so do steroids kill you quicker or not?

[Army of One]

Average dude, decides at 25 he wants to get jacked, does 2 cycles a year of 500mg a week of test only, comes off in the proper fashion, continues doing this until he dies.Another guy just lifts natty until death.Take a sample size of 10 million average guys on one side, 10 million on the other, would you personally expect much difference in the life expectancy of both groups? Has any study ever been done on life expectancy on test etc? Again we aren't talking Derek Anthony or that Alex Arizian cycles here.

[greeneyes]

 

[Nails]

no

[Army of One]

Compelling arguments so far

[greeneyes]

In before groink

[Teutonic Knight]

No idea,  ask Wiggs he is on the dark side  

[Nails]

[greeneyes]

groink is still alive so steroids are fine.

[Army of One]

Interesting point about Groink, maybe Groink could maintain 16 inch arms natty. but if that takes him to 90 instead of 64, does 2inches of arm size warrant not seeing his kid grow up, grandkids, the joys of retirement?Will someone in their early 60's be looking at their arms in their hospital bed while their kids cry around them, thinking yeah those biceps were worth 30 years off?

[mdef48]

Average dude, decides at 25 he wants to get jacked, does 2 cycles a year of 500mg a week of test only, comes off in the proper fashion, continues doing this until he dies.Another guy just lifts natty until death.Take a sample size of 10 million average guys on one side, 10 million on the other, would you personally expect much difference in the life expectancy of both groups? Has any study ever been done on life expectancy on test etc? Again we aren't talking Derek Anthony or that Alex Arizian cycles here.

Here is the thing as explained to me by my endocrinologist (who happens to be steroid friendly doctor) so not one of the normal guys who use scare tactics etc.
I had in depth discussion with him about how steroid use at low moderate doses of testosterone etc is relatively safe.

If you look on list of things that kill you steroids are someway down the list like 147th or something (talking about drugs here) like smoking, drinking, asprin etc.

He said to me that maybe so but the figure is meaningless because while we have good idea/data about how many people smoke and drink we don't really have those figures for steroid use because steroids are illegal in most countries and not really monitored.

And also because relatively speaking not that many people take steroids.
He said if you put the same amount of people who smoke cigarettes on steroids you would expect far higher death rates/complications from them.

He pretty much told me based on his experience of dealing with guys in later life who use steroids that he considers it a form of "slow suicide".
He pretty much expects a high degree of those people to end of up prostate problems for sure and far higher instances of stroke and heart failure if real actual data was collected and monitored.

I agree with him.


 

[Army of One]

Here is the thing as explained to me by my endocrinologist (who happens to be steroid friendly doctor) so not one of the normal guys who use scare tactics etc.
I had in depth discussion with him about how steroid use at low moderate doses of testosterone etc is relatively safe.

If you look on list of things that kill you steroids are someway down the list like 147th or something (talking about drugs here) like smoking, drinking, asprin etc.

He said to me that maybe so but the figure is meaningless because while we have good idea/data about how many people smoke and drink we don't really have those figures for steroid use because steroids are illegal in most countries and not really monitored.

And also because relatively speaking not that many people take steroids.
He said if you put the same amount of people who smoke cigarettes on steroids you would expect far higher death rates/complications from them.

He pretty much told me based on his experience of dealing with guys in later life who use steroids that he considers it a form of "slow suicide".
He pretty much expects a high degree of those people to end of up prostate problems for sure and far higher instances of stroke and heart failure if real actual data was collected and monitored.

I agree with him.


 

Very good post, thank you.Just looking for studies now, theres the one from 97 where they shortened mice's lifespans but the equivalent dose on humans would be insane, so not really applicable here.

[Army of One]

Interesting, the average life expectancy of an NFL player is 55, compare that to the average male of around 75.I doubt there has been an NFL player in the last 40 years who hasn't been on something.

"It is hard to put a price on the costs of the health problems related to steroids. We assumed that any additional medical costs would be covered by the player’s health care insurance, which we believe would be high quality given the strength of their employers and their union. However, we did attempt to quantify the financial effect of a shorter lifespan for a player.

 It is not entirely clear how many years steroids take off of your life. Steroids unquestionably work extremely well--no denying it,” says Dr. Harrison Pope of McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass. “But they will probably shorten your life expectancy. By how much, we still don’t know (Baily 2003).” In order to make a guess at this effect, we first attempted to determine the average life expectancy of a Major League Baseball player. Unfortunately, we were not able to attain this data. We were able to determine that the average life expectancy for a football player in the National Football League is only 55 years (Neddenriep 2005). This lower life expectancy is surely due to the rigors of playing football. However, steroids are believed to also be a problem in the NFL, and some of this shortened life expectancy may be due to such drugs. The average life expectancy of an American male is 75 years (Schmid 2005). We therefore felt that a baseball player on steroids would be somewhere in between the average American male and an NFL player. We therefore conservatively chose five years as the effect of steroids on a player’s life expectancy. We then multiplied these five years times the pension earnings for a player. While we didn’t know exact pension earnings, we did learn that a star player (Cal Ripken, Jr.) will earn $160,000 per year from his pension, so we used this figure as an approximation. Therefore, a player using steroids would lose $800,000 in future pension earnings"

http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/rjmorgan/mba211/steroids%20and%20major%20league

[Army of One]

"I have to look at the damage I have done and that's a tough pill, the hardest pill I've ever had to swallow," he said, surrounded by several weights and workout machines inside his gym.

Ten years of steroid use took a toll on his internal organs, according to Kulka’s doctor, who also said he might not live past 65 years old. That means he could miss his children's high school graduations and other important life events.

"I'm going to pay the piper at some point, and I mean the big man," he said, pointing to the sky.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/easy-to-access-steroids-shorten-lives-former-user-says-1.1368907

[Radical Plato]

 

[Army of One]

wow im honored this page after page post. if you must know i was 2 weeks away getting a kidney transplant. and they did a couple more tests to make sure saw before the next step. and they found a elevation atf level in my liver. they bioposied my liver and found a 6 cm tumor that was cancer.the diagnosis was to go through through the groind to the liver and cut off the blood to the liver and give a dosage of chemo directly not intravenus. i have done one sessioon the tumor went significantly down. they are doing one more session deffinetely most 2 and that should kill the tumor. there are no other cancerous tumors in the liver. it must be watched from now on out.the kidney transplant is not of the table. you have to be cancer free 1 full year. so i will continue dialysis till ten i have allready have done 2 years. im use to it and have revised my life around it.still work, spend time with my family. train hour cardio a day hour weights and drug free no oil either if you must no. im not going to jeaopordize my chance of getting the transplant . i have a great donor who is willing to wait and is in great shape family member so im greatful. thanks everyone for the support. facebook,twittter, derekanthony20 and instagram derekanthony20. i know a lot of people hate me but my past is my past and im just living to enjoy life help people and be a better person. people make mistakes. it is what it is even here at getbig i have met a lot of cool people had some battles with many lol  i wish you all a happy and healthy thanksgiving without our health we are nothing.

take care

DA

WWW.THEDEREKANTHONYSHOW. COM

[forillagorilla]

Let the genius parade begin - lol.   I need to tell the others to come read what the Getbig "gurus" have to say

This will be interesting -

[njflex]

[Nails]

"the minute he started using steroids" 

did he have a heart attack after his very first ever shot

[Army of One]

"the minute he started using steroids"  

did he have a heart attack after his very first ever shot

No, but I'm sure his blood pressure went through the roof fairly quickly

[Costanza]

Fuck DA haters.

[Nails]

^^^

Looks like flex wheeler there

[Army of One]

Fuck DA haters.

Who got the cap? Was there an inheritance battle over it? Along with the jewellery, website and radio show?

[Lord Chronos]

Average dude, decides at 25 he wants to get jacked, does 2 cycles a year of 500mg a week of test only, comes off in the proper fashion, continues doing this until he dies.Another guy just lifts natty until death.Take a sample size of 10 million average guys on one side, 10 million on the other, would you personally expect much difference in the life expectancy of both groups? Has any study ever been done on life expectancy on test etc? Again we aren't talking Derek Anthony or that Alex Arizian cycles here.

Yes

[Weedlejuice]

Average dude, decides at 25 he wants to get jacked, does 2 cycles a year of 500mg a week of test only, comes off in the proper fashion, continues doing this until he dies.Another guy just lifts natty until death.Take a sample size of 10 million average guys on one side, 10 million on the other, would you personally expect much difference in the life expectancy of both groups? Has any study ever been done on life expectancy on test etc? Again we aren't talking Derek Anthony or that Alex Arizian cycles here.

someone i know has been competing since the 70's, used everything, done gh and slin since his mid 30's, only comes off for a month or two at the end of the year, and is prepping for the master's currently.

has never had any health complication's and his last lot of blood work all came back in perfect ranges except his bad cholesterol which was actually LOWER than average so i don't know what to tell you.

has progressed to the international level in the past, uses minimal doses compared to what a lot of the guys on here talk about using, and still follows protocols that were given to him by the at the time mr universe which are old school as fuck and don't make any sense by what today's standards consider a good cycle, solo deca, switching compounds every few weeks and the like, doing once a week shots with no regards to the ester.

people drop dead every day for no reason, and i know its a cliche to say but if you're living every day worrying about death then it's probably not worth eeking out an extra decade or two being a shambling wreck.

[Sophus]

I would expect an average minus 7 - 10 years for the steroid user.