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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2015, 08:25:02 PM »
Coach - his concealed knife was legal under maryland law.  
Therefore his detention was ILLEGAL.

They picked up a man who had committed NO CRIME, and they admit that now.  

I think you missed that detail.  He should never have been in police custody, his knife folded and was thus legal.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2015, 08:29:47 PM »
Coach - his concealed knife was legal under maryland law.  
Therefore his detention was ILLEGAL.

They picked up a man who had committed NO CRIME, and they admit that now.  

I think you missed that detail.  He should never have been in police custody, his knife folded and was thus legal.

Charged with second degree murder with depraved heart.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DepravedHeartMurder.aspx

Good luck with this. This was a trumped up bullshit charge that will go no where and as soon as it goes no where the idiots that already burned the city will probably burn the whole fucking state.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2015, 08:34:19 PM »
not only was dude arrested for zero legal reason -

once he was unconscious and unresponsive (after asking for medical attention), the cops STILL didn't call it in for him.

They picked up a dude for no reason.
They arrested him for a trumped up charge.
He asked for medical help, they refused.
He went unconscious, they STILL didn't get medcal help.

They find him dead after a few more stops, and pretend they didn't know what happened.

Shit man, this is the US of FUCKING A.   The man, like all of us, has a right not to be illegally detained and denied medical help.

Coach, when you said:

Nothing like some trumped up bullshit charges

Were you actually talking about the trumped up charges the cops illegally gave to Freddie Gray?

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2015, 08:35:04 PM »
Charged with second degree murder with depraved heart.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DepravedHeartMurder.aspx

Good luck with this. This was a trumped up bullshit charge that will go no where and as soon as it goes no where the idiots that already burned the city will probably burn the whole fucking state.

Coach, do you at least agree they broke the law by picking up a person who had committed ZERO CRIME and handcuffing him, tossing him in the back of the wagon?

yes or no?

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2015, 08:39:20 PM »
Charged with second degree murder with depraved heart.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DepravedHeartMurder.aspx

Good luck with this. This was a trumped up bullshit charge that will go no where and as soon as it goes no where the idiots that already burned the city will probably burn the whole fucking state.
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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2015, 08:42:58 PM »
Coach, do you at least agree they broke the law by picking up a person who had committed ZERO CRIME and handcuffing him, tossing him in the back of the wagon?

yes or no?

If there was no crime then why did he run when approached? (Why was he approached?) my guess at 10am in the morning it looked like a drug deal. Even if it wasn't the kid could have been recognized because he has a rap sheet 5 miles long with drug charges). I'm no cop or attorney but it seems to me the second you run from a cop give that cop has probable cause to run his ass down.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2015, 08:44:19 PM »
Matthew 5:22 - But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.


Stfu up ad learn the bible. Not just what seems to fit your lame agenda.



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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2015, 08:49:09 PM »
Cops admitted it.   They had no grounds to arrest him, they just didn't like his record or his punk ass face.

If you support the cops arresting a man who didn't commit a crime, then you don't support the constition.  PERIOD.
That's liberal shit right there... "lock him up, even if he broke no law".

Then when he dies in custody, for committing no crime... hey, its not the cops fault.

Shit man, its the USA.   The Constituton protects us from illegal search, seizure, detention.   Imagine how pissed you'd be - locked up for NO LAW BROKEN - and left to die facedown in a van.
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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2015, 08:51:25 PM »
If there was no crime then why did he run when approached? (Why was he approached?) my guess at 10am in the morning it looked like a drug deal. Even if it wasn't the kid could have been recognized because he has a rap sheet 5 miles long with drug charges). I'm no cop or attorney but it seems to me the second you run from a cop give that cop has probable cause to run his ass down.

He ran after "eye contact".

He committed no crime.  If I see cops and decide "I don't like it here, I'm going to jog outta here", they actually CANNOT DETAIN me just for running.  The cop ADMITS THE DUDE DID NOTHING WRONG, just started running after eye contact.

Hey, again, it's the USA.  You're ALLOWED to run unless they tell you to stop.   The decided he must be guilty of something, deciding to jog at that moment, so they chased him down.

That's #1.

Now, #2?  Once they caught him, they had no charge.  They couldn't even charge him with "eluding" because they chased him for no reason.  So they violated BAL law and charged him for a LEGAL weapon.

I guess I am asking you - do you realize he didn't actually commit any crime here, coach?  Do you?  Cause the cops have admitted it now, and the DA has too.  Only YOU still believe he committed a crime here?  OR do you now admit he was locked in police custody withouot actually breaking any law?

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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2015, 08:51:34 PM »
So since its illegal to resist illegal arrest...but if you let them arrest you they can kill you on the way to jail.  What are citizens to do if you're killed before you can get to court to have it sorted out?

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2015, 08:54:14 PM »
it seems to me the second you run from a cop give that cop has probable cause to run his ass down.

well, you are wrong here.  People are ALLOWED TO RUN on the streets in america.  People often decide, when they see multiple cops, it's time to jog on outta there, cause sometimes cops do things like, well, lock people in vans who haven't actually committed any crime.

Maybe you truly believe it's legal to lock people in cuffs in a van when they have broken no laws.  I dunno.  I wish you would admit "yes, they did lock his ass up despite the fact he broke no law".

Can we please start with that baby step?  You admit he was arrested withtout breaking any law?  (Remember, he wasn't charged with eluding police, cause they knew that wasn't a charge - they had no PC)

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2015, 08:55:16 PM »
Stfu up ad learn the bible. Not just what seems to fit your lame agenda.



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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2015, 08:55:49 PM »
So since its illegal to resist illegal arrest...but if you let them arrest you they can kill you on the way to jail.  What are citizens to do if you're killed before you can get to court to have it sorted out?

the police had no probable cause to stop the man.  he doesn't like cops, he sees them and decides it is time to jog.  THAT IS LEGAL, I think coach doesn't see that.   Cops don't have to like it, but if youre not breaking any law, they can't just grab you and toss you in a van.

I think Coach is slowly realizing that while FOX is screaming "trumped up charges", Coach truly cannot admit ANYTHING the dead man did which actually broke any law.   Coach?  

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2015, 08:57:18 PM »
Love watching 240 meltdown about cops cause he spent 15 minutes in handcuffs once 10 years ago. Lol ;D
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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2015, 09:01:22 PM »
the police had no probable cause to stop the man.  he doesn't like cops, he sees them and decides it is time to jog.  THAT IS LEGAL, I think coach doesn't see that.   Cops don't have to like it, but if youre not breaking any law, they can't just grab you and toss you in a van.

I think Coach is slowly realizing that while FOX is screaming "trumped up charges", Coach truly cannot admit ANYTHING the dead man did which actually broke any law.   Coach?  

You can get away with walking or running in a low crime area, but if it's in say a drug-infested area Baltimore, no chance in hell they're letting a guy run.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2015, 09:04:13 PM »
You can get away with walking or running in a low crime area, but if it's in say a drug-infested area Baltimore, no chance in hell they're letting a guy run.

But is running grounds for probable cause that allows an officer to chase someone? People can run for all different reasons, it does not mean they are necessarily committing a crime. Granted, I will contend that it may look more suspicious in a high-crime rate area, but the law does not automatically change just because youre in one neighborhood, as opposed to another. Running is not committing a crime.  I mean, I don't  know. I am asking a serious question.
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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2015, 09:07:49 PM »
well, you are wrong here.  People are ALLOWED TO RUN on the streets in america.  People often decide, when they see multiple cops, it's time to jog on outta there, cause sometimes cops do things like, well, lock people in vans who haven't actually committed any crime.

Maybe you truly believe it's legal to lock people in cuffs in a van when they have broken no laws.  I dunno.  I wish you would admit "yes, they did lock his ass up despite the fact he broke no law".

Can we please start with that baby step?  You admit he was arrested withtout breaking any law?  (Remember, he wasn't charged with eluding police, cause they knew that wasn't a charge - they had no PC)

Come on down to E. LA, Compton or Watts, look suspicious, make eye contact with a cop then run. Let's see how far you get.  Keep fucking with them.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2015, 09:09:02 PM »
But is running grounds for probable cause that allows an officer to chase someone? People can run for all different reasons, it does not mean they are necessarily committing a crime. Granted, I will contend that it may look more suspicious in a high-crime rate area, but the law does not automatically change just because youre in one neighborhood, as opposed to another. Running is not committing a crime.  I mean, I don't  know. I am asking a serious question.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/run-police-us-courts-apply-double-standard-30676216

Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity.

This double standard is having a major impact as more black men die in encounters with police around the country. Many have been shot or tackled while trying to flee. The court rulings justifying police chases in high-crime areas where many African-Americans live are contributing to a dangerous divide between police and citizens, said Ezekiel Edwards, director of the Criminal Law Reform Project at the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Folks who are going to be the most intimidated or scared of the police are the same people in places where the Supreme Court has said, 'if you run from police, that's suspicion,'" he said.

Edwards is among the legal experts who say unprovoked flight, on its own, shouldn't justify a chase: "If you can walk away, you can run away. It shouldn't matter the speed at which you move away."

There are limits to this leeway: The Supreme Court and lower courts have repeatedly required police to have some justification for stopping or questioning someone in a public place. But several legal experts say that because he was standing in a drug-infested area, Gray's decision to bolt on April 12 may have justified the decision by four bicycle-riding officers to pursue and detain him.

"If the police show up and someone takes off running, that is enough to give rise to suspicion by police," said Joelle Moreno, a former federal prosecutor who is now associate dean of the Florida International University law school. "Running is enough for a preliminary level of suspicion."

Gray, 25, was pinned to a sidewalk, handcuffed and hoisted into a police van where he was put in leg irons after Baltimore officers said he made eye contact with them and ran. Somewhere along the way, he suffered a fatal spinal injury, and the six officers involved were suspended with pay amid a criminal investigation. Many in Baltimore are skeptical, questioning why officers chased after him to begin with.

Baltimore police initially said the officers acted because they believed Gray was involved in some kind of criminal activity. Later that day, an officer swore in a court document that he had found a knife clipped to the inside of Gray's pocket, and asked that he be charged with carrying a switchblade. A summons was produced, but Gray was in a coma by then, and died a week later.

"The officers made eye contact and he ran. That's part of the question we have to dig into, if there's more than just running. There is no law against running," Baltimore police commissioner Anthony Batts said.

A Gray family lawyer put it more plainly: "Felony running doesn't exist and you can't arrest someone for looking you in the eye," attorney Billy Murphy said.

Even without a law however, officers can make so-called "good arrests" of runners that will hold up in court because of two legal requirements that have evolved from court rulings on police powers to stop people. The first is higher — probable cause — which requires that police have "sufficiently trustworthy facts" to believe the person was or will be involved in a crime.

The second is lower — reasonable suspicion. The officer must still have specific facts warranting a stop, but not necessarily know whether a crime has been or will be committed. This is the pretext often used by police for "stop and frisk" encounters, and the fact that Gray was in an identifiable high-crime neighborhood adds to the justification by police.

"Courts have found that flight from police presence in a high-crime area creates reasonable suspicion warranting an investigatory stop," said Michael Grieco, a former Miami-Dade County prosecutor now in private practice. "Police are only supposed to use enough reasonable force for apprehension and we are repeatedly seeing the products of excessive tactics."

Others said courts have split on exactly what reasonable suspicion entails. Donald M. Jones, a University of Miami law professor and Baltimore native, said Gray's act of simply running away may not have been enough.

"That is very thin. People run for many reasons. Many people have reasons to be afraid of the police," Jones said. "I think that is ambiguous, but the courts are divided on that."

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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2015, 09:16:28 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/run-police-us-courts-apply-double-standard-30676216

Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity.

This double standard is having a major impact as more black men die in encounters with police around the country. Many have been shot or tackled while trying to flee. The court rulings justifying police chases in high-crime areas where many African-Americans live are contributing to a dangerous divide between police and citizens, said Ezekiel Edwards, director of the Criminal Law Reform Project at the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Folks who are going to be the most intimidated or scared of the police are the same people in places where the Supreme Court has said, 'if you run from police, that's suspicion,'" he said.

Edwards is among the legal experts who say unprovoked flight, on its own, shouldn't justify a chase: "If you can walk away, you can run away. It shouldn't matter the speed at which you move away."

There are limits to this leeway: The Supreme Court and lower courts have repeatedly required police to have some justification for stopping or questioning someone in a public place. But several legal experts say that because he was standing in a drug-infested area, Gray's decision to bolt on April 12 may have justified the decision by four bicycle-riding officers to pursue and detain him.

"If the police show up and someone takes off running, that is enough to give rise to suspicion by police," said Joelle Moreno, a former federal prosecutor who is now associate dean of the Florida International University law school. "Running is enough for a preliminary level of suspicion."

Gray, 25, was pinned to a sidewalk, handcuffed and hoisted into a police van where he was put in leg irons after Baltimore officers said he made eye contact with them and ran. Somewhere along the way, he suffered a fatal spinal injury, and the six officers involved were suspended with pay amid a criminal investigation. Many in Baltimore are skeptical, questioning why officers chased after him to begin with.

Baltimore police initially said the officers acted because they believed Gray was involved in some kind of criminal activity. Later that day, an officer swore in a court document that he had found a knife clipped to the inside of Gray's pocket, and asked that he be charged with carrying a switchblade. A summons was produced, but Gray was in a coma by then, and died a week later.

"The officers made eye contact and he ran. That's part of the question we have to dig into, if there's more than just running. There is no law against running," Baltimore police commissioner Anthony Batts said.

A Gray family lawyer put it more plainly: "Felony running doesn't exist and you can't arrest someone for looking you in the eye," attorney Billy Murphy said.

Even without a law however, officers can make so-called "good arrests" of runners that will hold up in court because of two legal requirements that have evolved from court rulings on police powers to stop people. The first is higher — probable cause — which requires that police have "sufficiently trustworthy facts" to believe the person was or will be involved in a crime.

The second is lower — reasonable suspicion. The officer must still have specific facts warranting a stop, but not necessarily know whether a crime has been or will be committed. This is the pretext often used by police for "stop and frisk" encounters, and the fact that Gray was in an identifiable high-crime neighborhood adds to the justification by police.

"Courts have found that flight from police presence in a high-crime area creates reasonable suspicion warranting an investigatory stop," said Michael Grieco, a former Miami-Dade County prosecutor now in private practice. "Police are only supposed to use enough reasonable force for apprehension and we are repeatedly seeing the products of excessive tactics."

Others said courts have split on exactly what reasonable suspicion entails. Donald M. Jones, a University of Miami law professor and Baltimore native, said Gray's act of simply running away may not have been enough.

"That is very thin. People run for many reasons. Many people have reasons to be afraid of the police," Jones said. "I think that is ambiguous, but the courts are divided on that."

Thanks for the article, Rambone.

That definitely makes situations more tricky. I mean, what do you do in neighborhoods that are somewhere in-between? Not the best neighborhoods, but not horrible either? To an extent, but not solely, this is subjective. Well, there are obvious areas that are more crime ridden than others. But sometimes the difference between a bad neighborhood and a not-so-bad neighborhood is a matter of blocks.
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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2015, 09:34:08 PM »
Dude, do you fucking realize how long it takes to gather evidence and proof to come up with a fucking murder charge. They would have had to wake up in the morning with the full intent to go out and KILL someone. Are you serious? You really think you're going to be able to PROVE six cops (3 white 3 black) purposely had the Intent to kill a black person that day? There is absolutely ZERO proof and not only that the prosecuting attorney has personal ties to the family. Get off your cop hating bullshit rants and think for a change. I swear to God Rob I think you're just trolling 90% of the time

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2015, 10:20:30 PM »
In the vast majority of states, running from the cops is grounds to be chased and cuffed up. I think only those covered by the 9th district (Maryland isn't one of them) forbid cops from going after people who run from them. Otherwise, it's presumed if you are running, there's a reason, and you'll get chased. And resisting arrest is, then, legally grounds for arrest.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2015, 10:31:51 PM »
Come on down to E. LA, Compton or Watts, look suspicious, make eye contact with a cop then run. Let's see how far you get.  Keep fucking with them.

de facto, not de jure.

It's not probable cause, bro.

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2015, 10:34:17 PM »
In the vast majority of states, running from the cops is grounds to be chased and cuffed up. I think only those covered by the 9th district (Maryland isn't one of them) forbid cops from going after people who run from them. Otherwise, it's presumed if you are running, there's a reason, and you'll get chased. And resisting arrest is, then, legally grounds for arrest.

He wasn't running from police.  He decided to run and they didn't like the looks of it, so they stopped and searched him.

The cops admit they didn't say "stop", then he ran.  The cops just said "one of us had eye contact with him, and he started running, so we chased him and cuffed him".

So not to feed the whole protester thing - they should all be beaten with fire hosts - but if Freddie Gray is a 58 year old Eskimo women in jogging clothes who makes eye contact with a policeman and starts running - do they chase, stop, pin, cuff and search her?   

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2015, 10:37:43 PM »
You can get away with walking or running in a low crime area, but if it's in say a drug-infested area Baltimore, no chance in hell they're letting a guy run.

If it's a 63 year old man from Taiwan, wearing a business suit, and he makes eye contact with a bike cop and starts runnning...

Do they chase him down?  Do they cuff him?  Do they illegally detain him for a legal knife?

Shit man, the cops ADMIT they had no cause to stop.  They ADMIT the knife wasn't a legal reason to detain/arrest.  They ADMIT he asked for help over and over.  They they admit he was suddenly dead.

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Re: The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!
« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2015, 10:38:02 PM »
Every time one of those bums gets arrested they beg for medical attention so they can go to the hospital instead of jail. Everyone of them begs for it. They stopped three times to try and calm the fucker down. Imagine dealing with these dirt bags day to day in the worst heroin district in the country 240 your are a retard I hope you aren't white.

This is absolutely political Obama is pulling the string on all this shit. That speech that lady gave made me throw up in my mouth. Taking the side of the protesters. She had one fucking night to do her investigation what a joke. The left has turned into a gang. How can you charge them with second degree murder it will never etick


My hatred for the left just keeps growing stronger and stronger and I know a lot of other people fed up with this horse shit. It's going to boil over.