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Re: Christ
« Reply #100 on: December 24, 2014, 12:19:21 PM »
Information cannot quench the need for enlightenment!


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Re: Christ
« Reply #101 on: December 24, 2014, 12:42:16 PM »
Experiencing the ORIGIN OF CONSCIOUSNESS is what is needed not reading about it.

Knowing that Consciousness is possible, will help you achieve it. So, reading about how it arose, will lead you in the right direction. Knowledge is power.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #102 on: December 24, 2014, 12:44:45 PM »
Information cannot quench the need for enlightenment!


So what is your denomination Mr. Ro?

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Re: Christ
« Reply #103 on: December 24, 2014, 12:48:32 PM »
Knowing that Consciousness is possible, will help you achieve it. So, reading about how it arose, will lead you in the right direction. Knowledge is power.

book knowledge is not power, meditation will lead you in the right direction...to knowledge born of direct recognition.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #104 on: December 24, 2014, 12:49:19 PM »
So what is your denomination Mr. Ro?

I dont have one Mr Shizz

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Re: Christ
« Reply #105 on: December 24, 2014, 12:54:02 PM »
I dont have one Mr Shizz
Neither do I. I think it is best that way.

There is no "right" religion. The fact that there are multiple religions (many of which are regional) tells you all you need to know.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #106 on: December 24, 2014, 12:57:08 PM »
book knowledge is not power, meditation will lead you in the right direction...to knowledge born of direct recognition.

Spoken as a stupid lazy person, who doesn't read.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #107 on: December 24, 2014, 01:00:53 PM »
 I have read many books and enjoy reading, just not the type of books you would read.

The finger that points to the moon is not the moon.


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Re: Christ
« Reply #108 on: December 24, 2014, 01:08:16 PM »
To raise a child in an environment where "god" is presented as a real thing is abuse, pure and simple.

It's brainwashing.

 

BS to raise a child ramming any beliefs down their throat is abuse. whether it be religion, anti-religion, politics or whatever else. you let your children know your beliefs but allow them to form their own.

i don't believe any person on this planet can be 100% sure whether there is some kind of higher force or not. science in reality has very few answers about how we got here, what we're doing here and even knows very little about what surrounds us.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #109 on: December 24, 2014, 01:09:16 PM »
BS to raise a child ramming any beliefs down their throat is abuse. whether it be religion, anti-religion, politics or whatever else. you let your children know your beliefs but allow them to form their own.

i don't believe any person on this planet can be 100% sure whether there is some kind of higher force or not. science in reality has very few answers about how we got here, what we're doing here and even knows very little about what surrounds us.

truth

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Re: Christ
« Reply #110 on: December 24, 2014, 01:13:11 PM »
I have read many books and enjoy reading, just not the type of books you would read.

The finger that points to the moon is not the moon.


Stop mooning the forum. And stop reading the comic books that you enjoy.

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« Reply #111 on: December 24, 2014, 01:15:19 PM »
BS to raise a child ramming any beliefs down their throat is abuse. whether it be religion, anti-religion, politics or whatever else. you let your children know your beliefs but allow them to form their own.

i don't believe any person on this planet can be 100% sure whether there is some kind of higher force or not. science in reality has very few answers about how we got here, what we're doing here and even knows very little about what surrounds us.

You know nothing about science. Without science, there would be no useful explanations. I'm 100% sure that there is no god. If you have proof to the contrary, then post it, or shut up.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #112 on: December 24, 2014, 01:20:03 PM »
Stop mooning the forum. And stop reading the comic books that you enjoy.

the moon is the origin of consciousness, the finger pointing is me, now get meditating Erika

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Re: Christ
« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2014, 01:29:34 PM »
the moon is the origin of consciousness, the finger pointing is me, now get meditating Erika

Wow, that's a stupid comment.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #114 on: December 24, 2014, 01:33:52 PM »
wow

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Re: Christ
« Reply #115 on: December 24, 2014, 01:38:10 PM »
You know nothing about science. Without science, there would be no useful explanations. I'm 100% sure that there is no god. If you have proof to the contrary, then post it, or shut up.

i know that science has far more questions than it has answers regarding our existence and surroundings, you dispute this FACT?...post up the evidence to disprove it...if you can't fk off back under your rock.

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« Reply #116 on: December 24, 2014, 01:53:38 PM »
i know that science has far more questions than it has answers regarding our existence and surroundings, you dispute this FACT?...post up the evidence to disprove it...if you can't fk off back under your rock.

Science has more questions than answers. That's how science gets answers. Yet it is only science that has any answers. Religion just demands faith, belief and obedience. Thinking for yourself isn't allowed in religion, unless you absolutely agree with the dogma you are told to believe. I've posted my evidence. You ignored it. Don't you feel stupid? No? Then you are brain dead.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #117 on: December 24, 2014, 02:10:14 PM »
Science has more questions than answers. That's how science gets answers. Yet it is only science that has any answers. Religion just demands faith, belief and obedience. Thinking for yourself isn't allowed in religion, unless you absolutely agree with the dogma you are told to believe. I've posted my evidence. You ignored it. Don't you feel stupid? No? Then you are brain dead.

so you agree science has more questions than answers... but science is the best we have(?) so who the fuck is anyone to say they know "100%" that this or that couldn't be responsible for us coming to be here...

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Re: Christ
« Reply #118 on: December 24, 2014, 02:15:30 PM »
I did. I was born a Catholic ... went to Sunday school, church ... the whole deal. Then when I was in my late-20s I did what you state above. I figured I'd reinvest in my faith and went at it with open heart and conviction.

I even "felt" the presence of god at various stages of my delusion. At the time it felt entirely real. In hindsight, my subconscious mind allowed me to believe all this shite because I wanted to.  

Then after a couple of years, my intellect and strength of reason wouldn't let me continue such a farce.

With each passing year since, my awakening has been increasingly impacting, and for me to consider that I actually believed such utter nonsense is troubling.

Religion is horrific and a bane to all human existence.

As another says, it's a form of mental illness.

My mental health is VASTLY improved since allowing truth and reason to infiltrate my life.  

 

I thank you for your story and applaud your courage.  It's take a man of humble heart to disclose something as personal as suffering from mental illness and delusion.  I'm glad you're on the road to recovery and I pray for your full recovery.  I believe you'll get there!!

I often visit other forums of a religious nature as a more casual poster and lurker, but I've witnessed folks that claim they desired to know God and presented a compelling story about how they tried and tried and in the end they found absolutely nothing by way of a God experience.  More mature believers/posters discussed the situation with folks and in the end the majority of folks were found to be lying about their "journeys to know God".  Some just left the boards and weren't able to engage in further discussion.  

Now, I don't at all believe you're lying.  I absolutely believe you suffered from mental illness and delusion and fortunately your mind continues to heal.  Unfortunately, within your developing clarity, you've chosen atheism.  Regardless, I pray for a full recovery for you.

My father told me a story about a man he went to high school with that was a both a friend and believer in Christ.  Their relationship as believers grew, but this friend of my father's became slowly colder yet somehow chaotic and sometimes frenzied.  One evening at a church service he randomly whispered to my Dad and said, "We need to go.  Do you see everyone's face in the choir and audience?  They're all dead man.....they're all dead."  He was clearly not well as I'm sure you can now clearly process.

Now, this old friend of my father was later diagnosed with a mental illness and eventually spent time in the state hospital.  His condition improved slightly, but not as significantly as yours has.  In fact he never fully recovered that I'm aware.  Not everyone that is mentally ill recovers like you have....I'm grateful you have though...it's encouraging for other sufferers I'm sure.  

One simple clarification I would make is that because the mental illness you suffered from incorporated some religious delusion doesn't mean everyone that is religious is also ill like you were.  Like my father's friend, he was diagnosed with mental illness (coupled with delusions), but yet my father was never mentally ill.    In time, with greater healing, I hope you'll begin to understand this.

Again thanks for sharing your story!!

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Re: Christ
« Reply #119 on: December 24, 2014, 02:16:48 PM »
so you agree science has more questions than answers... but science is the best we have(?) so who the fuck is anyone to say they know "100%" that this or that couldn't be responsible for us coming to be here...

I can be 100% sure there isn't any god, because the god believers and promoters have provided zero evidence of their fictional god, unlike science, that has provided huge amounts of evidence about reality. Reality, something god believers can't deal with.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #120 on: December 24, 2014, 02:38:00 PM »
All literature, cumulative, that was ingested over the time span from birth till adult hood...

Big Ro's book list...

"Donald And The Mystery Of Babylon"
"Qaba 4 Dummies - foreword by Levi Crypto Hassan"
"Sweat and beer - the gigolos armpit"
"The Sexual Energy Focus - how cold fusion doesn't work"


Book list of MOS...

"Destination Bethlehem"
"Fire Down Below - why Satan created the Benis"
"Crossing the border - Christianity and Hispanic Cuisine"
"Cloud Investment Plans -  signed by Bernie Madoff"


Gee, I wonder if this list is real.  :D
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Re: Christ
« Reply #121 on: December 24, 2014, 03:06:40 PM »
I can be 100% sure there isn't any god, because the god believers and promoters have provided zero evidence of their fictional god, unlike science, that has provided huge amounts of evidence about reality. Reality, something god believers can't deal with.
odd how you say "unlike science", and then say provided huge amounts of evidence about reality, but cleverly didn't say the "absence of God".
You said that the others have provided "zero evidence, unlike science", which would denote that science has done the opposite, yet your phrasing...

Smh...

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Re: Christ
« Reply #122 on: December 24, 2014, 03:12:18 PM »
I can be 100% sure there isn't any god, because the god believers and promoters have provided zero evidence of their fictional god, unlike science, that has provided huge amounts of evidence about reality. Reality, something god believers can't deal with.

Reality?

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Re: Christ
« Reply #123 on: December 24, 2014, 03:13:55 PM »
Reality?

Yes reality. Obviously something that you are completely unfamiliar with.

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Re: Christ
« Reply #124 on: December 24, 2014, 03:16:48 PM »
Listen son, your so called reality is nothing but data collected inside a dream, your still dreaming, wake up!