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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #150 on: December 19, 2014, 10:10:06 AM »
hahaha, it would be easier and quicker but I'm cynical enough to think black people are capable of learning something.

They're not. Not on their own anyway. Stick them between proper races and a few might learn something whilst the rest would still be a few notches of IQ below a chimpanzee.

But since it's the Christmas holidays, I'll admit that the Blacks that made it out of the dumps, are some of the nicest people I've ever met. With whites I always feel that I have to watch myself a little bit more. Especially at work and in business.
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #151 on: December 19, 2014, 10:14:06 AM »

I've never at all commented about being Kore or 24k. You can call me either one of those names, if you like, it means nothing to me and does not change the content of my posts.


You want people to be  honest?! You are the epitome of dishonesty and cherrypicking facts to support something you already believe, wrong or... always wrong. The "black supremacist website" that you claimed I referenced was the government sanctioned study that you said you got your stats from. I even posted screenshots. That still did not keep you from lying about it. In every single debate  I've ever had with you , you've done the same thing. Your views are backwards because you claim they are based in fact, but you can never defend them adequately. Because they are not based in fact. You have to lie to support them. You always lie.

No it wasn't a government site. Your first rebuttal was cut and paste, word for word from a black supremacist site and then dropped it after I called you out on it.  You only knew about BOJ after I posted the link.  It was only after I posted the link that you even knew it existed.

You don't even cherrypick.  You offer no data at all.  You repeat talking points and offer no evidence to support your claims. I posted exactly from their website why the statistic were calculated the way they were and you just kept repeating the same thing over and over again. The statistics I posted are excepted by everyone and the conclusions I drew from them are not my own but theirs.  

this is what i dont understand tho. Like youve seen blacks excel in academia and law and science and medicine and literature, Like this isnt an off the wall thing. i dont understand that train of thought

It's more than that.  It's a mentality of victimization and blaming that needs to be addressed. Take Andre for example, he believes whites are to be held responsible for slavery in the past. He's not alone.  While he complains about blacks being judged he judges and feels righteous doing so.  As I said, he's not alone and that mentality needs to be challenged.

It's the right blacks feel to be racist.  It's rioting over a thug thief who attacked a cop.  It's the ability to see beyond a narrative you've been fed your entire life.
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #152 on: December 19, 2014, 10:18:27 AM »
No it wasn't a government site. Your first rebuttal was cut and paste, word for word from a black supremacist site and then dropped it after I called you out on it.  You only knew about BOJ after I posted the link.  It was only after I posted the link that you even knew it existed.

You don't even cherrypick.  You offer no data at all.  You repeat talking points and offer no evidence to support your claims. I posted exactly from their website why the statistic were calculated the way they were and you just kept repeating the same thing over and over again. The statistics I posted are excepted by everyone and the conclusions I drew from them are not my own but theirs.  

No, it was the government study. I posted direct links. You pretended not to understand them and I posted screenshots. You still pretended not to understand them. When I explained them to you line by line, you still pretended that you didn't understand them.  But here you go lying again. I would be more than happy to get into the discussion again.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #153 on: December 19, 2014, 10:23:07 AM »
It's more than that.  It's a mentality of victimization and blaming that needs to be addressed. Take Andre for example, he believes whites are to be held responsible for slavery in the past. He's not alone.  While he complains about blacks being judged he judges and feels righteous doing so.  As I said, he's not alone and that mentality needs to be challenged.

It's the right blacks feel to be racist.  It's rioting over a thug thief who attacked a cop.  It's the ability to see beyond a narrative you've been fed your entire life.
Has absolutley zero to do with you being "cynical" about blacks and learning...
What in fucks sake are you rambling on about.

stick to one train of thought chief and lets discuss that

And on another note. Not all blacks are the same. Not all think the same and not all have gone through the same life experiences that shape thought patterns. Once you stop with the idiotic lumping, the world will open up for you

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #154 on: December 19, 2014, 10:23:57 AM »
No, it was the government study. I posted direct links. You pretended not to understand them and I posted screenshots. You still pretended not to understand them. When I explained them to you line by line, you still pretended that you didn't understand them.  But here you go lying again. I would be more than happy to get into the discussion again.

I sited the government study.  You initially responded with a word for word cut and paste from a black supremacist website.  I've posted the same study several times before we even started our discussion.

You didn't explain anything to me line by line.  You repeated the same thing, they only used a sample of ten.  I sent you a link to the PDF the BOJ released about their methodology. Did you read it? I explained why they calculated the way they did by quoting them directly.  If everyone accepts their findings and methodology I don't see a problem with what I posted.  It was their conclusions.    

Has absolutley zero to do with you being "cynical" about blacks and learning...
What in fucks sake are you rambling on about.

stick to one train of thought chief and lets discuss that

And on another note. Not all blacks are the same. Not all think the same and not all have gone through the same life experiences that shape thought patterns. Once you stop with the idiotic lumping, the world will open up for you

I think blacks can learn. That was my point.  Not all blacks are the same but the majority of blacks here, including you, repeat the same thing as Andre.   
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #155 on: December 19, 2014, 10:29:00 AM »
Deep shit.

He was also out to get these "brutes", luckily for us all Getbiggers in the area were either in the gym benching 400lbs spotted by Amanda Latona or at work closing a multi-million dollar deal.

No doubt no doubt. I was busy adding to my watch collection and then later on baked a hummerbird cake.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #156 on: December 19, 2014, 10:36:10 AM »
I sited the government study.  You initially responded with a word for word cut and paste from a black supremacist website.  I've posted the same study several times before we even started our discussion.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=546754.msg7673773#msg7673773

This is my first post in that thread. You know I didn't just change it because you quote me in the very next post. As you can see, I posted the link to the actual study and directly to the relevant page. You didn't post a link to any study. You quoted from an inaccurate magazine article and you didn't even admit that until I pointed it out.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #157 on: December 19, 2014, 10:42:48 AM »
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=546754.msg7673773#msg7673773

This is my first post in that thread. As you can see, I posted the link to the actual study and directly to the relevant page. You didn't post a link to any study. You quoted from an inaccurate magazine article and you didn't even admit that until I pointed it out.

It looks like you changed your original post to site the data methodology at the end of the page.

I might not have posted the link in this thread but I have in many others. It's possible that I assumed I did because I had before.  Still, why dispute data that is accepted by everyone.  What reason does the BOJ have to report false statistics and conclusions?    Don't you think they know what they are doing?
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #158 on: December 19, 2014, 10:46:49 AM »
It looks like you changed your original post to site the data methodology at the end of the page.

I might not have posted the link in this thread but I have in many others. It's possible that I assumed I did because I had before.  Still, why dispute data that is accepted by everyone.  What reason does the BOJ have to report false statistics and conclusions?    Don't you think they know what they are doing?

You quote me in the very next post. I didn't change it.  What you posted was ripped off from a FRONTPAGE magazine article and you didn't even admit that until I brought it up. I"m not disputing what the BOJ report says. Your interpretation is wrong.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #159 on: December 19, 2014, 10:51:44 AM »
You quote me in the very next post. I didn't change it.  What you posted was ripped off from a FRONTPAGE magazine article and you didn't even admit that until I brought it up. I"m not disputing what the BOJ report says. Your interpretation is wrong.

What does the BOJ data indicate to you?   You are claiming you aren't disputing the data so tell me how you interpret the data?
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #160 on: December 19, 2014, 10:56:48 AM »
What does the BOJ data indicate to you?   You are claiming you aren't disputing the data so tell me how you interpret the data?

In several of the categories, there are less than 10 sample cases. You made the claim that you could make an accurate assessment on race based on these sample cases. Within the very study, it says that you cannot make an accurate assessment because the sample sizes are too small. You have stated over and over that the BOJ created some kin d of weight that corrects for this. That's simply not true. You are clinging to that point because you feel like it makes a point about race and crime, when no logical point can be inferred from such a small sample size. The authors of the study admit that.

Please peddle some more idiotic mumbo jumbo to stay the course.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #161 on: December 19, 2014, 11:11:01 AM »
In several of the categories, there are less than 10 sample cases. You made the claim that you could make an accurate assessment on race based on these sample cases. Within the very study, it says that you cannot make an accurate assessment because the sample sizes are too small. You have stated over and over that the BOJ created some kin d of weight that corrects for this. That's simply not true. You are clinging to that point because you feel like it makes a point about race and crime, when no logical point can be inferred from such a small sample size. The authors of the study admit that.

Please peddle some more idiotic mumbo jumbo to stay the course.

So you are disputing the study?   You just said you weren't disputing the studies claims.  Does it say anywhere in the study the exact words, "you cannot make an accurate assessment because sample sizes are too small"


Yes they do have a methodology and weighted adjustments. All statistics have a probability of error.

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245#Methodology

Nonresponse and weighting adjustments


In 2013, 90,630 households and 160,040 persons age 12 or older were interviewed for the NCVS. Each household was interviewed twice during the year. The response rate was 84% for households and 88% for eligible persons. Victimizations that occurred outside of the United States are excluded. In 2013, less than 1% of the unweighted victimizations occurred outside of the United States and are excluded from analyses of NCVS data.

Estimates in NCVS reports typically use data from the 1993 to 2013 NCVS data files, weighted to produce annual estimates of victimization for persons age 12 or older living in U.S. households. Since the NCVS relies on a sample rather than a census of the entire U.S. population, weights are designed to inflate sample point estimates to known population totals and to compensate for survey nonresponse and other aspects of the sample design.

The NCVS data files include both person and household weights. Person weights provide an estimate of the population represented by each person in the sample. Household weights provide an estimate of the U.S. household population represented by each household in the sample. After proper adjustment, both household and person weights are also typically used to form the denominator in calculations of crime rates.

Victimization weights used in analysis of NCVS data account for the number of persons present during an incident and for high-frequency repeat victimizations (or series victimizations). Series victimizations are similar in type but occur with such frequency that a victim is unable to recall each individual event or describe each event in detail. Survey procedures allow NCVS interviewers to identify and classify these similar victimizations as series victimizations and to collect detailed information on only the most recent incident in the series.

The weight counts series incidents as the actual number of incidents reported by the victim, up to a maximum of 10 incidents. Including series victimizations in national rates results in rather large increases in the level of violent victimization; however, trends in violence are generally similar regardless of whether series victimizations are included.

In 2013, series incidents accounted for about 1% of all victimizations and 4% of all violent victimizations. Weighting series incidents as the number of incidents up to a maximum of 10 incidents produces more reliable estimates of crime levels, while the cap at 10 minimizes the effect of extreme outliers on the rates. Additional information on the series enumeration is detailed in the report Methods for Counting High Frequency Repeat Victimizations in the National Crime Victimization Survey, NCJ 237308, BJS web, April 2012.

Standard error computations

When national estimates are derived from a sample, as with the NCVS, caution must be taken when comparing one estimate to another estimate or when comparing estimates over time. Although one estimate may be larger than another, estimates based on a sample have some degree of sampling error. The sampling error of an estimate depends on several factors, including the amount of variation in the responses, and the size of the sample. When the sampling error around an estimate is taken into account, the estimates that appear different may not be statistically different.

One measure of the sampling error associated with an estimate is the standard error. The standard error can vary from one estimate to the next. Generally, an estimate with a small standard error provides a more reliable approximation of the true value than an estimate with a large standard error. Estimates with relatively large standard errors are associated with less precision and reliability and should be interpreted with caution.

In order to generate standard errors around numbers and estimates from the NCVS, the Census Bureau produced generalized variance function (GVF) parameters for BJS. The GVFs take into account aspects of the NCVS complex sample design and represent the curve fitted to a selection of individual standard errors based on the Jackknife Repeated Replication technique. The GVF parameters are used to generate standard errors for each point estimate (such as counts, percentages, and rates) in reports using NCVS data.

BJS conducts tests to determine whether differences in estimated numbers and percentages in  reports using NCVS data are statistically significant once sampling error is taken into account. Using statistical programs developed specifically for the NCVS, all comparisons in the text of reports are tested for significance. The Student’s t-statistic is the primary test procedure, which tests the difference between two sample estimates.

Data users can use the estimates and the standard errors of the estimates provided in  reports to generate a confidence interval around the estimate as a measure of the margin of error. The following example illustrates how standard errors can be used to generate confidence intervals:
According to the NCVS, in 2013, the violent victimization rate among persons age 12 or older was 23.2 per 1,000 persons (see table 1 in Criminal Victimization, 2013, NCJ 247648, September 2014). Using the GVFs, it was determined that the estimated victimization rate estimate has a standard error of 1.6 (see appendix table 2 in Criminal Victimization, 2013, NCJ 247648, September 2014). A confidence interval around the estimate was generated by multiplying the standard errors by ±1.96 (the t-score of a normal, two- tailed distribution that excludes 2.5% at either end of the distribution). Therefore, the 95% confidence interval around the 23.2 estimate from 2013 is 23.2 ± (1.6 X 1.96) or (20.0 to 26.3). In others words, if different samples using the same procedures were taken from the U.S. population in 2013, 95% of the time the violent victimization rate would fall between 20.0 and 26.3 per 1,000 persons.

BJS also calculates a coefficient of variation (CV) for all estimates, representing the ratio of the standard error to the estimate. CVs provide a measure of reliability and a means to compare the precision of estimates across measures with differing levels or metrics. In cases where the CV is greater than 50%, or the unweighted sample had 10 or fewer cases, the estimate is noted with a “!” symbol (Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or the coefficient of variation is greater than 50%).
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #162 on: December 19, 2014, 11:14:38 AM »
Does it say anywhere in the study the exact words, "you cannot make an accurate assessment because sample sizes are too small"


Yes: (Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or the coefficient of variation is greater than 50%).

That is exactly what that means. That wall of text you just posted is almost wholly irrelevant to the discussion. This one line is all you need to know. The sample size  is too small to make accurate assessments. contained right there in the report.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #163 on: December 19, 2014, 11:15:55 AM »
Check out this thread I started a few minutes ago:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=561440.0


Pretty much everyone is in agreement. That's what that passage means. But keep going. You know your a bullshit artist.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #164 on: December 19, 2014, 11:18:10 AM »

Yes: (Interpret data with caution. Estimate based on 10 or fewer sample cases, or the coefficient of variation is greater than 50%).

That is exactly what that means. That wall of text you just posted is almost wholly irrelevant to the discussion. This one line is all you need to know. The sample size  is too small to make accurate assessments. contained right there in the report.

Does that mean the conclusions are wrong?   They aren't saying the conclusions drawn from the data are wrong just that there is a possibility of error.  So you are saying you disputing the data?  As is, how do you interpret the data?  What are the conclusions you would draw from the data?  Would you just throw all the data out?
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #165 on: December 19, 2014, 11:19:59 AM »
Does that mean the conclusions are wrong?   They aren't saying the conclusions drawn from the data are wrong just that there is a possibility of error.  

They don't make ANY conclusions from the data. They are just numbers. They are cautioning idiots like you from making conclusions because of the incredibly high probability of error that would be inherent in those conclusions.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #166 on: December 19, 2014, 11:22:33 AM »
They don't make ANY conclusions from the data. They are just numbers. They are cautioning idiots like you from making conclusions because of the incredibly high probability of error that would be inherent in those conclusions.


Yes they do draw conclusions.  Thats the point.  What other reasons do you gather statistics?   What is the purpose of the study?
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #167 on: December 19, 2014, 11:32:21 AM »
Poor Archer,  nobody likes him :'(

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #168 on: December 19, 2014, 11:44:17 AM »

Yes they do draw conclusions.  Thats the point.  What other reasons do you gather statistics?   What is the purpose of the study?

 ::)  Then what conclusions did the study come to?

The purpose of the report was SOLELY to gather statistics. That was it. There were no conclusions sought. The fact that they now have these statistics can be used in other areas.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #169 on: December 19, 2014, 11:52:27 AM »
::)  Then what conclusions did the study come to?

The purpose of the report was SOLELY to gather statistics. That was it. There were no conclusions sought. The fact that they now have these statistics can be used in other areas.


For what purpose are the statistics gathered?   What are statistics designed to do? 
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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #170 on: December 19, 2014, 11:53:39 AM »

For what purpose are the statistics gathered?   What are statistics designed to do? 
What conclusions did the study come to?

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #171 on: December 19, 2014, 11:58:10 AM »
Race guys gonna race.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #172 on: December 19, 2014, 12:01:58 PM »

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #173 on: December 19, 2014, 12:05:38 PM »


Yeah, but according to him, the Obama administration is the cause for him breaking the law.

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Re: Oldest black college 9% graduation rate
« Reply #174 on: December 19, 2014, 12:10:34 PM »

Hmmm. A hypocritical, POS. Good call.