is building a missile that can be fired from China and reach as far as Hawaii.  If they build one that can go as far as our West Coast cities, we would be vulnerable.
     If China remains a peaceful, non-aggressive, cooperative country, it can do wonders for the world.  But if not, China could become a worrisome country.
     By the way, the rules of this forum are that no racist language be used.  Therefore, do not use the words "Chinaman" and "Chink" when referring to Chinese.  The dictionaries refer to those words as derogatory and offensive.
      
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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2014, 08:42:48 AM »

Oriental identified.

What do you call a guy from England?  An Englishman.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2014, 08:43:11 AM »
my grandfather user to say that the yellow skin people will rule one day, be careful of them, they're sneaky and will assimilate to then just take over.  Seems to be just right.  America is so blinded by the money the asians are spending they can't see what's truly happening.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2014, 09:03:32 AM »
scabbard is there a chink in your armor of butthurt?
Time magazine said.... bla, bla, bla - you fucking homo must be 14 year old.
India is producing a large quantity of highly educated people and China most likely takes the big manufacturing plant role.
But like Mr. Wang used to say... "Size isn't everything"

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2014, 09:41:27 AM »
scabbard is there a chink in your armor of butthurt?
Time magazine said.... bla, bla, bla - you fucking homo must be 14 year old.
India is producing a large quantity of educated people and China most likely takes the big manufacturing plant role.
But like Mr. Wang used to say... "Size isn't everything"



fixed, don't beleive the bullshit, they aren't as highly educated as you think.  Most are sending their kids here to be truly Highly educated.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2014, 10:25:28 AM »
fixed, don't beleive the bullshit, they aren't as highly educated as you think.  Most are sending their kids here to be truly Highly educated.

Lol.  Joke on them!

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2014, 11:29:43 AM »
You have 93mil not looking for jobs. Fries anyone? Lol

Another delusional liberal. Haha. Obama is a complete waste of space. Lol

please send him here.

we'll have the waste of space.

seriously you dont know how good you got it. from afar, obama has royally kicked the butt of the past presidents.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2014, 12:05:17 PM »
fixed, don't beleive the bullshit, they aren't as highly educated as you think.  Most are sending their kids here to be truly Highly educated.

They have a good deal of IT people - and I do not mean Ramsi, a bicycle and a headset for the MS Office hotline.
More like software developers and engineers... they're a lot of folks and even of only a handful are good relative to their populace size... that's a big handful.

Maybe things never change and the breakthrough stuff will always be western made - like the Pentium who has roots at Intel/Israel... imagine being an arab with a pentium based PC surfing porn...

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2014, 12:10:31 PM »
Indians and Asians aren't any smarter than the average white person.  The difference is when Timmy comes home from school, he'll spend 2 hours on XBOX, 1 hour on facebook, 20 minutes on homework and 1 hour furiously masturbating.  When Chang or Ranjeev come home, they study for one hour, then study some more, eat for 3 minutes, study some more, spend 20 seconds masturbating and studying some more.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2014, 01:35:58 AM »

Oriental identified.

What do you call a guy from England?  An Englishman.

Don't lose face by asking everyone to kow-tow.

Then you should call a man from China a Chineseman.  Notice the difference?  In the case of an Englishman, Frenchman, Irishman, etc., you're using an adjective (English, French, Irish) and noun together; in the case of "Chinaman," you're using a noun (the country China, not the adjective Chinese) and a noun.

But more importantly one should know the origin of Chinaman, and it's not a pretty picture.  When they came to the West, they were belittled and bullied and called Chinamen as a sign of disrespect; such terms as "Ching Chong Chinaman" and "Chinaman's chance" were bandied about to sow the seeds of hatred toward Chinese.

Marvin Belli, a noted tort lawyer in San Francisco, once said,  "Some of my best friends are Chinamen."  To which a young Chinese American lawyer replied,  "Then you must not have Chinese friends.  A friend of Chinese would never use the contemptuous, insulting and disparaging word Chinamen."

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2014, 02:01:58 AM »
Indians and Asians aren't any smarter than the average white person.  The difference is when Timmy comes home from school, he'll spend 2 hours on XBOX, 1 hour on facebook, 20 minutes on homework and 1 hour furiously masturbating.  When Chang or Ranjeev come home, they study for one hour, then study some more, eat for 3 minutes, study some more, spend 20 seconds masturbating and studying some more.

I don't know; it could be innate.  Chinese produce a lot of child prodigies, as do Jews and Indians.  I'm not very good at math, and once I spent almost half an hour trying to figure out one math problem in high school.  I just couldn't figure it out; I just gave up.  In the class this Chinese student got the answer right, and he was the only one to do so.  The teacher asked him to explain how he got the answer, and he just ran through it as if it were easy as pie.  While the rest of us looked envious and askance, we realized that we couldn't compete with him; he was a math genius.

Also in high school, I took an art class, and the teacher once told the class "Chinese make good artists."  I recall that there were some white students who were good artists, but I think the teacher discovered a preponderance of Chinese students that were really good, so she made that statement based on her experience.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2014, 02:02:30 AM »
Settle down, Grasshopper.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2014, 03:14:07 AM »
Then you should call a man from China a Chineseman.  Notice the difference?  In the case of an Englishman, Frenchman, Irishman, etc., you're using an adjective (English, French, Irish) and noun together; in the case of "Chinaman," you're using a noun (the country China, not the adjective Chinese) and a noun.

But more importantly one should know the origin of Chinaman, and it's not a pretty picture.  When they came to the West, they were belittled and bullied and called Chinamen as a sign of disrespect; such terms as "Ching Chong Chinaman" and "Chinaman's chance" were bandied about to sow the seeds of hatred toward Chinese.

Marvin Belli, a noted tort lawyer in San Francisco, once said,  "Some of my best friends are Chinamen."  To which a young Chinese American lawyer replied,  "Then you must not have Chinese friends.  A friend of Chinese would never use the contemptuous, insulting and disparaging word Chinamen."
Back to work, Coolie. The railroad ain't gonna build itself, ya know.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2014, 08:43:02 AM »
China is officially No 1 with economy worth $17,6 trillion, while US economy is worth $17,4 trillion.
Only 15 years ago US economy was almost 3 times bigger than Chinese.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/official-america-now-no-2-150936444.html

Was a good run.  They'll never recover.

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2014, 02:06:28 PM »
The US economy is based on selling cheap chinese products for profit, the china economy is based on making those cheap products.  They are in bed together.  Without the other they both would have economies that just collapse.

Agreed.


If you believe the 'official' economic numbers coming from China I've got a bridge to sell you.

Agreed.


1.  China cooks the books
2.  We all heard this same stuff about Japan in the 80s.  Look at Japan now.
3.  All the newly wealthy Chinese are moving to USA and Canada because they can't trust China.

Agreed. They actually need us more than we need them.




Please explain what Obama has to do with the Dow and GDP growth?

We were in a recession when he was elected and took office - things always improve after a recession.

The Fed has been printing money and sitting on rates for 6 years since then, which is why the market is up past its pre-recession high of 7 years ago. Money is cheap, and retired people who previously invested trillions into bonds for income must now invest in dividend-paying stocks to get a decent return on their money to live on.

This admin has increased taxes and regs to nightmarish levels - the post-recession recovery has been the slowest since WW2 because of that.

18 trillion in debt in a zero-interest rate environment. 50 million in poverty and 50 million now on food stamps - both have roughly doubled since he took office.

New taxes:
http://www.atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996




The jobless rate is steady at 5.8 percent, the stock market's roaring, the housing market is stirring and the rescued auto industry is motoring.

Gas is down to $2.71 a gallon, according to an American Automobile Association average, leaving a little extra cash for families this Christmas.

So far this year, over the first 11 months of 2014, our economy has created 2.65 million jobs
That's more than in any entire year since the 1990s. Our businesses have now created 10.9 million jobs over the past 57 months in a row. And that's the longest streak of private sector job growth on record


THANK YOU , MR, PRESIDENT

Now you're crediting him for the price of a barrel of oil? I can't believe how many people on this site are so clueless. This is why so few people are rich and people like Obama get elected twice right here.

You do know he wants to raise the gasoline tax, right?

Net jobs are down since he took office.


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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2014, 05:12:39 PM »
Walk into Walmart and look how fat America's poor people are...It's basically impossible to starve in America unless you can't walk or are a tiny child with a crackhead parent...

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Re: After some 150 years US is officially No2 economy in the world
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2014, 08:24:43 PM »
Careful now.

Does anyone else look at this pic and see a Chinese Vince G?

On a note related to the thread a bit more it is not necessarily a matter of us vs them, there is an underlying globalist agenda at work.