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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9625 on: June 29, 2023, 11:13:19 PM »
When is the "flippening" happening?

Never.

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« Reply #9626 on: June 30, 2023, 03:24:42 AM »
[quote author=obsidian link=topic=574601.msg1Bitcoin was brought to a halt recently with the NFT craze. It is entirely unsuitable for that feature.

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This is like saying toilet paper has more utility than a car. They are 2 very different things. In terms of being the new universal censorable and unconfiscatable decentralized digital world currency and global store of value, nothing other than BTC comes close to offering such utility. Not Eth, nor any other alt or shitcoin.
False analogy. Toilet paper and cars are completely different technologies. Bitcoin and Ethereum are both blockchains.

I would use this analogy:

Bitcoin = An expensive 2-seater classic sportscar that's loud, slow, and can carry few passengers.
Ethereum = Less expensive 5-seater Tesla that's quiet, fast, and can carry many passengers.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9627 on: June 30, 2023, 03:52:29 AM »
When is the "flippening" happening?
Who knows. The Ethereum + Ethereum token market cap is approaching the market cap of Bitcoin.

BTC: 592 billion

ETH: 230.5 billion

Ethereun Tokens Market Cap: 240.64 billion

https://cryptoslate.com/blockchain/ethereum/

Some notable ETH tokens:

USDT: 83.5 billion
USDC: 27.95 billion
WBTC: 4.6 billion
DAI: 4.6 billion
MATIC: 6.14 billion
SHIB: 4.5 billion

ETH should really be trading at 1/6th the value of BTC because of the total supply. BTC @ $31K means ETH should be around $5k. Disregarding the other positive attributes such as lower current inflation and staking yields. It is currently underpriced relative to Bitcoin.

Michael Saylor reckons BTC dominance will go up to 80%. He lives in a fantasy and he is not looking too healthy lately in some of his interviews. He appears desperate and might be resorting to alcohol.

There are over 7 billion people on the planet. If the total ETH supply was distributed evenly to 1 billion people each person would only receive 0.122 ETH. Obviously, they would receive less BTC - around 0.02 BTC. But the point is even the Ethereum supply is small compared to the number of people on the planet. The world is big enough and there are enough use cases to justify numerous blockhains. Bitcoin is entirely unsuited to function as the one and only blockchain. It would completely choke and grind to a halt.

I also see a structural problem with the current Bitcoin model. As miner yields decrease the network will increasingly have to rely on fees to keep it secure. The fees would have to increase dramatically to keep "miners" incentivized. Therefore Bitcoin will become too expensive to transact with for most people. The lighting network has been touted as the solution. The only issue with that is it is centralized. You would not want to send a huge amount of BTC over the lighting network. And I have heard that it is clunky and overly-complex.

https://coingeek.com/btc-lightning-network-it-still-doesnt-work-but-does-anyone-notice/
https://unboundedcapital.com/blog/why-lightning-doesnt-work



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« Reply #9628 on: June 30, 2023, 03:57:27 AM »
https://decrypt.co/146661/forgone-conclusion-ethererum-is-a-commodity-joe-lubin

It’s A 'Forgone Conclusion' That Ethereum Is A Commodity, Says Joe Lubin
The ConsenSys Founder says Gary Gensler may not be able to admit it, but that his hesitancy doesn’t matter.

Though the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is waging legal war across the crypto space, Ethereum co-founder Joseph Lubin isn’t breaking a sweat.

When asked about regulators potentially treating Ether (ETH) like a security, the Consensys CEO explained during a Tuesday interview with CNBC that the regulatory verdict on Ethereum is already in.

“The SEC has spoken,” he said, referring to former SEC commissioner Bill Hinman’s 2018 speech on crypto securities and Ethereum.

New documents have revealed that Hinman received multiple warnings from colleagues that the speech could confuse markets into thinking that the SEC had already deemed the asset a non-security.

A security is a financial instrument often (but not always) associated with some kind of investment contract. A commodity, by contrast, is a basic or natural good, like gold, wheat, or cattle.

“The CFTC has spoken very crisply a number of times that they consider Ether like a commodity,” added Lubin.

While Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) Chairman Rostin Benham agrees that many cryptocurrencies are securities, he also thinks the three top assets—including Bitcoin (BTC), Ethereum, and Tether (USDT)—belong under his agency’s jurisdiction as commodities.

SEC Chairman Gary Gensler, by contrast, has only publicly deemed Bitcoin as such.

On the topic of Ether, Gensler has kept a tight lip. Some videos from his time as an MIT professor suggest he once thought it was a security, while others indicate he believed it had graduated from a security into a commodity by 2018.

Members of Congress are drafting legislation to clear up this issue, including Cynthia Lummis and Kirsten Gillibrand, and have voiced agreement with the CFTC that Ether is a commodity alongside Bitcoin.

“It’s really a forgone conclusion at this point,” said Lubin. “There may be a regulator or two in the United States that can’t bring himself to utter the fact that Ether is not a security, but I don’t know why that’s the case.”

The SEC sued Binance and Coinbase earlier this month alleging that over a dozen assets listed on their platform were securities, including Paxos-issued stablecoin BUSD.

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« Reply #9629 on: June 30, 2023, 04:03:16 AM »
This guy makes interesting observations. I might have to get some Solana.


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« Reply #9630 on: June 30, 2023, 04:04:37 AM »

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« Reply #9631 on: June 30, 2023, 04:14:07 AM »


 

Michael Saylor reckons BTC dominance will go up to 80%. He lives in a fantasy and he is not looking too healthy lately in some of his interviews. He appears desperate and might be resorting to alcohol.


https://coingeek.com/btc-lightning-network-it-still-doesnt-work-but-does-anyone-notice/
https://unboundedcapital.com/blog/why-lightning-doesnt-work

The more healthy sober people are saying Eth will flip Btc, right?

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« Reply #9632 on: June 30, 2023, 04:17:36 AM »
This guy makes interesting observations. I might have to get some Solana.



That guy is a fraud and shitcoin extrodanire. Imagine paying someone to absolutely get wrecked. Bought solana all the way up to 200$ and then he had to sell at 14$. That network has shut down what 14 times now? What a joke.

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« Reply #9633 on: June 30, 2023, 04:53:54 AM »
That guy is a fraud and shitcoin extrodanire. Imagine paying someone to absolutely get wrecked. Bought solana all the way up to 200$ and then he had to sell at 14$. That network has shut down what 14 times now? What a joke.
In 2011 Bitcoin crashed from $32 to 1 cent! Solana is a relatively new blockchain and volatility is to be expected. I never owned Solana. But it survived the FTX collapse and all the outages. I agree those are a negative and the shitcoin extraordinaire acknowledges those issues. Thanks though for pointing out that the guy is a scam artist. I wonder if he ever settled with the plaintiff. You'd think that Youtube would ban the guy?!

Just thinking perhaps it has crashed to the bottom and could go up again. You have to weigh the pros and the cons. It could very well go lower if it is delisted on more platforms.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/a-brief-history-of-bitcoin-crashes-and-bear-markets-2009-2022

Bear market No. 1: Bitcoin crash from $32 to $0.01 in 2011
Time to retest previous high: 20 months (June 2011–February 2013)

The Bitcoin price broke its first major psychological mark of $1 back in late April 2011 to start its first-ever rally to hit $32 on June 8, 2011. But, the joy didn’t last long, as Bitcoin subsequently plummeted in value to bottom at just $0.01 over the course of a few days.

The sharp sell-off was largely attributed to security issues at the now-defunct Mt. Gox, a Japanese crypto exchange that traded the majority of Bitcoin at the time. The exchange saw 850,000 BTC stolen due to a security breach on its platform, raising major concerns about the security of Bitcoin stored on exchanges.

With BTC losing about 99% of its value in a few days, Bitcoin’s June 2011 flash crash became a big part of Bitcoin history. The event opened a long period before the BTC price recovered to the previous high of $32 and climbed to new highs only in February 2013.

Haha nice #bitcoin crash to 0.01 USD/BTC. http://t.co/jNx8rAr

— Who Knows? ₿⚡️ (@who_knows) June 19, 2011

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9634 on: June 30, 2023, 05:51:59 AM »
obsidian = good intentions, no brains....

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« Reply #9635 on: June 30, 2023, 07:22:46 PM »
obsidian = good intentions, no brains....
Lmao! Ok! Care to explain how you came to that conclusion?

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« Reply #9636 on: June 30, 2023, 08:29:11 PM »
This guy makes interesting observations. I might have to waste my money on shitcoin.



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« Reply #9637 on: July 01, 2023, 06:35:57 AM »

Here's a secret for you. You might be able to make more money with a shitcoin than more established assets like Bitcoin and Ethereum. Back in 2021 there was an individual that turned an $8,000 Shiba Inu purchase into $5.7 billion! That's more than Saylor's current Bitcoin holdings! Of course, that value is down now. So are Saylor's holdings.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-investor-turned-8000-into-5-billion-buying-shiba-inu-2021-10

There's no way you could ever do that with the top crypto chains. You need to get in on the ground floor.

Solana has lost a lot of value, due to FTX and now the SEC deeming it a security. And yet it is still around, like XRP. It does have some positive attributes going for it, speed for example. And a thriving developer and staking community. And negatives such as outages. You have to weigh the pros and cons. I have not acquired any Solana and will keep an eye on it.

Perhaps it will lose more value. It has certainly not collapsed as much as Bitcoin did in 2011.

Bitcoin was deemed a shitcoin in its early days. It fell from $32 to 1 cent in 2011. That's a staggering loss of value.

Peter Schiff and others still think Bitcoin is a shitcoin.

So you might want to get off your maxi-pad Bitcoin pedestal dum dum! The crypto community is stronger if we all stand together. Right now the heat is on POS staking coins via the SEC. Next time it will be Bitcoin with the ESG and environment BS. Michael Saylor is an idiot for shitting on other projects. The divide-and-conquer strategy is not the best approach. The world is big enough for many crypto projects to thrive. Saylor is a low class, greedy piece of shit for only wanting his bags to pump.

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« Reply #9638 on: July 01, 2023, 06:59:55 AM »
Here's a secret for you. You might be able to make more money with a shitcoin than more established assets like Bitcoin and Ethereum. Back in 2021 there was an individual that turned an $8,000 Shiba Inu purchase into $5.7 billion! That's more than Saylor's current Bitcoin holdings! Of course, that value is down now. So are Saylor's holdings.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-investor-turned-8000-into-5-billion-buying-shiba-inu-2021-10

There's no way you could ever do that with the top crypto chains. You need to get in on the ground floor.

Solana has lost a lot of value, due to FTX and now the SEC deeming it a security. And yet it is still around, like XRP. It does have some positive attributes going for it, speed for example. And a thriving developer and staking community. And negatives such as outages. You have to weigh the pros and cons. I have not acquired any Solana and will keep an eye on it.

Perhaps it will lose more value. It has certainly not collapsed as much as Bitcoin did in 2011.

Bitcoin was deemed a shitcoin in its early days. It fell from $32 to 1 cent in 2011. That's a staggering loss of value.

Peter Schiff and others still think Bitcoin is a shitcoin.

So you might want to get off your maxi-pad Bitcoin pedestal dum dum! The crypto community is stronger if we all stand together. Right now the heat is on POS staking coins via the SEC. Next time it will be Bitcoin with the ESG and environment BS. Michael Saylor is an idiot for shitting on other projects. The divide-and-conquer strategy is not the best approach. The world is big enough for many crypto projects to thrive. Saylor is a low class, greedy piece of shit for only wanting his bags to pump.

Ethereum = shit coin

Peter Schiff and others still think Bitcoin is a shitcoin.   ,        peter schiff and "others" are gas lighting you CNN/jim cramer style

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« Reply #9639 on: July 01, 2023, 10:25:35 AM »
Blackrock does have a good track record though regarding their ETF applications - 575:1

https://cryptopotato.com/blackrocks-etf-success-rate-with-the-sec-is-575-to-1-what-about-its-bitcoin-application/#:~:text=BlackRock's%20ETF%20Success%20Rate%20With,What%20About%20its%20Bitcoin%20Application%3F

It's not that I don't think spot ETFs won't be approved eventually. More that the path towards it will be rocky. Loads of delays and BS hypocrisy as we're already seeing.

I think the sketchy players like CZ, Justin Sun, maybe even Silbert need to be brought to their knees before the spot ETFs are approved. Those guys have too much control over the markets and it's likely spot ETFs will eventually make them the richest men on the planet. I can't see them being allowed to be a part of "Wall St Crypto" so no spot ETFs until they are gone. You can add the Tether mob to this too.


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« Reply #9640 on: July 01, 2023, 12:18:54 PM »
Ethereum = shit coin

Peter Schiff and others still think Bitcoin is a shitcoin.   ,        peter schiff and "others" are gas lighting you CNN/jim cramer style
I am not getting gaslit dummy. I don't think Bitcoin is a shitcoin. I don't think any top 20 coin is. I am just pointing out that Peter Schiff is using the same derogatory label you're using - but for your precious Bitcoin. That point went way over your head I guess.

Get off your high horse and stop labeling these other projects as shitcoins. They have multi-billion dollar market caps. The people developing them are a lot smarter than you. Have you developed anything with a billion-dollar market cap?!

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« Reply #9641 on: July 01, 2023, 12:20:09 PM »
It's not that I don't think spot ETFs won't be approved eventually. More that the path towards it will be rocky. Loads of delays and BS hypocrisy as we're already seeing.

I think the sketchy players like CZ, Justin Sun, maybe even Silbert need to be brought to their knees before the spot ETFs are approved. Those guys have too much control over the markets and it's likely spot ETFs will eventually make them the richest men on the planet. I can't see them being allowed to be a part of "Wall St Crypto" so no spot ETFs until they are gone. You can add the Tether mob to this too.
Why is CZ sketchy? Justin Sun I'll agree. But CZ?

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« Reply #9642 on: July 01, 2023, 01:28:48 PM »
Why is CZ sketchy? Justin Sun I'll agree. But CZ?

Binance was just a better managed version of FTX, but it's the same playbook. Don't forget CZ owned 20% of FTX and basically taught Sam how it was done. Same possibly with crypto.com

Binance might be more legit now, but it wasn't in the early days. There is still a mile long list of sketchy stuff that wouldn't pass in a regulated industry that happens over there.

The most recent is the stuff that's gone on with TrueUSD. The custodians of TrueUSD are bankrupt yet Binance continues to use it and now promotes it to their customers. Why? Because BUSD was banned and TrueUSD allows them to continue their "games". They don't seem to care that their customers are holding assets backed by nothing.

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« Reply #9643 on: July 02, 2023, 05:55:26 AM »
Apart from mixing funds, Binance actively engaged in shitcoinery, not just issuing their own illegal and unregistered security (the BNB token), but also facilitating the sale of numerous other shitcoins as their core business model. Add that to a list of other illegal and criminal activities (money laundering, tax avoidance, etc) it engaged in and it is obvious as to why they are walking on very very thin ice right now and being slowly shut out of and prosecuted in various countries.

Obsidian, I think you know why almost everything but BTC is a shit coin. You are smart enough and often engage in a mixture of either trolling, or argument testing (whereby you deliberately state the other side of a concept you have yourself been contemplating or struggling with, and then reading and considering the responses you receive to help you form your ultimate view). This is a trait numerous intelligent people adopt from time to time as part of their learning process. (It may annoy some people, but in my view it makes for a good discussion). Mr Anabolic actually truely believed his bullshit, but I am certain you do not truly believe all of yours.

There is and will only ever be one immaculate conception of the creation of a global digital decentralized censorable store of money. And that is Bitcoin. Bitcoin is unique in that it is a commodity, because it was simply source code, open to the public to use and mine from the very first block. People without a good knowledge of securities laws may not grasp this concept well. Indeed this is clear from the numerous posts from people I see of people who don't understand the actions of Gensler and the SEC.

After the creation of Bitcoin, the shit-coinery started. We saw people try to fork Bitcoin (arguably still Bitcoin as any fork still comes from the same root and any BTC holder owns all fork coins (unless they sold them). Then we saw a bunch of Bitcoin copies such as "Doge coin". And then we saw copies of such copies such as "Shiba Inu". And then we saw more and more shit affinity scam coins, each touting some advantage to Bitcoin - this one is better for marijuana sellers, this one is better for online porn, this one better for the environment, this one is faster, this one is more secure, this one will be used by banks, blah blah blah, etc. Then we saw various idiot logic coins (this one you get 1000000 coins the the price of one BTC, so its "better value"). And we saw a host of "project coins" and "utility coins" (eg Cardano, XRP, Solana, Eth etc) which are all very obviously illegal and unregistered securities in clear breach of SEC and many other global stock exchange and company rule regulations. And further, most of those shitcoins with "projects" and "whitepapers" were themselves are absolute shit scams with no genuine intent to fulfill any such cited purposes, and then even for those with actual legitimate "projects" the value of the coins have almost no real correlation to the actual value of the project itself (as opposed to if the project was trading and disclosing financial filings as they would need to if they traded as the stock of a regulated security.)

And of course, in almost all of the above examples of shit coins, we saw, unlike BTC, that various "founders" immediately raised cash which they received in return for their "projects" (unlike Bitcoin, where no founder received any money or pre-mined coins, and had to work equally as any other person to mine a coin from day #1). And that of course includes each beneficiary of the so called "Ethereum foundation". Again, many people just don't understand this distinction, but those who are in fields of finance or law clearly do. Which is of course why the massive players and powers that be in finance are all poised to support BTC (which will lead to massive inflow of adoption and of course value in the years ahead).

That is the distinction between Bitcoin, and the vast majority of shitcoin "crypto".

That does not mean people cannot make money dealing in shit and reselling scams. I could create a fake diamond, and then sell it to someone else with some BS story about how its "better than a real diamond". The fact that I could make huge money from such scamery in excess of the money I could make from the increase in value of a genuine diamond over a short period of time, does not mean that the fake diamond is a better investment than the real diamond.

As for the story of the the guy who made a billion form 8K in shit coins (sorry Shib coins), it is not true, and I think you know that. The problem is of course liquidity. I could invent 1 million coins, and then sell one to you $100 giving me a total market cap and immediate wealth of $100,000,000 (minus $100 being the coin you have). However, that does not mean I could ever liquidate the coins I have, and so the wealth I have is in practice unrealizable.

I know personally, numerous people very close to the inner circle of shotcoinery. They have made hundreds of millions in the shitcoin ecosystem. I've been to the mansions, seen the cars, yachts etc. Even been offered the opportunity of participating. And of course had to consider it and also whether I could and would do the same. I concluded its not for me. Its nasty stuff, and ultimately I could not live with myself for pulling such scams (both with the bad karma and heavy conscience that comes from pulling such scams on innocent and niave victims, but also the constant fear of the legal risk that comes with the territory if you engage in shitcoinery). So I instead put my effort into educating and warning others, and will over time receive my positive karma through the ongoing global adoption of Bitcoin over time. I urge you and all others here to do the same.




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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9644 on: July 02, 2023, 07:42:05 AM »
My post did appear rude now I look at it. not supposed to be so my bad there.

I don’t trade because I’m no good at short term.

Shitposting is exactly that. I post total utter flippant vomit on here. Yes I bought alts at BTC 17.5k (posted it) and said it’ll go to 11k or even 6k. I am dumb. I then said BTC could go as high as 42k and I sold around 29k. Make of that what you will.

I would like layer 2 alts to nuke. Unfortunately that will take out ETH. The thing to ponder about ETHBTC at support is are we all cool with the floor price of a punk NFT being triple that of Bitcoin? are we ok the NFT rock done in MS Paint being worth 150k at the bottom? They will 10x from here if so.

The more ‘alive’ these total pieces of shit are, the less money there is to pull up Bitcoin.
The less Bitcoin can pump, the worse off we all are. The Degenerate stuff exists on the ETH network so all that money holding up jpegs also prevents money flowing into ETH.

We kind of need ETH to take one for the team here and be the sacrificial lamb to kill off the stupid stuff.

Tone is always lost so apologies for being too blunt.

No worries.

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« Reply #9646 on: July 02, 2023, 09:14:27 PM »


I used Binance and it’s full of phantom orders and fake volume. Been known for years.

I would place limit orders and price would move right past me without being filled.

Got to the stage where I only market buy/ market sell otherwise I couldn’t Get fillled or the order book would vanish.

Places who do that are also trading against you.

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« Reply #9647 on: July 02, 2023, 10:42:21 PM »

I used Binance and it’s full of phantom orders and fake volume. Been known for years.

I would place limit orders and price would move right past me without being filled.

Got to the stage where I only market buy/ market sell otherwise I couldn’t Get fillled or the order book would vanish.

Places who do that are also trading against you.

Fully agree. And yes they definitely were doing that. Very sneaky.

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« Reply #9648 on: July 03, 2023, 07:17:30 AM »
Who knows. The Ethereum + Ethereum token market cap is approaching the market cap of Bitcoin.

BTC: 592 billion

ETH: 230.5 billion


Ethereun Tokens Market Cap: 240.64 billion

https://cryptoslate.com/blockchain/ethereum/

Some notable ETH tokens:

USDT: 83.5 billion
USDC: 27.95 billion
WBTC: 4.6 billion
DAI: 4.6 billion
MATIC: 6.14 billion
SHIB: 4.5 billion

ETH should really be trading at 1/6th the value of BTC because of the total supply. BTC @ $31K means ETH should be around $5k. Disregarding the other positive attributes such as lower current inflation and staking yields. It is currently underpriced relative to Bitcoin.

Michael Saylor reckons BTC dominance will go up to 80%. He lives in a fantasy and he is not looking too healthy lately in some of his interviews. He appears desperate and might be resorting to alcohol.

There are over 7 billion people on the planet. If the total ETH supply was distributed evenly to 1 billion people each person would only receive 0.122 ETH. Obviously, they would receive less BTC - around 0.02 BTC. But the point is even the Ethereum supply is small compared to the number of people on the planet. The world is big enough and there are enough use cases to justify numerous blockhains. Bitcoin is entirely unsuited to function as the one and only blockchain. It would completely choke and grind to a halt.

I also see a structural problem with the current Bitcoin model. As miner yields decrease the network will increasingly have to rely on fees to keep it secure. The fees would have to increase dramatically to keep "miners" incentivized. Therefore Bitcoin will become too expensive to transact with for most people. The lighting network has been touted as the solution. The only issue with that is it is centralized. You would not want to send a huge amount of BTC over the lighting network. And I have heard that it is clunky and overly-complex.

https://coingeek.com/btc-lightning-network-it-still-doesnt-work-but-does-anyone-notice/
https://unboundedcapital.com/blog/why-lightning-doesnt-work

Been awhile since I checked the market cap of BTC and ETH.

Didn't know the gap had closed so much!

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #9649 on: July 03, 2023, 11:21:35 PM »
I lost $25 speculating. I'm a little  hesitant to jump back in...