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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1275 on: December 18, 2017, 02:40:12 PM »
Sold my Litecoin for a 3 and a half bagger and put the money into Ether.

Been researching and getting a feel for the general consensus for the past couple weeks and I think I can turn a potential 5 bagger out of it over the coming year.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1276 on: December 18, 2017, 03:22:07 PM »


40 % of Bitcoins are owned by people who basically got them for nothing so where has the actual cash for these margins come from?

The majority of the transactions and purchases also still occur on online exchanges.

The cash has come from people who want to buy bitcoins from existing owners. Just like cash went into gold from people who wanted to own gold. Nothing mysterious there.

Yes in terms of volume transactions are done on exchanges. (Though for larger amounts 100k USD above there is a huge amount being done p2p, for a range of reasons).

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« Reply #1277 on: December 18, 2017, 03:34:04 PM »
Which is a better buy, bitcoin or etherium (sp) ?

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1278 on: December 18, 2017, 04:35:59 PM »
Which is a better buy, bitcoin or etherium (sp) ?

In my view btc (for reasons given earlier). BTC is functioning more as a store of value. Eth in theory had a purpose of supporting smart blockchain technology.

Don’t be fooled by people who say eth is “cheaper” as it has a lower nominal price - that is a nonsense argument (also already explained).

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« Reply #1279 on: December 18, 2017, 04:38:34 PM »
So GIB do you really think bitcoin will make it to 100,000

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« Reply #1280 on: December 18, 2017, 04:50:34 PM »
So GIB do you really think bitcoin will make it to 100,000

It’s certainly possible. Many are forecasting 40k by end of 2018. Again its certainly possible. Main question to ask yourself is whether you think more money will be invested in btc in the coming months/years. The volume of that trend will give you the answer.

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« Reply #1281 on: December 18, 2017, 05:07:46 PM »


40 % of Bitcoins are owned by people who basically got them for nothing so where has the actual cash for these margins come from?

The majority of the transactions and purchases also still occur on online exchanges.

40%?  More like 80%.  Don’t forget that mining these slowed down dramatically years ago.

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« Reply #1282 on: December 18, 2017, 05:19:18 PM »
40%?  More like 80%.  Don’t forget that mining these slowed down dramatically years ago.

Not to mention that of 21m coins that will eventually be created, probably 6 million or so, whilst “existing” are essentially “lost”.

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« Reply #1283 on: December 18, 2017, 05:33:43 PM »
A few quick comments. China did not “halt bitcoins”. Nor did Korea. What they did was ban and/or regulate exchanges. The bitcoins themselves continue to exist. And peer to peer trading cannot be stopped in any case (theoretically legal yes a country could make ownership “illegal” (indeed the US tried this once with gold), but practically it’s close to impossible). Which is of course why no country has banned peer to peer trading and further why increasingly trading is becoming regulated (hence legitimized) - see earlier discussions.

As for what can be a currency, the answer is anything people collectively choose to be and agree on. Can be marbles in a school yard. Gold among pirates. Bone carvings or feathers among native tribes. Pokémon cards etc.

The fact that food is more widely accepted as a currency by no means negates the fact that non-food items can also function as currencies. Again yes I would rather eat a banana than a lump of gold. That does not mean gold cannot function as a store of value.

Yes bitcoin has been volatile. Not one person here would disagree with you on that. So are many other assets, some more than others. Overall to date, buy and hold has served bitcoin investors very very well.

I already replied to the comment on an asset’s market cap cf amount invested in it. See earlier post above. Nothing unique to btc. Any asset that has risen in value inherently has this phenomenon.

Thanks for a sensibly written response.

The hurdle for Bitcoin is there is not a single Govt or Bank that says Bitcoin is great and they want to adapt it's platform.  Rather, there is now 90 of the biggest global banks (up from 30) who announced they will adopt the Ethereum platform for bank to bank transfers (on a private network).  That one thing alone killed any chance bitcoin had of becoming the next big thing as a global currency.

What i think there is a lack of appreciation for, is the billions of dollars in IT projects required to create the Ethereum payment platform on a global scale. More money will be spent creating a system that actually works than what real money sits in bitcoin today....... and therein lies the question nobody is asking which is who will fund the billions to create a Bitcoin payment network on a global scale if the people with the ability to fund it are using something else?  


Your example on currency entirely supports my position that there is a lack of mass belief of Bitcoin. It promises a global system therefore it needs 7B people to believe in it. This isn't a schoolyard or pirates (ironic you mention thieves trading lol). Gold isn't even money despite the trillions invested in it. Don't think they didn't try a digital Gold system because it has already been done and pushed heavily yet died a quick death..... that was a digital currency backed by physical gold yet it wasn't widely accepted and died vs a crypto that is backed by nothing and has no purpose except for another average Joe to believe that it has a purpose...... playing with fire dude.


The dollars invested also expose the BS. It takes $15B invested to get to $40k using JPM data to model predictions. But they are telling you we need $400B..... because of the market cap being $400B...... why don't these billionaire's understand how market cap calculation works?  

The heaviest pusher who is a billionaire is creating a hedge fund for $500M using $150M of his own cash...... this guy made $250m on his big crypto trade. He puts 60% back in and removes the rest because he believes it's such a once in a lifetime opportunity LOL. Did you see what he did there?

Stop and think about what the tops dogs are doing vs what is being said because it isn't marrying up.


Having said that, i won't be surprised to see Bitcoin hit $100k. I won't be surprised to see Bitcoin hit $1k or less. If it can stabilise at $17k-$18k for a few months it will be ok to hit $40k mid 2018 but i would pull out then because there will be a 20% pullback from that spike as people invested now remove their gains.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1284 on: December 18, 2017, 05:39:43 PM »
So GIB do you really think bitcoin will make it to 100,000

Some are saying it will reach 300-400K.
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« Reply #1285 on: December 18, 2017, 09:53:43 PM »
As I predicted would start to happen (see earlier posts ...)

www.coindesk.com/hedge-fund-pro-bill-miller-just-about-50-percent-invested-in-bitcoin/

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« Reply #1286 on: December 18, 2017, 10:04:04 PM »
Some are saying it will reach 300-400K.

 :o

I don't think it will happen but you never know. I'm still kicking myself for not listening to Goodrum all those years ago.  :(

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1287 on: December 18, 2017, 11:01:35 PM »

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1288 on: December 19, 2017, 02:04:35 AM »
Get out *right* now.



You've been warned by Costanza.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1289 on: December 19, 2017, 02:39:24 PM »
Get out *right* now.



You've been warned by Costanza.

Why, is something about to happen?   ???

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1290 on: December 19, 2017, 03:11:16 PM »
Why, is something about to happen?   ???

i was mining bitcoins and yada yada yada i got out

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« Reply #1291 on: December 19, 2017, 03:11:25 PM »
As I predicted would start to happen (see earlier posts ...)

www.coindesk.com/hedge-fund-pro-bill-miller-just-about-50-percent-invested-in-bitcoin/

So his fund is valued at $154M of which he claims it consists of 50% bitcoin.

That is $77M value of bitcoin.

$18.5k/coin means he owns 4,162 coins.

He purchased at $350 therefore he paid $1.4M for his coins which are now valued at $77M at spot value......

Soooo the hedge fund has $2.1B in assets but invests a mere $1.4M into what is apparently the biggest thing since sliced bread..... they would spend more on stationary each year......


Are you beginning to understand what i am trying to tell you?

The people with all the world's money have fuck all in the system AND they are not buying. They are encouraging everybody else to buy in so they can GTFO........

Mike Novogratz invests 500k into Eth, makes $250M and sells out. He believes in crpyto so much he decides to REDUCE his investment by 40% and purchases $150M meanwhile asking others to chip in $350M to start a hedge fund with $500M. The guy is taking the piss.

It's smoke and mirrors right now.

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« Reply #1292 on: December 19, 2017, 03:19:39 PM »
So his fund is valued at $154M of which he claims it consists of 50% bitcoin.

That is $77M value of bitcoin.

$18.5k/coin means he owns 4,162 coins.

He purchased at $350 therefore he paid $1.4M for his coins which are now valued at $77M at spot value......

Soooo the hedge fund has $2.1B in assets but invests a mere $1.4M into what is apparently the biggest thing since sliced bread..... they would spend more on stationary each year......


Are you beginning to understand what i am trying to tell you?

The people with all the world's money have fuck all in the system AND they are not buying. They are encouraging everybody else to buy in so they can GTFO........

Mike Novogratz invests 500k into Eth, makes $250M and sells out. He believes in crpyto so much he decides to REDUCE his investment by 40% and purchases $150M meanwhile asking others to chip in $350M to start a hedge fund with $500M. The guy is taking the piss.

It's smoke and mirrors right now.
You're probably right about this.  The massively wealthy are always a step ahead of everyone else.  Even with that being said though, I stilk think you can make some good money with crypto currency.  The key will be getting out at the right time.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1293 on: December 19, 2017, 03:29:01 PM »
So his fund is valued at $154M of which he claims it consists of 50% bitcoin.

That is $77M value of bitcoin.

$18.5k/coin means he owns 4,162 coins.

He purchased at $350 therefore he paid $1.4M for his coins which are now valued at $77M at spot value......

Soooo the hedge fund has $2.1B in assets but invests a mere $1.4M into what is apparently the biggest thing since sliced bread..... they would spend more on stationary each year......


Are you beginning to understand what i am trying to tell you?

The people with all the world's money have fuck all in the system AND they are not buying. They are encouraging everybody else to buy in so they can GTFO........

Mike Novogratz invests 500k into Eth, makes $250M and sells out. He believes in crpyto so much he decides to REDUCE his investment by 40% and purchases $150M meanwhile asking others to chip in $350M to start a hedge fund with $500M. The guy is taking the piss.

It's smoke and mirrors right now.

Pretty much spot on.  All the big spec money has stopped coming in.  I said a few pages ago that the huge % gains and easy money has been made already.  You will see many cryptos (especially bitcoin) get whittled down more and more as the weeks go by.

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« Reply #1294 on: December 19, 2017, 03:33:18 PM »
So GIB do you really think bitcoin will make it to 100,000

If you read the previous posts Gib was predicting $1 million per bitcoin.  

So giddy, so euphoric, so childish, so delusional.  Pure fantasy.

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« Reply #1295 on: December 19, 2017, 03:35:58 PM »
im investing as much as that dude

only my hedgefun is worth a little less, so it will be about a 5 dollars

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« Reply #1296 on: December 19, 2017, 04:17:38 PM »
If you read the previous posts Gib was predicting $1 million per bitcoin.  

So giddy, so euphoric, so childish, so delusional.  Pure fantasy.

I swear I'm gonna create a thread with the most delusional posts about bitcoin after all of this is over.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1297 on: December 19, 2017, 04:20:20 PM »
its never over

bitcoin is the future just HODL!!

10 years from now it will be worth 1 million !

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« Reply #1298 on: December 19, 2017, 04:27:29 PM »
I swear I'm gonna create a thread with the most delusional posts about bitcoin after all of this is over.

Will be amusing to go back and read all of it.  

Bubbles and human behavior are NEVER different, it's just the stories that are different.  Bubbles may go on for a while longer than people expect, but you always have the die-hard believers who think: "It's different this time!".    Guess what... it's NEVER different this time.  The Titanic was supposed to be "unsinkable"... how did that work out?

IMO, bitcoin is headed into the "denial" phase.


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« Reply #1299 on: December 19, 2017, 04:56:46 PM »
Not to mention that of 21m coins that will eventually be created, probably 6 million or so, whilst “existing” are essentially “lost”.

The Winkelvoss twins own about a million coins.  So do a few other early adopters. About 3-4 people own about 25% or maybe more.   Eventually they’ll cash out and walk away.