Apartheid - is it time America?

[freespirit]

[freespirit]

[Rhino]

Blacks kill whites 4 x as much in the U.S. For whites it's: "Am I next x 4" ... if you live in the U.S. Whites should also be saying: "Stop  the genocide" no more Blacks murdering and maiming whites for their skin colour.

[Griffith]

I think the long-term solution would be ensuring
better levels of compulsory education and a more disciplined
school system with better funding.
 

[Irongrip400]

Irongrip400

you expressed an interest in the recent history of Haiti so a short summary was provided.

Did you understand it?

Would you like something clarified?

Apparently you have some thoughts on Germany in this context so I'm eager to understand exactly what those thoughts are.  

Look forward to hearing from you!

I was more making the comparison between being a bankrupt nation, burdened by reperations, and rising from the ashes to enjoy success. It had nothing to do with race, Ben, just an observation of that Country in general. DR is in much better shape, and is on the same piece of earth. If there were other factors, please elaborate, as I enjoy learning about happenings of the past from other points of view. I may have just made a sweeping generalization by quoting your post, and it may have been the wrong one, but you seemed to be blaming their economic  problems on issues they had with Colonial France. Don't get me wrong, I think it's sad that people are eating dirt, it breaks my heart, but you need to blame the corruption in government that allows the few in power to line their pockets on the misfortune of others. Be well friend.


OP, to answer your question, yes. 

[mr.turbo]

I was more making the comparison between being a bankrupt nation, burdened by reperations, and rising from the ashes to enjoy success. It had nothing to do with race, Ben, just an observation of that Country in general. DR is in much better shape, and is on the same piece of earth. If there were other factors, please elaborate, as I enjoy learning about happenings of the past from other points of view. I may have just made a sweeping generalization by quoting your post, and it may have been the wrong one, but you seemed to be blaming their economic  problems on issues they had with Colonial France. Don't get me wrong, I think it's sad that people are eating dirt, it breaks my heart, but you need to blame the corruption in government that allows the few in power to line their pockets on the misfortune of others. Be well friend.


OP, to answer your question, yes. 

I find the comparison to Germany highly irregular and strange. It really makes me want to know how one could arrive at this judgement because it's very hard to find a more different country...I guess it was a misunderstanding.

If you think its appropriate for large powerful nations to steal from tiny weak nations thats your prerogative too.

With respect to assigning blame to the corrupt government, I agree completely.

now here comes the hard part, you may want to sit down, have a coffee or a cupcake...

Noticing who exactly installed the corrupt government and who exactly supports it to this day 

...but we have to suffer with the reality distortion force field effect which seems to be incurable. Good luck bro! 

[Tapeworm]

New uniform proposed for The Washington Generals.

[Griffith]

Just read an article that Cape Town won an award by the Telegraph newspaper as the worlds best city and the response from some blacks is that it's the 'world's most racist' and an 'Apartheid city'   
 

[Galvatron]

It's whites and everyone who is victimized by the chimps who should be protesting against the negroe society in america. They, themselves are the problem. They cost taxpayers and normal citizens massive amounts of money and make large parts of the US unsafe.

[mr.turbo]

Just read an article that Cape Town won an award by the Telegraph newspaper as the worlds best city and the response from some blacks is that it's the 'world's most racist' and an 'Apartheid city'   
 

Do you know anything about the facts?

fill us in

[muscleman-2013]

White America, look what is happening to white Africans. 

[thegamechanger]

Just read an article that Cape Town won an award by the Telegraph newspaper as the worlds best city and the response from some blacks is that it's the 'world's most racist' and an 'Apartheid city'   
 

maybe they speak from personal experience

[muscleman-2013]

Just read an article that Cape Town won an award by the Telegraph newspaper as the worlds best city and the response from some blacks is that it's the 'world's most racist' and an 'Apartheid city'   
 

I thought it was a genocide on whites over there.  How is it an apartheid city?  They don't feel they've raped enough white children this year?  Haven't raped and butchered enough pregnant women in the last 12 months?  What is their dissatisfaction this Christmas?

[Griffith]

I thought it was a genocide on whites over there.  How is it an apartheid city?  They don't feel they've raped enough white children this year?  Haven't raped and butchered enough pregnant women in the last 12 months?  What is their dissatisfaction this Christmas?

Because Cape Town and the surrounding Province
and most of its cities are ruled by the opposition
party and not the black ANC .

[SuperTed]

Good point...but remember, Japan and Germany didn't do it on their own...they had MASSIVE American financial help....Also in th case of Japan, America practiacally ran the country for a few years after WWII...so the U.S. was able to build up their institutions until they could function on their own..remember..black Americans and American Indians were prevented BY LAW from building up the same

Fair enough. But out of curiosity, do you think people of all races could all become as equally as successful as one another if they were given equal opportunities?
For instance, do you believe that the Aborigines in Australia, if provided with enough wealth and resources, would be capable of building a highly advanced civilization, akin to the Germans or Japanese?

[andreisdaman]

Fair enough. But out of curiosity, do you think people of all races could all become as equally as successful as one another if they were given equal opportunities?
For instance, do you believe that the Aborigines in Australia, if provided with enough wealth and resources, would be capable of building a highly advanced civilization, akin to the Germans or Japanese?

Would be difficult at this juncture....because they have so much catching up to do....but I believe given enough resources and the committment and will to make it happen, it could....but the problem is, its very difficult to make that type of change if the the population who is on top refuses to go along with it....or is sincere in their efforts to make that change happen....first off the dominant population has to admit there is a problem and must come to grips that THEY caused or instigated it.....it simply cannot be a coincidnece that EVERYWHERE Europeans have gone, genocide has occurred...South America with the Aztecs, Tainos, etc.....North America with the American Indians and Blacks.....Australia with the aborigines....Even the Nazis and what they did to the rest of Europe and the Jews....What I'd like to know is what is it about the European character that creates the mindset for these types of massacres and genocides to occur??

[muscleman-2013]

Would be difficult at this juncture....because they have so much catching up to do....but I believe given enough resources and the committment and will to make it happen, it could....but the problem is, its very difficult to make that type of change if the the population who is on top refuses to go along with it....or is sincere in their efforts to make that change happen....first off the dominant population has to admit there is a problem and must come to grips that THEY caused or instigated it.....it simply cannot be a coincidnece that EVERYWHERE Europeans have gone, genocide has occurred...South America with the Aztecs, Tainos, etc.....North America with the American Indians and Blacks.....Australia with the aborigines....Even the Nazis and what they did to the rest of Europe and the Jews....What I'd like to know is what is it about the European character that creates the mindset for these types of massacres and genocides to occur??

You're hilarious, delusional and probably a liar.  You do realize that much of Europe's social/scientific advances occurred long before they came into contact with Aborigine or African peoples.  

Tell me about the advances the Aborigines were making before they met the white man?  I'm REALLY interested!


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Oh and you are a massive racist.  Blacks and Asians have been behind some of the greatest genocides on earth.  You DO know this don't you...?       It is a UNIVERSAL problem.

[muscleman-2013]

Your African ancestors gladly handed over their brothers and sisters to Muslims and Europeans. Slavery was been an institution in Africa for millennium and continues today. Slavery was ended in African countries only because the colonial governments demanded it. In review, European whites are and continue to be the only group that ended slavery as an institution. Islam and African's haven't  

He is amazing isn't he.  The truth must drive him crazy?

[andreisdaman]

You're hilarious, delusional and probably a liar.  You do realize that much of Europe's social/scientific advances occurred long before they came into contact with Aborigine or African peoples.  

Tell me about the advances the Aborigines were making before they met the white man?  I'm REALLY interested!


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Oh and you are a massive racist.  Blacks and Asians have been behind some of the greatest genocides on earth.  You DO know this don't you...?       It is a UNIVERSAL problem.

HA!...sorry you're angry....you seem really defensive....and resorting to name-calling.....and YES, I agree with you that historically it has been a universal problem..I don't understand your point about Europe's social/scientific advances coming before contact with African or aboriginal peoples.....the point being made is that dominant peoples of all races have had a tendency to enter the homelands of others, destroy the native peoples and then blame said peoples years later for not being able to pull themselves up and become the equal of the their subjugators...My response to the gentleman's question was that these native peoples would not be able to rise above their circumastance without massive help from the dominant population...same would go for the Palestinians in terms of their relationship with the Jews....whats your opinion?

[andreisdaman]

He is amazing isn't he.  The truth must drive him crazy?

why would it drive me crazy?....throughout history you can find any number of people who have betrayed their own people for money or power...why does it come as a surprise that black Africans did the same?  I can admit as much.....but why can't the people of dominant culture in this thread do the same???

STRANGE......who are the ones in this thread who are REALLY defensive

[muscleman-2013]

My point is that you refer to "catching up" as if they have been set back by whites.  But they were not held back by whites,  they were centuries behind whites before they ever even encountered them...

HA!...sorry you're angry....you seem really defensive....and resorting to name-calling.....and YES, I agree with you that historically it has been a universal problem..I don't understand your point about Europe's social/scientific advances coming before contact with African or aboriginal peoples.....the point being made is that dominant peoples of all races have had a tendency to enter the honmeleands of others, destroy the native peoples and then blame said peoples years later for not being able to pull themselves up and become the equal of the their subjugators...My response to the gentleman's question was that these native peoples would not be able to rise above their circumastance without massive help from the dominant population...same would go for the Palestinians in terms of their relationship with the Jews....whats your opinion?

[illuminati]

My point is that you refer to "catching up" as if they have been set back by whites.  But they were not held back by whites,  they were centuries behind whites before they ever even encountered them...

andriesdaman you have to admit muscleman makes a very Relevant point.

They were already so far behind the Whites when their countries were invaded.
Who is to blame for that.
If whitey hadn't arrived yet.

Perhaps they were just not Genetically intelligent Enough.
Or Perhaps they Believed they were advanced enough.

No hate, there are many different variables in people & races
From skin colour to height to facial features & Intelligence Etc.

[andreisdaman]

My point is that you refer to "catching up" as if they have been set back by whites.  But they were not held back by whites,  they were centuries behind whites before they ever even encountered them...

okay....so you consider all of the Jim Crow laws which were put in place whereby blacks were not allowed to vote...not allowed to intermarry.....not allowed to own certain types of property in certain areas......not allowed to work at certain jobs....not allowed to hold office.....not allowed to sit in a restaurant.......not allowed to go to colege.....ALL SANCTIONED BY CUSTOM, LAW, AND AUTHORITY .....you consider that as just another day at the office huh???...In your mind those things did not hold blacks back huh?

KNOW YOUR OWN HISTORY

[Griffith]

I think most differences today are more due to culture, mind-set and education.

[Rhino]

The Mongols are Asian and slaughtered Europeans plus had European slaves. The black death came from Europe; and The Mongols gave the black plague to the Europeans on purpose by throwing\shooting and catapulting dead plague bodies into cities.

Only a hand full of Europeans were even left after the plague... but some how the population bounced back.

Japan committed mass murder against Europeans on death marches and concentration camps. As well as millions of Chinese. The Chinese are still mad at Japan and their is anti Japanese sentiment among many Chinese.

Islamic people killed and enslaved Europeans... esp. the Slavic people. Ottoman empire for example. Correction: still kill and enslave today - (literally)!