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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #375 on: September 03, 2015, 07:26:52 AM »
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #376 on: September 03, 2015, 07:36:37 AM »
HAHAHA good, and I'm a Giants fan!

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #377 on: September 03, 2015, 07:45:35 AM »

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #378 on: September 03, 2015, 07:46:41 AM »
Bob Kraft now asking for his $1,000,000.000 fine back along with their Number 1 and 4 Draft pics

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #379 on: September 03, 2015, 08:09:07 AM »
If the Pats play like last night, it doesn't matter who will be QB. They will be 4-12, max.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #380 on: September 03, 2015, 08:12:57 AM »
Brady wins his appeal. Zero game suspension.
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #381 on: September 03, 2015, 09:14:15 AM »
Brady wins his appeal. Zero game suspension.

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Judge Richard Berman ruled in favor of Tom Brady and vacated his four-game suspension for his role in Deflategate. Berman issued his ruling in a 40-page document, which can be found here.

Here are the biggest takeaways:

— “There were several legal deficiencies, including inadequate notice to Brady of both his potential discipline (four-game suspension) and his alleged misconduct; (B) denial of the opportunity for Brady to examine one of two lead investigators, namely NFL Executive Vice President and General Counsel Jeff Pash; and (C) denial of equal access to investigative files, including witness interview notes.”

— The NFL and Roger Goodell said they based the four-game suspension as an equivalent to a suspension for steroids. The court did not back that claim, stating, “Brady also had no notice that his discipline would be the equivalent of the discipline imposed upon a player who used performance enhancing drugs.” It added, “it cannot, as a matter of law, serve as adequate notice of discipline to Brady. It also cannot reasonably be used as a comparator for Brady’s four-game suspension.”

Also, Berman writes it is “law of the shop” to give players notice for potential discipline and matters and Brady wasn’t given any.

— The ruling also goes into the “general awareness” aspect of the case, which was the main finding of the Wells Report. Berman says,”as a matter of law, no NFL policy or precedent notifies players that they may be disciplined (much less suspended) for general awareness of misconduct by others. And, it does not appear that the NFL has ever, prior to this case, sought to punish players for such an alleged violation.”

— Berman also had an issue with the NFL claiming Ted Wells was an independent investigator, as five times in the document quotation marks were used around the word “independent.”

— The NFL didn’t have co-lead investigator Jeff Pash at the arbitral hearing, which Berman called “fundamentally unfair.” He added, “It is also problematic to the Court that there was no specification by Goodell as to the ways Pash’s testimony would have been ‘cumulative.'”

With Pash not at the hearing, Berman says Brady was “prejudiced.”

The conclusion reads: “For the reasons stated herein, the Management Council’s motion to confirm the arbitration award [ECF No.4] is denied and the Players Association’s motion to vacate the arbitration award [ECF No. 28] is granted. Brady’s four-game suspension is vacated, effective immediately.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #382 on: September 03, 2015, 09:25:13 AM »
Donald Trump says Tom Brady should sue the league for 500 million of defamation.

I think he should do that and sue ESPN for 500 million. ESPN were on an all out attack on Brady and lied about ball pressure. Even when they knew the correct pressure...

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #383 on: September 03, 2015, 09:30:13 AM »
Donald Trump says Tom Brady should sue the league for 500 million of defamation.

I think he should do that and sue ESPN for 500 million. ESPN were on an all out attack on Brady and lied about ball pressure. Even when they knew the correct pressure...

the republican base is in love with Brady. 

It's obviously Brady KNEW the balls were flat.  Everyone interviewed, from Qbs to longsnappers, talks about how they can feel an under- or over-inflated ball instantly.

This is just like the hilary servergate thing... if you destroy the evidence, and you lawyer up, in the USA you usually get away with it.  He's guilty of knowingly using deflated balls, we all know it.  She's guilty of shady email and deletion, we all know it.  But it's America, and you can't beat the truth out of people.  They're smart, they get away with the shit.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #384 on: September 03, 2015, 09:38:30 AM »
I love it. Maybe that will teach the NFL to be more careful with assessing penalties in the future.

You dont specifically tell Brady that they won't need his cell phone, and then use that against him when he destroys it.

Wells is a moron.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #385 on: September 03, 2015, 09:52:20 AM »
Wonder if it would be the same ruling if Brady was black

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #386 on: September 03, 2015, 10:27:50 AM »
the republican base is in love with Brady. 

It's obviously Brady KNEW the balls were flat.  Everyone interviewed, from Qbs to longsnappers, talks about how they can feel an under- or over-inflated ball instantly.

This is just like the hilary servergate thing... if you destroy the evidence, and you lawyer up, in the USA you usually get away with it.  He's guilty of knowingly using deflated balls, we all know it.  She's guilty of shady email and deletion, we all know it.  But it's America, and you can't beat the truth out of people.  They're smart, they get away with the shit.
You mean like this Patriot?

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #387 on: September 03, 2015, 10:28:42 AM »
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
PATS! 8)
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #388 on: September 03, 2015, 10:31:53 AM »
Goodell looking like a fool.  So is Houston owner Bob Mcnair coming out against Brady a couple days ago.  This judge was also one sided the first time he spoke mentioning how these decisions tend to favor the player.  Should he be saying that before he even saw the evidence?

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #389 on: September 03, 2015, 10:46:21 AM »
Goodell looking like a fool.

This is a perpetual condition for him.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #390 on: September 03, 2015, 10:57:05 AM »
Donald Trump says Tom Brady should sue the league for 500 million of defamation.

I think he should do that and sue ESPN for 500 million. ESPN were on an all out attack on Brady and lied about ball pressure. Even when they knew the correct pressure...


If the NFL does appeal  , they Brady Should most definitely start his own lawsuit cases against them for wasting his time and tarnishing his legacy and value in the market place


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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #391 on: September 03, 2015, 10:58:02 AM »
The only thing that can stop Tom Brady is the Giants 8)

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #392 on: September 03, 2015, 10:59:49 AM »

If the NFL does appeal  , they Brady Should most definitely start his own lawsuit cases against them






Sue for what?  The main driver was the NFL was guilty of was not informing Brady of the possible penalties for non compliance.

It doesn't mean he's innocent.
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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #393 on: September 03, 2015, 11:01:48 AM »

Sue for what?  The main driver was the NFL was guilty of was not informing Brady of the possible penalties for non compliance.

It doesn't mean he's innocent.

In theory he could have an interesting defamation lawsuit against the NFL, Jaws and ESPN for the "12 out of 12 balls were under inflated" thing.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #394 on: September 03, 2015, 11:11:07 AM »
All this does is send the case to the 2nd circuit where the NFL knew it was going all along and where they stand a better chance of winning.
And that will happen during the season, so the Cheatriots get to ruin yet another season with their nonstop garbage.

The perfect settlement would be to give the Cheatriots to the Canadian Football league so we Americans can enjoy football again without the chronic cheaters and their annoying fans.  It's a win-win since the Cheatriots don't have to ever worry about losing another Super Bowl to the Manning brother with downs syndrome. 

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #395 on: September 03, 2015, 11:37:06 AM »
All this does is send the case to the 2nd circuit where the NFL knew it was going all along and where they stand a better chance of winning.
And that will happen during the season, so the Cheatriots get to ruin yet another season with their nonstop garbage.

The perfect settlement would be to give the Cheatriots to the Canadian Football league so we Americans can enjoy football again without the chronic cheaters and their annoying fans.  It's a win-win since the Cheatriots don't have to ever worry about losing another Super Bowl to the Manning brother with downs syndrome. 

don't think its downs but he has assbergers

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #396 on: September 03, 2015, 11:40:19 AM »
don't think its downs but he has assbergers

They both have a touch of something, that is for sure.

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #397 on: September 03, 2015, 12:32:31 PM »
Its about time something in life goes Tom Brady's way  ;D



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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #398 on: September 03, 2015, 12:35:18 PM »
Wonder if it would be the same ruling if Brady was black

If he was black, lawyers would have talked the black man into taking a deal...

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Re: Deflategate <again>
« Reply #399 on: September 03, 2015, 12:39:55 PM »
In theory he could have an interesting defamation lawsuit against the NFL, Jaws and ESPN for the "12 out of 12 balls were under inflated" thing.

The TV show Mr. Robot put Tom Brady's picture up with the likes of OJ and a few other fucked up people as to show the world is crooked and full of killers and cheats...Giselle wants Tom Brady to be a politician in a few years. The Liberal media knows Brady wants to run someday as a Republican. Putting his image up with OJ is a way to chip away at a future Republican candidate...