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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2015, 11:28:37 AM »
You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.

True that.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2015, 11:28:45 AM »
Unions were so important in this country and now for the most part are a political money collecting machine for evil. They blindly support Democrats while they shake down their members for dues that they live high on the hog on.

Some of the Unions in New Jersey appear to be Mafia run. One construction Union hall had a guy drive up to a big construction site in a brand new Cadillac. Work stopped and all the workers lined up and peeled off hundreds to a wise guy in a suit. They have to kick back in order to get picked out of the Union hall to work.

The teachers unions are so well funded in the NJ/NY area that they seem to have commercials on network tv every week. That's some money to waste. Aside from backing Democrats with Union money they always scream education is being under funded hurting kids. That's code for we need a higher paying contract.   

C'mon, get serious, you saw that on the Sapranos... I swear the shit people make up.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2015, 11:30:26 AM »
C'mon, get serious, you saw that on the Sapranos... I swear the shit people make up.

haha, yes. He has watched one too many italian mafia movies.  :D :D
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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2015, 11:32:25 AM »
Are you trying to say the difference between your gross and net is union dues??  Cause that sure as hell sounds like the way your trying to spin it.  Go back to flipping tires. You've lost all creditability

No, pay attention. I stated no matter what your check is dues comes out along with whatever else that particular union takes. Some is taken out by the employees choice, like credit union checking/savings etc. I don't know what dues is anymore, it's been along time. If you work a 15hr week, those monies come out and when a family is struggling, that hurts.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2015, 11:37:39 AM »
Far better to go back to the days of the Pyramid builder slaves .
Forcing anyone to pay a living wage and benefits was the death of the middle class  ::)

It's criminal thinking that could force a CEO to cut back on his 3rd yacht instead of paying employee benefits.

I'm so ashamed of my father , who sucked off the GOV tit his entire life.
He waltzed thru military  service on a deluxe, all expenses cruise on the USS Navy ship Coral Sea in WWII .
Then he spent a luxury vacation in the exotic Asian country of Korea.

My dad took a GOV  handout benefit and went to school free on the GI Bill.
Then he took a GOV Union civil service job working on nuclear subs. Damn commie sub workers had a civil service UNION, wtf :o
Talk about an easy, do nothing  job . Why do US tax payers need to pay for submarines?!
I can't believe he had the nerve to accept a pension after a mere 40 yrs of that cake walk.

My dad and those like him... a bunch of communist union slackers. ;)

UNIONS are Un-American...right?

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2015, 11:43:14 AM »
No, pay attention. I stated no matter what your check is dues comes out along with whatever else that particular union takes. Some is taken out by the employees choice, like credit union checking/savings etc. I don't know what dues is anymore, it's been along time. If you work a 15hr week, those monies come out and when a family is struggling, that hurts.

I am paying attention.  First off in construction, work is usually seasonal depending on your location.  I know things always slow down during the winter months.  Union dues deductions are negligible. It's the income tax deductions that shrink your paycheck.  When I work overtime income tax deductions rise exponentially.  That's what hurts.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2015, 11:44:20 AM »
You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.

Every union rep I ever had forced upon me was bar none the shittiest, laziest, whiniest guy on the job. Never gave a shit about the work or helping other solid employees complete tasks. "Not my job," they'd inevitably say, while any other employee usually had no problem helping out.

To a man, all they talked about was "our rights," "our breaks/lunches," "our contracts," "our negotiations," "our grievances" - never once "our responsibilities." These were workers/reps, mind you; utterly useless pieces of shit, decades worth.

Never once saw them defend a decent worker, either; because good workers rarely, if ever, needed representation. Always just the other worthless malcontents who shoulda been fired anyway.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2015, 11:51:34 AM »
Great in theory.  In practice just another trumped up authority who thinks they get to tell me what I can't do and where I can't do it.  I'm more of a do-as-I-choose and who-the-fuck-are-you guy, so no.

Agreed. Great historically as well. Outlived its usefulness years ago, unfortunately, along with every other well-intentioned movement.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2015, 12:22:57 PM »
Every union rep I ever had forced upon me was bar none the shittiest, laziest, whiniest guy on the job. Never gave a shit about the work or helping other solid employees complete tasks. "Not my job," they'd inevitably say, while any other employee usually had no problem helping out.

To a man, all they talked about was "our rights," "our breaks/lunches," "our contracts," "our negotiations," "our grievances" - never once "our responsibilities." These were workers/reps, mind you; utterly useless pieces of shit, decades worth.

Never once saw them defend a decent worker, either; because good workers rarely, if ever, needed representation. Always just the other worthless malcontents who shoulda been fired anyway.

Ridiculous generalization. I have no idea what shit outfit you worked for.

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« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2015, 12:34:09 PM »
Ridiculous generalization. I have no idea what shit outfit you worked for.

Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.

It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?



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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2015, 12:38:28 PM »
Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.

It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?




Unions must be drastically different then. I was in a union for 5 years, my father for 38, my brother is currently in one, and I have extended family members in different unions and their experiences have been much different than what you are describing. No system/organization is perfect, but overall, nothing like youre describing.
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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2015, 12:53:59 PM »
Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.

It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?




This is democracy at the grass roots level.  If a majority votes to unionize then you do. Or you can leave.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2015, 12:57:13 PM »
This is democracy at the grass roots level.  If a majority votes to unionize then you do. Or you can leave.

Good point. You're not forced to take the job and join their union. You can easily find another job with no union. This is America! Free to do whatever you want!!
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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #88 on: February 19, 2015, 12:59:26 PM »
Two shit outfits, to be precise. Twenty-six years worth. My experience is all, so, yeah, anecdotal. All my family and friends have had similar experiences in various fields, so I strongly doubt it's isolated.

It begs the question, though; if they're so universally wonderful, why are you FORCED to join?




No one is forcing you to do anything . Don't like it, go somewhere else and good luck.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2015, 01:00:48 PM »
You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.

Here is a "rare" example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Food_and_Commercial_Workers#2003_California_grocery_strike

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2015, 01:02:32 PM »
This is democracy at the grass roots level.  If a majority votes to unionize then you do. Or you can leave.

Fair point. Still doesn't explain why they've evolved into worthless, bullying thugs.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2015, 01:05:00 PM »
Fair point. Still doesn't explain why they've evolved into worthless, bullying thugs.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2015, 01:08:48 PM »
Bad morning? Blocked?  ;D ;D

Nothing personal, just don't enjoy arguing in PMs. On the board I can choose to respond or not; feel obligated in PMs. Just got be too much, my friend.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2015, 01:10:19 PM »
Nothing personal, just don't enjoy arguing in PMs. On the board I can choose to respond or not; feel obligated in PMs. Just got be too much, my friend.

I prefer debates PM's. You can debate and answer when you want. I always feel more "obligated" coming back and keep posting on the thread. You know, we gotta think like Shizzo. Have to get the threads to 100+ posts or the forum will die.
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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2015, 01:26:25 PM »
You'll rarely see union shops/workers doing work in the private sector. Labor is just too expensive.

 ::)  STFU  Coach , 75% of our work is in the private sector.


Some of the companies we work for
3M
Allianz
General Mills
Home depot
Cabela's
Best Buy
Cargill
Sheraton
Ramada
Wells Fargo
Hospitals ,Hotels , Banks , small business................ ..............  you name it.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2015, 01:28:44 PM »


Some of the Unions in New Jersey appear to be Mafia run. One construction Union hall had a guy drive up to a big construction site in a brand new Cadillac. Work stopped and all the workers lined up and peeled off hundreds to a wise guy in a suit. They have to kick back in order to get picked out of the Union hall to work.   

Bullshit

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2015, 01:36:27 PM »
I prefer debates PM's. You can debate and answer when you want. I always feel more "obligated" coming back and keep posting on the thread. You know, we gotta think like Shizzo. Have to get the threads to 100+ posts or the forum will die.

Actually don't debating anywhere much at all. I might just pop in and out with an opinion from time to time, maybe a follow up; but it's silly to go back and forth ad nauseum like we're gonna change anyone's mind about an issue.

Learned long ago there is zero to be gained challenging someone's fundamental beliefs, especially when we're polarized. That's what college was for. Things inevitably get ugly is all.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #97 on: February 19, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »
::)  STFU  Coach , 75% of our work is in the private sector.


Some of the companies we work for
3M
Allianz
General Mills
Home depot
Cabela's
Best Buy
Cargill
Sheraton
Ramada
Wells Fargo
Hospitals ,Hotels , Banks , small business................ ..............  you name it.

I'm talking mostly residential.

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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #98 on: February 19, 2015, 01:39:05 PM »
I took this about 10min ago. This has been going on for over a week. How much commerce do you suppose are on these ships?


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Re: Freaking Unions
« Reply #99 on: February 19, 2015, 01:57:13 PM »
I took this about 10min ago. This has been going on for over a week. How much commerce do you suppose are on these ships?




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