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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1475 on: December 23, 2017, 09:36:13 AM »
Gib, I congratulate you on your bitcoin gains, but I do have to say that I find it difficult to see bitcoin as a value investment.

How do you value a fair value of a bitcoin?

I heard that if rich people, defined by some criteria, bought bitcoin with 1% of their wealth, then bitcoin would cost 60.000 dollars. However, I think it is a vague definition of a fair value of bitcoin.
Bitcoin, like a lot of things, is only worth what people will pay for it. Anyone that says bitcoin isn’t a good investment, as a small part of an portfolio, is stupid or has ulterior motives. The idea is knowing when to get in and when to get out. But that is the same for any high risk investment.
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1476 on: December 23, 2017, 09:51:23 AM »
Bitcoin, like a lot of things, is only worth what people will pay for it. Anyone that says bitcoin isn’t a good investment, as a small part of an portfolio, is stupid or has ulterior motives. The idea is knowing when to get in and when to get out. But that is the same for any high risk investment.
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« Reply #1477 on: December 23, 2017, 11:29:13 AM »
This kind of shit happens literally 1-2 times per decade, basically a bunch of people who have no business "investing" in supposedly awesome stocks because they got some "tip", they get in, they buy, they sell. They make some money, get a big head and believe they are "smart" then they buy in a little more, rest and repeat until most are in over their heads because they start not only putting in thier money they can foord to risk, but money they have been saving forever.
Then it all comes crashing down and most people get fucked.

perfect example here on a bigger level is in the movie casino where the Japanese high roller cleans them out, then even takes the fucking towel. The casino then fakes the plane having mechanical trouble, brings him back, comps  him a whole floor of the hotel, and he sits at the table and makes "tiny" bets, but can't help himself because he won a bunch of money already so he thinks he is smarter than the house, so he starts betting not only the money he cleaned them out but his own again....result, they get all their money back plus a couple of million of his own.

another good example for getbig billionaires even though it is a movie, it is a real life tactic.

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« Reply #1478 on: December 23, 2017, 11:34:35 AM »
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« Reply #1480 on: December 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM »
having your money locked from you when prices drop because it's good for the exchanges . . . this should send alarm bells ringing . . .

It's good overall because it prevents the avalanche of put orders dumping at the blink of an eye. It calms the market and gives it a couple of days to regain it's composure.

It's good for the exchanges.

It's good for the people playing in the sandpit.

The speed of our general life is not able to cope with the speed of which trading is done. So they slow it down to give people a second to think.


BTC is stabilising (for now) so by freezing some BTC on exchanges it has served the correct purpose. People jumped out, it slowed that down, gave people time to think, people then saw it as an opportunity to buy and those buyers are up 30%+.

If we can try and be a little more subjective and remove our own bias, you can see it worked in this instance.  The question now is where to from here.....

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« Reply #1481 on: December 23, 2017, 12:35:03 PM »
well not selling, not ever is the key

if you dont sell you dont lose

so anyone who got millions they dont know what to do with it, just keep on buying bitcoins etc

then you also get a new hobby, spend all your days watching it go up and down and talk about it on the internet

and when you eventually die, you can transfer it to your kids and grandkids so they to get something to do


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« Reply #1482 on: December 24, 2017, 01:07:01 AM »
Hey gib, is now a good moment to buy? Or it was better at 18000?

Any time is a good time to buy compared to where prices may be in a few years. 3 or 4 K will be meaningless if prices are 100k plus. I think if you have no holding yet just buy now and hold.

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« Reply #1483 on: December 24, 2017, 01:18:13 AM »
Gib, I congratulate you on your bitcoin gains, but I do have to say that I find it difficult to see bitcoin as a value investment.

How do you value a fair value of a bitcoin?

I heard that if rich people, defined by some criteria, bought bitcoin with 1% of their wealth, then bitcoin would cost 60.000 dollars. However, I think it is a vague definition of a fair value of bitcoin.

Thank you! Yes the gains have been nice :)

I agree with you BTC cannot be valued (please take the time to read my earlier posts as I discuss this extensively. The best approach is to ask yourself “will more money flow into BTC in the future”?  I believe the answer is YES. 2018 will see the listing of numerous bitcoin ETFs. I expect we will see huge amounts of institutional money moving in.

And yes, all of the world’s wealthiest will want a little exposure. 21 million coins globally to compete with demand from 7 billion + people ...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1484 on: December 24, 2017, 05:48:32 AM »
Has bitcoin reached 5k yet?
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« Reply #1485 on: December 24, 2017, 06:27:41 AM »
drop dead, gib

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« Reply #1486 on: December 24, 2017, 08:11:37 AM »
Guys, you're being a little rough on gibs. I don't know him from a hole in the ground but... he's been calling this play for a while now. Give props to those who deserve it.

IMHO what you are failing to see is the underlying fundamental change that is behind BTC, the often-abused "blockchain". What this new protocol is going to introduce is basically a death sentence to the current banking system, not complete death, but the role of banks, in 10-20 years, will be relegated to what are now check-cashing places. And this includes the role of the Federal Reserve. Let's be clear about something: Banks would not exist were it not for individual citizens to hold surplus assets and the government in place allow these entities to create money from thin air 7x fold (again, without the corresponding assets to back it up). This inflationary system is at the heart of all the bubbles, all the economic slumps and many other economic/political/social maladies that will be greatly alleviated once people start adopting cryptocurrencies for all their exchanges and, in doing so, bypassing all these intermediaries that add NO VALUE to the chain whatsoever and distort the system.  

Securities will be traded instantaneously (no more two-day trade settlement bullshit,) securities will finally move to virtual existence (no more certificate bullshit,) travelling overseas will involve using cryptocurrencies, we'll be able to get loans (mortgage, car, et cetera) at much cheaper rates from individuals all over the world without the exorbitant fees, send wire payments over the internet in micro-seconds for pennies on the dollar, be able to vote over the internet, et cetera. All governed by a system of earned trust and backed by blockchain. Politicians, bankers and corruption will quickly be weeded out in a trust-based system. You fuck up, you're out. You will be forced to 1. Tell the truth and 2. Trust your fellow gringos.

I can't stress how FUNDAMENTAL of a change is staring us in the face. This is not a proxy company looking for funds to grease their scaling issues because their customers like surfing porn too much.

And finally, this change in how information and products are exchanged without a middleman will 1) minimize the role and size of the government and 2) politicians will get progressively younger and younger (because it will be in their interest to safeguard the current and future well being of their society and economy).

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« Reply #1487 on: December 24, 2017, 08:17:18 AM »
Don't let the current institutional greed wave keep you from buying or holding any cryptocurrency you so may choose. Prices WILL go back up again.

I'll post something I'm not even supposed to post because I may be fired if ever exposed but... fuck it: the company I work for, one of the largest financial services firms in the US, is currently developing the capability to store and trade cryptos.

Do you think for a second they would waste their time on hot air being blown up people's asses?

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« Reply #1488 on: December 24, 2017, 01:03:40 PM »
Don't let the current institutional greed wave keep you from buying or holding any cryptocurrency you so may choose. Prices WILL go back up again.

I'll post something I'm not even supposed to post because I may be fired if ever exposed but... fuck it: the company I work for, one of the largest financial services firms in the US, is currently developing the capability to store and trade cryptos.

Do you think for a second they would waste their time on hot air being blown up people's asses?

I've been doing mostly lurking on this thread but I really find alot of value in your posts and Mayday's stuff here recently(among other posters of course)

I sold off that Litecoin at a 350% profit and bought into Ether. After reading on here and researching the technology online I feel comfortable holding pat with what I have for the foreseeable future.

It's a fun little deal more than anything but I certainly see the upside.

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« Reply #1489 on: December 24, 2017, 06:35:21 PM »
Has bitcoin reached 5k yet?

Not sure. But even if it did that would put me up over 500% over the last year (not including the additional value of the bitcoin cash). Looks like we will be well over the 10K mark year end, so that’s a 1000% annual gain (and even at that level that around half of the highest prices have been).

In 2018 we will see not just the legitimisation of bitcoin due to daily mentions of bitcoin in the media, but also due to futures trading.

Further we will increasingly see btc price quoted in financial media along gold and oil and other commodities.

But perhaps most significantly we will see the listing of bitcoin ETFs on a number of major global exchanges. And this will be a game changer for ease of money to flow into this asset. No more fiddling around with money transfers and obscure exchanges and technical issues like how to store in cold storage. Basically this will give high net worth individuals, funds, and mum and pop investors the ability to very easily put money into this asset class. If all this happens, given the mathematical limitation of bitcoin we could see unbelievable price gains that will make the last few weeks movements an almost irrelevant blip on a longer term scale.

Only time will tell of this happens. Let’s see ...

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« Reply #1490 on: December 24, 2017, 07:02:29 PM »
Gib did what I couldn’t. He held on until now. I would have bought at $100 and probably sold at $1000. Especially when it went crazy up and down for a bit around then.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1491 on: December 25, 2017, 09:51:26 PM »
Tip, go buy some New York Coin.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1492 on: December 26, 2017, 12:52:20 AM »
Tip, go buy some New York Coin.

Tip from who and who is interested in using it?

Thousands of crypto come out each year. People get it wrong thousands of times so the odds someone is right on a startup are slim unless they actually know about something we don't.

How much do we put in? $100? $1k?


I am open to what you say btw as you aren't a nut on here so let me know what the tip actually is.  $26.5k of volume is fucked btw so no other exchange will grab it unless there is promise.

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« Reply #1493 on: December 26, 2017, 02:03:07 AM »
Tip from who and who is interested in using it?

Thousands of crypto come out each year. People get it wrong thousands of times so the odds someone is right on a startup are slim unless they actually know about something we don't.

How much do we put in? $100? $1k?


I am open to what you say btw as you aren't a nut on here so let me know what the tip actually is.  $26.5k of volume is fucked btw so no other exchange will grab it unless there is promise.


I tripled my investment since 3 days ago. Take a look at it. It took a big jump yesterday and leveled out and climbing steadily. I did know something was coming and I got in on the 22nd. Still time though to make money in the long haul.

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« Reply #1494 on: December 26, 2017, 03:01:52 AM »
I've been doing mostly lurking on this thread but I really find alot of value in your posts and Mayday's stuff here recently(among other posters of course)

In general, humans want to believe. It's the whole 'but what if?''.

Then lets look at the timeline. The longer the timeline the greater the chance you will be correct. As it gets closer it gets harder to predict.

We will land on Mars in the next 200yrs..... very high chance to be correct.
We will land on Mars in the next 50yrs....high chance to be correct.
We will land on Mars in the next 5yrs....Mmmmm slim chance to be correct.
We will land on Mars in the next 5 months....Jeff at the bar said his mate reckons it will happen.
We will land on Mars at 12:36pm in 2 days time.......

Will we have a crypto currency? Yes, i am certain in the next 10,000yrs. It's all pretty fucking meaningless unless you guess the timeline correctly.


FWIW i am just in it to make money. I have picked an energy crypto being the largest winner for me. Whilst people are debating global currencies i already know that energy cryptos will become a massive market.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1495 on: December 26, 2017, 03:25:05 AM »
I tripled my investment since 3 days ago. Take a look at it. It took a big jump yesterday and leveled out and climbing steadily. I did know something was coming and I got in on the 22nd. Still time though to make money in the long haul.

For 3yrs they had a 24hr volume of around $200.
During Oct/ Nov it was used as a pump and dump of double the price.
December also a pump and dump but at Christmas someone jumped in with around $10k at best and it's tripled. It's the first upswing since the last dump on Christmas eve.
To break trend it needs to not dump on the 28th December.

I'm not being rude or a dick here so i won't say more than my take on the data above, i looked at the chart you posted but the longer timeline.  Maybe i'm not seeing the right coin? This is the Yobit one yeah?

What is the 'something was coming' that a person told you?

Generally for a crypto to become something awesome, you would see the initial ICO price, uptick, flat, uptick, flat, large uptick with pullback, flat then fluctuation if it's fairly mature. This hasn't happened in the 4yr lifespan with NYC.

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« Reply #1496 on: December 26, 2017, 10:50:15 AM »
In general, humans want to believe. It's the whole 'but what if?''.

Then lets look at the timeline. The longer the timeline the greater the chance you will be correct. As it gets closer it gets harder to predict.

We will land on Mars in the next 200yrs..... very high chance to be correct.
We will land on Mars in the next 50yrs....high chance to be correct.
We will land on Mars in the next 5yrs....Mmmmm slim chance to be correct.
We will land on Mars in the next 5 months....Jeff at the bar said his mate reckons it will happen.
We will land on Mars at 12:36pm in 2 days time.......

Will we have a crypto currency? Yes, i am certain in the next 10,000yrs. It's all pretty fucking meaningless unless you guess the timeline correctly.


FWIW i am just in it to make money. I have picked an energy crypto being the largest winner for me. Whilst people are debating global currencies i already know that energy cryptos will become a massive market.
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1497 on: December 28, 2017, 05:28:57 AM »

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1498 on: December 28, 2017, 05:42:48 AM »


he was almost a paper millionaire. . !!

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« Reply #1499 on: December 28, 2017, 07:20:31 AM »
I tripled my investment since 3 days ago. Take a look at it. It took a big jump yesterday and leveled out and climbing steadily. I did know something was coming and I got in on the 22nd. Still time though to make money in the long haul.

Where can I pay with my cryptocurrency?