To all the Liberals...

[2Thick]

No sense of arguing politics because politicians are not the ones who control or run this world.

Its elite bankers and CEO's of major corporations and people in the oil field.

Its best to avoid any argument about politics. Its equivalent to arguing whose sport team is better.

He's obviously a butthurt gimmick.

I've been saying forever that politicians do not control the stock market, the price of a barrel of oil, interest rates, etc.  

They DO increase or decrease taxes and regulations - which can make it a little easier or a little harder to make money and take more money home.

Goddamn you people are dense.

[Primemuscle]

What stories do they bring you, that sets them apart?

CNN actually has a slightly higher credibility rating then Fox News according to the Pew Research Center. http://www.people-press.org/2010/09/12/section-5-news-media-credibility/

[Primemuscle]

No sense of arguing politics because politicians are not the ones who control or run this world.

Its elite bankers and CEO's of major corporations and people in the oil field.

Its best to avoid any argument about politics. Its equivalent to arguing whose sport team is better.

I agree. But arguing politics is a national pastime.

[240 is Back]

Whatever you say, 240. You've got to justify voting for Obama twice by blaming Bush for everything and vilifying him constantly.

And no, I'm not a big Bush fan myself. But a chimp who does nothing would be better than the mess we're in now.

Not ALL of the people on that list of quotes wanted war.  Some made quotes in 1998 and were retired for years before Iraq War in 2003.  

[SF1900]

He's obviously a butthurt gimmick.

I've been saying forever that politicians do not control the stock market, the price of a barrel of oil, interest rates, etc.  

They DO increase or decrease taxes and regulations - which can make it a little easier or a little harder to make money and take more money home.

Goddamn you people are dense.

But beyond that, they are pretty much puppets to others.

[Thong Maniac]

No sense of arguing politics because politicians are not the ones who control or run this world.

Its elite bankers and CEO's of major corporations and people in the oil field.

Its best to avoid any argument about politics. Its equivalent to arguing whose sport team is better.

Thats why debating is pointless and misdirected

[2Thick]

But beyond that, they are pretty much puppets to others.

I've often made comments about Soros making Obama do this or that. Obama used to work for one of Soros's companies when he was a "community organizer".

But it does suck to have more regs than you know what to do with thrown at you when you're already in a highly regulated industry. Or to see you own income taxes increase more and more, or to see your clients get taxed more and more on things like dividends that they depend upon for income, since they're not able to earn much interest in the credit markets (without taking on much higher risk that they should) with rates being so low. Or to see certain industries get penalized and extorted to the point where they have a hard time getting by. These things are controlled by politicians and their benefactors.

The regs are REALLY hurting small businesses. Big business can afford to hire people to take on the added headaches. And they often support and lobby for many regs anyway - as long as those regs benefit them - preferably while also hurting their competition.

Netflix and others were all for net neutrality. Now that they see the fine print, they realize they too are getting screwed.  

And all that aside, the fact that the Fed has felt it necessary to keep rates at zero for 6 years is scary in itself.


PS - not at all happy with the ACA either.

[Las Vegas]

CNN actually has a slightly higher credibility rating then Fox News according to the Pew Research Center. http://www.people-press.org/2010/09/12/section-5-news-media-credibility/

That is the magic word, because there is nothing in that project to see what credibility actually exists.  Absolutely nothing.  It's based on asking people what they prefer to watch.

Even worse, it stretches out the number of "news organizations" to 14 (60 Minutes and CBS are separate, now?  Look at every one of those on that list...the list is a joke)

But...

NOW a bunch of dipsticks are watching CNN thinking "ah, the truth".  That is the end result.

[Primemuscle]

That is the magic word, because there is nothing in that project to see what credibility actually exists.  Absolutely nothing.  It's based on asking people what they prefer to watch.

Even worse, it stretches out the number of "news organizations" to 14 (60 Minutes and CBS are separate, now?  Look at every one of those on that list...the list is a joke)

But...

NOW a bunch of dipsticks are watching CNN thinking "ah, the truth".  That is the end result.

Perhaps you were expecting something different then what this is. The article is clear about it being what the viewers and readers think is credible. If you look at the numbers, none of the broadcasters and news sources are seen as being very credible since the best rating is only 33%.

If I convincingly tell you a lie and you believe me, then to you I am credible. This doesn't alter the fact that I lied to you.

CBS News and 60 minutes are two different shows which are broadcast on the same channel. I'm not sure why you have an issue with this.

Have you ever noticed how the news media simply retells the same stories? Occasionally they do it with a little different slant is all.

[Las Vegas]

Perhaps you were expecting something different then what this is. The article is clear about it being what the viewers and readers think is credible. If you look at the numbers, none of the broadcasters and news sources are seen as being very credible since the best rating is only 33%.

If I convincingly tell you a lie and you believe me, then to you I am credible. This doesn't alter the fact that I lied to you.

Unfortunately, what I've come to expect from nonsense like this bullshit, is exactly what happens:

MUCH MORE CREDIBILITY than the other networks

There you go.
 

CBS News and 60 minutes are two different shows which are broadcast on the same channel. I'm not sure why you have an issue with this.

Have you ever noticed how the news media simply retells the same stories? Occasionally they do it with a little different slant is all.

An echo-chamber.  Yes.  That's the point, and it's why you have to be honest when separating "news organizations".

[Primemuscle]

Unfortunately, what I've come to expect from nonsense like this bullshit, is exactly what happens:

MUCH MORE CREDIBILITY than the other networks

Andreisdanan clearly overstated this and lost some of his credibility based on what I read about the news media credibility. Credibility is subjective.

[andreisdaman]

Andreisdanan clearly overstated this and lost some of his credibility based on what I read about the news media credibility. Credibility is subjective.

you are right....credibility is subjective......however. ...It depends on what facts are agreed on by all....I find I and my friends can reach A CONSENSUS ON WHATS PRESENTED ON CNN.....whereas that's not the case with FOX and MSNBC.......I get my news from different sources and I synthesize it and match it with what I've learned from reading, education etc....CNN far and away is much more credible than FOX and MSNBC...so are CBS and ABC,.... NBC is somewhat suspect but I think Meet the Press is pretty good

Also people criticize Rachel Maddow but she presents source material while shes presenting her viewpoint.....I find her to be credible and thorough

[Las Vegas]

Andreisdanan clearly overstated this and lost some of his credibility based on what I read about the news media credibility.

He misunderstood it like lots of people probably do, if that's what you mean to say.

Credibility is subjective.

And it has to rely on either truth or deception to exist, doesn't it?

[Primemuscle]

And it has to rely on either truth or deception to exist, doesn't it?

It would be good if credibility was based on truth or deception, but in truth, it isn't. It is based on the perception of truth or deception.

[Las Vegas]

It would be good if credibility was based on truth or deception, but in truth, it isn't. It is based on the perception of truth or deception.

Requiring either truth or deception, in other words.

[Las Vegas]

Perceiving deception indicates a lack of credibility, doesn't it?

[The Scott]

Perceiving deception indicates a lack of credibility, doesn't it?

Not necessarily for it may also point to nothing more than personal bias.  People like what they like and dislike what they hate.  Call it eyes wide open, mind shut tight.

As for politics, well for me (with one notable exception) I have always had to choose between that which I considered the lesser of two evils.  My family is quite liberal on our maternal side.  Only my mother appears to have been blessed with a mind of her own and fortunately she passed this own to me.

But you may not agree and while that is your right the reality of such "conflicts" is that they cancel  each other out at the voting booth.  Regardless of that it almost always seems that outside silverback like posturing, little gets done in the squared circle of DC.

[Las Vegas]

Not necessarily for it may also point to nothing more than personal bias.  People like what they like and dislike what they hate.  Call it eyes wide open, mind shut tight.

As for politics, well for me (with one notable exception) I have always had to choose between that which I considered the lesser of two evils.  My family is quite liberal on our maternal side.  Only my mother appears to have been blessed with a mind of her own and fortunately she passed this own to me.

But you may not agree and while that is your right the reality of such "conflicts" is that they cancel  each other out at the voting booth.  Regardless of that it almost always seems that outside silverback like posturing, little gets done in the squared circle of DC.

It's a response to this from Primemuscle:

It is based on the perception of truth or deception.

[The Scott]

It's a response to this from Primemuscle:

Yes, I understood that and was offering comment from my perspective on your reply.  Thanks!

[Las Vegas]

Yes, I understood that and was offering comment from my perspective on your reply.  Thanks!

Meaning that the perception of truth allows credibility to exist, that's all.

Thank you, Scott.

[Primemuscle]

Requiring either truth or deception, in other words.

Everything is either true or false, despite that some folks believe there is a middle ground. The point is perception is powerful when it comes to credibility. Many truths and lies are perceived wrongly. This explains why there are often many versions of the truth or untruth and why people argue about what is true and what isn't. Sometimes people lie and honestly believe their own lies.

[andreisdaman]

you guys are really belaboring the point....CNN is hands down the most fair cable news outlet....I watch a lot of news......FOX and MSNBC are simply biased....there is no other way to put it......of course bias will creep into CNN's content sometimes as wel..but if you are truly well-informed and have critical thinking skills then you can spot bias almost immediately.....All outlets have something to offer, even the Al Jazeera network.....but you have to be pretty well infomed so as to know when you are being conned

[240 is Back]

you guys are really belaboring the point....CNN is hands down the most fair cable news outlet....I watch a lot of news......FOX and MSNBC are simply biased....there is no other way to put it......of course bias will creep into CNN's content sometimes as wel..but if you are truly well-informed and have critical thinking skills then you can spot bias almost immediately.....All outlets have something to offer, even the Al Jazeera network.....but you have to be pretty well infomed so as to know when you are being conned

CNN's biggest flaw is that they turn into TMZ every time a michael jackson dies or some royal douchebag in UK decides to get married.  Then it's a ten day wall-to-wall coverage thing.

[andreisdaman]

CNN's biggest flaw is that they turn into TMZ every time a michael jackson dies or some royal douchebag in UK decides to get married.  Then it's a ten day wall-to-wall coverage thing.

oh I definitely agree on this....but if I want to be informed I go to CNN ...if I want to be entertained or want to see WTF head scratching moments then its FOX or MSNBC

[Primemuscle]

you guys are really belaboring the point....CNN is hands down the most fair cable news outlet....I watch a lot of news......FOX and MSNBC are simply biased....there is no other way to put it......of course bias will creep into CNN's content sometimes as wel..but if you are truly well-informed and have critical thinking skills then you can spot bias almost immediately.....All outlets have something to offer, even the Al Jazeera network.....but you have to be pretty well infomed so as to know when you are being conned

You are right. Word games can be fun though.

Mostly, I avoid the news because it is usually bad news no matter who is telling the story.