The Pagan origins of Easter. Happy Easter Getbig!!!!

[Teutonic Knight]

1. Wiggs is not a Hebrew or an anointed, holy, chosen, prophet.

Without DNA test he can't prove anything 

[Teutonic Knight]

It's easy friend if you want to know the reality of God.  Just confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he rose from the dead and you'll be saved, deemed righteous and have the spirit of God in you.  You begin to live for his will and deny your self and watch how he reveals himself to you personally over and over....

God is all about faithful belief and loving surrender.

yeah , right   spirit of WHAT is inside me  

[Teutonic Knight]

I think he'd wondering where the risen Jesus actually is as he cannot see him.

Jesus survived the crucifixion, left Israel and travelled to north India to live out a long life in Kashmir

Regarding to 1 of my mates, JC was in charge of the '369th Devils SS Division' at Stalingrad '43  

[Man of Steel]

yeah , right   spirit of WHAT is inside me  

The Holy Spirit of God.

If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.

Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them.   They deny God and choose themselves and the world.  Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him.   Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me.  I just desire for others to know God.

 

[Man of Steel]

So, you did nothing? You don't have to be a member of something to fight for what is right! I am not homeless, does that mean I can't fight to end homelessness? I am not a child, does that mean I can't fight to end child abuse? Most people have not control over evil people, does that mean people shouldn't try to end child abuse, human trafficking, community violence, etc?

A very selfish way of looking at the world. Because you're not Roman Catholic and you have no direct control over evil people, you will just let it persist? Glad to know where you stand with things.  

What are you attempting to achieve with this line of argumentation?  
What dots are you actually connecting here?  

For example, I admit I don’t know how to combat the evil of some Catholic clergymen therefore the conclusion is I take no stand against homelessness, child abuse, human trafficking, community violence and whatever else you can throw in there in a given moment?  

You can literally list anything and everything that pops into your brain whether it’s relevant or related.  It’s the “shot gun” approach or “barrage attack” method…..I get it LOL.  

I’m honestly tired of the platitudes, the non sequitur fallacies and the rampant generalizations.

I say I stand opposed to Roman Catholicism and you wonder why I'm not more proactively fighting against any member of the Catholic clergy that may have wronged someone or committed an evil act.  Why I'm not getting out there and doing something about it!!  Give me a break LOL.

Tell me, where should I start?  

Should I book a flight to the Vatican for a citizen's arrest of the papacy?
Should I join the local police force and build my way to detective and begin investigating any suspicious activity among the priests in my local RC churches?  You know, reopen the "cold cases" like we see on tv and really dig in?
Should I form a Christian task force whose sole purpose is to eliminate this specific evil?    
Should I arrange weekly rallies at my local church and picket the parishes of suspicious clergymen?

Now, here’s what I think.  

I think that you’re frustrated with me.  I think I frustrate the crap out of you.  Not my intention.

Maybe you’re aggravated because you’re unable to persuade me to adopt your worldview?  
I remain firmly in my Christianity and despite me becoming some sort of “pet project” for you it isn’t working and that frustrates you?

You’re just going to have to abandon your attempts.  I long abandoned any thought whatsoever about you changing your mind about your atheism.  

Further, I also think that because you’re so completely offended by my attempts to spread the love of Christ to others that you feel compelled to respond to almost every religious based post I make and play “non sequitur connect the dots” with me.  

It doesn’t matter whether or not what you post in opposition to me is true, it just matters that you post something in opposition that might have credibility or initially sound reasonable.    

I also think you're passionate only about “argumentation” and not the content of the argument itself……ya just like to argue and tell people why you think they're wrong.  

[BigRo]

The Holy Spirit of God.

If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.

Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them.   They deny God and choose themselves and the world.  Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him.   Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me.  I just desire for others to know God.

 

everyone doesnt know God exists? Even those who are believers have doubts.

You desire for people to know God in a certain way only, anything outside that way is the devil.

[hardgainerj]

[chaos]

What are you attempting to achieve with this line of argumentation?  
What dots are you actually connecting here?  

For example, I admit I don’t know how to combat the evil of some Catholic clergymen therefore the conclusion is I take no stand against homelessness, child abuse, human trafficking, community violence and whatever else you can throw in there in a given moment?  

You can literally list anything and everything that pops into your brain whether it’s relevant or related.  It’s the “shot gun” approach or “barrage attack” method…..I get it LOL.  

I’m honestly tired of the platitudes, the non sequitur fallacies and the rampant generalizations.

I say I stand opposed to Roman Catholicism and you wonder why I'm not more proactively fighting against any member of the Catholic clergy that may have wronged someone or committed an evil act.  Why I'm not getting out there and doing something about it!!  Give me a break LOL.

Tell me, where should I start?  

Should I book a flight to the Vatican for a citizen's arrest of the papacy?
Should I join the local police force and build my way to detective and begin investigating any suspicious activity among the priests in my local RC churches?  You know, reopen the "cold cases" like we see on tv and really dig in?
Should I form a Christian task force whose sole purpose is to eliminate this specific evil?    
Should I arrange weekly rallies at my local church and picket the parishes of suspicious clergymen?

Now, here’s what I think.  

I think that you’re frustrated with me.  I think I frustrate the crap out of you.  Not my intention.

Maybe you’re aggravated because you’re unable to persuade me to adopt your worldview?  
I remain firmly in my Christianity and despite me becoming some sort of “pet project” for you it isn’t working and that frustrates you?

You’re just going to have to abandon your attempts.  I long abandoned any thought whatsoever about you changing your mind about your atheism.  

Further, I also think that because you’re so completely offended by my attempts to spread the love of Christ to others that you feel compelled to respond to almost every religious based post I make and play “non sequitur connect the dots” with me.  

It doesn’t matter whether or not what you post in opposition to me is true, it just matters that you post something in opposition that might have credibility or initially sound reasonable.    

I also think you're passionate only about “argumentation” and not the content of the argument itself……ya just like to argue and tell people why you think they're wrong.  

Lol

[Wiggs]

What are you attempting to achieve with this line of argumentation?  
What dots are you actually connecting here?  

For example, I admit I don’t know how to combat the evil of some Catholic clergymen therefore the conclusion is I take no stand against homelessness, child abuse, human trafficking, community violence and whatever else you can throw in there in a given moment?  

You can literally list anything and everything that pops into your brain whether it’s relevant or related.  It’s the “shot gun” approach or “barrage attack” method…..I get it LOL.  

I’m honestly tired of the platitudes, the non sequitur fallacies and the rampant generalizations.

I say I stand opposed to Roman Catholicism and you wonder why I'm not more proactively fighting against any member of the Catholic clergy that may have wronged someone or committed an evil act.  Why I'm not getting out there and doing something about it!!  Give me a break LOL.

Tell me, where should I start?  

Should I book a flight to the Vatican for a citizen's arrest of the papacy?
Should I join the local police force and build my way to detective and begin investigating any suspicious activity among the priests in my local RC churches?  You know, reopen the "cold cases" like we see on tv and really dig in?
Should I form a Christian task force whose sole purpose is to eliminate this specific evil?    
Should I arrange weekly rallies at my local church and picket the parishes of suspicious clergymen?

Now, here’s what I think.  

I think that you’re frustrated with me.  I think I frustrate the crap out of you.  Not my intention.

Maybe you’re aggravated because you’re unable to persuade me to adopt your worldview?  
I remain firmly in my Christianity and despite me becoming some sort of “pet project” for you it isn’t working and that frustrates you?

You’re just going to have to abandon your attempts.  I long abandoned any thought whatsoever about you changing your mind about your atheism.  

Further, I also think that because you’re so completely offended by my attempts to spread the love of Christ to others that you feel compelled to respond to almost every religious based post I make and play “non sequitur connect the dots” with me.  

It doesn’t matter whether or not what you post in opposition to me is true, it just matters that you post something in opposition that might have credibility or initially sound reasonable.    

I also think you're passionate only about “argumentation” and not the content of the argument itself……ya just like to argue and tell people why you think they're wrong.  

pwned

[Man of Steel]

everyone doesnt know God exists? Even those who are believers have doubts.

You desire for people to know God in a certain way only, anything outside that way is the devil.

Genuine believers have doubts and questions about parts of scripture or the nature of God, but not about God's reality in general.   There's nothing wrong with not understanding something or not having thorough and complete answers to  theological questions.  I'm in a life's pursuit to better understand God and today I don't always have the answers.....there's plenty of time that I just don't know things, but that's ok.  When we admit we don't know it can put us on a path to learn way more than we ever considered.

Some folks call themselves believers yet question God's reality, but I wouldn't consider them genuine believers if they can't come to terms with the basic foundation of God's reality.  I wouldn't consider them immoral or heathens or anything negative either.  I belief they just haven't given themselves fully to God yet....not always an easy thing to do.

Now, if a belief system stands opposed to Christ and scripture I consider it to be demonically motivated....that's the essence of spiritual warfare.   "See you can do good without God.....we don't need Jesus Christ.  We're already good!"

So this ALWAYS begs the question:  If a Buddhist's sole purpose in life is to convey peace then that's demonic?  

No, the individual isn't demonic, but if they espouse a belief system that does not support Christ then the foundations are anti-Christ and demonic regardless of whether or not that stance is specifically spelled out in their particular doctrine.  

Support love.  Support peace.  Support goodness.  Support one another.

There are plenty of secular organizations that seek to do nothing but good for people....keep those motivations going because it's awesome.  Although, in order for an individual to align themselves with divine righteousness they can't do so with their human works alone.  It's only through Christ that this is achieved.  Keep striving for good, but also align your heart with Christ....that's the perfect combination I think.  

[Wiggs]

Genuine believers have doubts and questions about parts of scripture or the nature of God, but not about God's reality in general.   There's nothing wrong with not understanding something or not having thorough and complete answers to  theological questions.  I'm in a life's pursuit to better understand God and today I don't always have the answers.....there's plenty of time that I just don't know things, but that's ok.  When we admit we don't know it can put us on a path to learn way more than we ever considered.

Some folks call themselves believers yet question God's reality, but I wouldn't consider them genuine believers if they can't come to terms with the basic foundation of God's reality.  I wouldn't consider them immoral or heathens or anything negative either.  I belief they just haven't given themselves fully to God yet....not always an easy thing to do.

Now, if a belief system stands opposed to Christ and scripture I consider it to be demonically motivated....that's the essence of spiritual warfare.   "See you can do good without God.....we don't need Jesus Christ.  We're already good!"

So this ALWAYS begs the question:  If a Buddhist's sole purpose in life is to convey peace then that's demonic?  

No, the individual isn't demonic, but if they espouse a belief system that does not support Christ then the foundations are anti-Christ and demonic regardless of whether or not that stance is specifically spelled out in their particular doctrine.  

Support love.  Support peace.  Support goodness.  Support one another.

There are plenty of secular organizations that seek to do nothing but good for people....keep those motivations going because it's awesome.  Although, in order for an individual to align themselves with divine righteousness they can't do so with their human works alone.  It's only through Christ that this is achieved.  Keep striving for good, but also align your heart with Christ....that's the perfect combination I think.  

You're on fire today.

[BigRo]

Genuine believers have doubts and questions about parts of scripture or the nature of God, but not about God's reality in general.   There's nothing wrong with not understanding something or not having thorough and complete answers to  theological questions.  I'm in a life's pursuit to better understand God and today I don't always have the answers.....there's plenty of time that I just don't know things, but that's ok.  When we admit we don't know it can put us on a path to learn way more than we ever considered.

Some folks call themselves believers yet question God's reality, but I wouldn't consider them genuine believers if they can't come to terms with the basic foundation of God's reality.  I wouldn't consider them immoral or heathens or anything negative either.  I belief they just haven't given themselves fully to God yet....not always an easy thing to do.

Now, if a belief system stands opposed to Christ and scripture I consider it to be demonically motivated....that's the essence of spiritual warfare.   "See you can do good without God.....we don't need Jesus Christ.  We're already good!"

So this ALWAYS begs the question:  If a Buddhist's sole purpose in life is to convey peace then that's demonic?  

No, the individual isn't demonic, but if they espouse a belief system that does not support Christ then the foundations are anti-Christ and demonic regardless of whether or not that stance is specifically spelled out in their particular doctrine.  

Support love.  Support peace.  Support goodness.  Support one another.

There are plenty of secular organizations that seek to do nothing but good for people....keep those motivations going because it's awesome.  Although, in order for an individual to align themselves with divine righteousness they can't do so with their human works alone.  It's only through Christ that this is achieved.  Keep striving for good, but also align your heart with Christ....that's the perfect combination I think.  

the essence of all true spiritual paths is one and the same.

enlightenment, the kingdom of heaven, samadhi, self realization are all one and the same.

All strong and humble men and women can realize there true nature which is one with christ,buddha,allah, the tao, the source of all being which is inseparable from who we are in our deepest essence.

When the body is totally calm and relaxed and the discursive thoughts and feelings come to a complete standstill, only then does one know what God is. Having strong convictions is not enough.

This talk of spiritual warfare against those who do not accept your version of what Christ only props up your sense of meaning and purpose, its not different than the Jihadists and the Infidels except yours is a peaceful path. But on the intellectual level its the same.

[Teutonic Knight]

The Holy Spirit of God.

If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.

Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them.   They deny God and choose themselves and the world.  Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him.   Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me.  I just desire for others to know God.

 

I desire slim young pussy only & double espresso 
any good porn in that 'scripture' 

Who is everyone 

[Man of Steel]

I desire slim young pussy only & double espresso  
any good porn in that 'scripture'  

Who is everyone  

Hey, that's terrific.

No pornography in scripture although the Song of Solomon has some descriptive, poetic themes about love and intimacy.

The entirety of humanity is everyone.  

What is humanity?  Every human on Earth.  

What is a human?  A person.

What is a person?  An individual.

What is an individual?  A single person.

Everyone is every individual, human person on Earth.  

[The Ugly]

The Holy Spirit of God.

If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.

Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them.   They deny God and choose themselves and the world.  Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him.   Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me.  I just desire for others to know God.

 

How did you determine this? My experience has been the exact opposite.

[Teutonic Knight]

Hey, that's terrific.

No pornography in scripture although the Song of Solomon has some descriptive, poetic themes about love and intimacy.

The entirety of humanity is everyone.  

What is humanity?  Every human on Earth.  

What is a human?  A person.

What is a person?  An individual.

What is an individual?  A single person.

Everyone is every individual, human person on Earth.  

I don't classify Wiggzers as humanoids 
Any porno images of J.C. banging Maria Magdalena ?.

[Man of Steel]

How did you determine this? My experience has been the exact opposite.

It's indicated in scripture.

Romans 1:20
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

[Man of Steel]

I don't classify Wiggzers as humanoids 
Any porno images of J.C. banging Maria Magdalena ?.

Again no pornography in scripture. 

Further I know comments like this are intended to get a laugh and also to rattle believers, but it doesn't effect me in the least.

I don't prefer them, but at the same time I know comments like this are simply "of the world"....they are products of the unregenerate heart.

With the Holy Spirit of God indwelling a believer the inclination for such things changes....new eyes perceive these things differently and we work to avoid them.  It's a lifelong pursuit.

[The Ugly]

It's indicated in scripture.

Romans 1:20
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

That's not enough, I'm afraid.

[Man of Steel]

That's not enough, I'm afraid.

I hear you, but there isn't any expectation that any nonbeliever is going to say, "yeah MOS, you're right....scripture says it....I was wrong."  

I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know here.    

Scripture acts as a mirror, lamp and light for everyone and its typically in moments of solitude and reflection that people investigate within themselves and truly wrestle with the reality of God.  

In public or an online forum.....not so much LOL.  

James 1:22-25
22 But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23 For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. 24 You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. 25 But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.

Psalm 119:105
105 Your word is a lamp to guide my feet and a light for my path.

[The Ugly]

I hear you, but there isn't any expectation that any nonbeliever is going to say, "yeah MOS, you're right....scripture says it....I was wrong."  

I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know here.    

Scripture acts as a mirror, lamp and light for everyone and its typically in moments of solitude and reflection that people investigate within themselves and truly wrestle with the reality of God.  

In public or an online forum.....not so much LOL.  

James 1:22-25
22 But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23 For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. 24 You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. 25 But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.

Psalm 119:105
105 Your word is a lamp to guide my feet and a light for my path.

As I've told you privately, I wrestled with it my whole life. In hindsight, I'm certain it's because my family, friends, and society at large were all on board. So something was obviously wrong with me, I believed.

But when a ten year-old boy knows the scripture, the path, and the "truth," yet still finds it too unreasonable to believe, faith certainly wasn't innate with this child. Doubt was.

God, therefore, made me an atheist.

[The Ugly]

God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit, right? Faith then just meant 'trust that I know best'; not 'believe that I exist AND that I know best.' And those two fuckers couldn't even get it right. Brand spanking new off the lot, the perfect design, and it still malfunctioned. We hold Toyota to a higher standard.

Now here we are thousands of years later, and we're expected to follow all the rules based on words told, transcribed, re-transcribed (ad infinitum), translated, interpreted, reinterpreted (ad infinitum) - all by man. No direct communication anymore, but we're damned if we don't trust that all these folks got everything just as God intended.

Adam and fucking Eve couldn't get it right, yet He still expects us to. They were perfect, and He told them directly. None of that for us.

Shitty designer, if you ask me. No offense.

[Man of Steel]

As I've told you privately, I wrestled with it my whole life. In hindsight, I'm certain it's because my family, friends, and society at large were all on board. So something was obviously wrong with me, I believed.

But when a ten year-old boy knows the scripture, the path, and the "truth," yet still finds it too unreasonable to believe, faith certainly wasn't innate with this child. Doubt was.

God, therefore, made me an atheist.

I can see how you could reach that conclusion.  

I was raised in a Christian home and went through the motions of such an upbringing like so many others as a kid.....church, sunday school, vacation bible school, youth group, etc....

Although as I grew older I basically left my faith behind and strayed completely....nothing about me would indicate I believed....nothing.  I was also plagued daily with thoughts of, "do you really believe this God stuff?" and "you know you aren't really saved right?"   It was as if those things were whispered in my head everyday all day.

I abandoned God and never thought about him.....pushed him down and out of my life.   I lived for materialism and cared nothing for others.  I indulged in pornography and it was anger and bitterness that controlled my moods and opinions.  My language was off the charts horrific and I treated my family and friends very poorly.  I lived for the world....I lived for me.

Then one day (as I believe I've told you privately) I went through a personal experience that put one foot of mine in the grave....I was hours from death.  I was depressed and considering suicide.  My days were dark and my nights were pitch black....I was in a personal hell of my own making.

Then one evening, with nothing left to lose, I reached back into that Christian memory bank and with the encouragement of my wife gave it all back to the Lord and man did he respond!!   Immediately I was changed - through and through - and those doubts about God and salvation left me instantly because I was amidst the very presence of God....his spirit surrounded me so powerfully I'll never forget it.....still makes me tremble and smile.    

My point in illustrating this is that if you cling only to the naturalism of the world to justify God you'll come up short every single time.  What people have to come terms with is their stance on faith.....are they gonna leap at God or walk away from him.   You'll never experience God if you rely solely on the rationale of men or claim "that's all there is".   I speak about these things only out of love for people....because I desire for them to experience the righteous, life-changing goodness of God for themselves.  All I receive in return is ridicule and mocking (well, not from you  ).  Still, I can only lead folks to life giving water.....they must choose whether or not to drink.

[Man of Steel]

God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit, right? Faith then just meant 'trust that I know best'; not 'believe that I exist AND that I know best.' And those two fuckers couldn't even get it right. Brand spanking new off the lot, the perfect design, and it still malfunctioned. We hold Toyota to a higher standard.

Now here we are thousands of years later, and we're expected to follow all the rules based on words told, transcribed, re-transcribed (ad infinitum), translated, interpreted, reinterpreted (ad infinitum) - all by man. No direct communication anymore, but we're damned if we don't trust that all these folks got everything just as God intended.

Adam and fucking Eve couldn't get it right, yet He still expects us to. They were perfect, and He told them directly. None of that for us.

Shitty designer, if you ask me. No offense.

Was God's creation "perfect" or "good"?   We can consult scripture:

Genesis 1:31
31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good!

Human decision making can only be perfected if it aligns fully with God's will.  He communicated his will - he gave them divine insight - and they chose to defy it.  God's sovreignity and foreknowledge of their choice does not impact their choice.  His sovreignity allowed and accomodated their choice to stray and his foreknowledge provided a means to guide them through future choices.  

Every choice we make is an opportunity for us to better understand and align with God's will for us, but we have no expectation of perfection nor are we established in a perfect world.....it's a good world and we're a good creation.  We're imperfect because he allows us to accept or deny his will, but he gave of himself in the form of the incarnate son in Jesus Christ so that our acts of defiance can be reconciled to righteousness.

Faith is acknowledging and accepting his good will.  It's trusting that what he said would be will be.  It's an initial leap that transitions into the full assurance of who he is and what he desires for us.  Faith begins young and immature and grows into something solid and eternal.  It doesn't remain blind.  If it did I'd have zero confidence in my words today.

[The Ugly]

I can see how you could reach that conclusion.  

I was raised in a Christian home and went through the motions of such an upbringing like so many others as a kid.....church, sunday school, vacation bible school, youth group, etc....

Although as I grew older I basically left my faith behind and strayed completely....nothing about would indicate I believed....nothing.  I was also plagued daily with thoughts of, "do you really believe this God stuff?" and "you know you aren't really saved right?"   It was as if those things were whispered in my head everyday all day.

I abandoned God and never thought about him.....pushed him down and out of my life.   I lived for materialism and cared nothing for others.  I indulged in pornography and it was anger and bitterness that controlled my moods and opinions.  My language was off the charts horrific and I treated my family and friends very poorly.  I lived for the world....I lived for me.

Then one day (as I believe I've told you privately) I went through a personal experience that put one foot of mine in the grave....I was hours from death.  I was depressed and considering suicide.  My days were dark and my nights were pitch black....I was in a personal hell of my own making.

Then one evening, with nothing left to lose, I reached back into that Christian memory bank and with the encouragement of my wife gave it all back to the Lord and man did he respond!!   Immediately I was changed - through and through - and those doubts about God and salvation left me instantly because I was amidst the very presence of God....his spirit surrounded me so powerfully I'll never forget it.....still makes me tremble and smile.    

My point in illustrating this is that if you cling only to the naturalism of the world to justify God you'll come up short every single time.  What people have to come terms with is their stance on faith.....are they gonna leap at God or walk away from him.   You'll never experience God if you rely solely on the rationale of men or claim "that's all there is".   I speak about these things only out of love for people....because I desire for them to experience the righteous, life-changing goodness of God for themselves.  All I receive in return is ridicule and mocking.  Still, I can only lead folks to life giving water.....they must choose whether or not to drink.

I don't doubt your sincerity in wanting to help others.

Any idea why God made hide 'n' seek such a big part of His plan? For the life of me, can't understand why suspending disbelief would be so important to someone/thing that just wanted to be loved and obeyed.