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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11100 on: August 04, 2024, 06:57:57 PM »

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11102 on: August 04, 2024, 08:27:46 PM »
WOW! Just checked https://ultrasound.money/ and ETH deflation is at -8.52% at a zoomed in time frame! Let's panic sell some more so it can burn. Then when the dip is bought let's burn some more on the way up. I hope all paper hands sell on L1 - lol!

Ethereum is down almost 20%. Getting hit with the Grayscale outflows and the overall market sentiment. Let's see where it settles. Of course I am not selling. I'll ride it down to zero if needed  ;D

News like this doesn't help either: Iranian Politician Says Tehran Might Already Have Nukes


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« Reply #11103 on: August 05, 2024, 01:11:32 AM »
I said it before, and now I hope a lesson has been learned. Engage in shitcoinery and you will be burned...

There is only one Bitcoin. There are an infinite number of shit coins.

HODL BTC, and long term you will thrive. How hard can that be?

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« Reply #11104 on: August 06, 2024, 12:34:49 AM »

V SHAPE RECOVERY  ;D

Selling because of a 20-25% correction is pathetic. And then you have to pay capital gains taxes.

Let's say you have $10,000 worth of crypto token
It dumps 25% down to $7,500. You sell and pay 20% capital gains tax, or $1,500. You now have $6,000 left.
It pumps back to $10,000. If you buy back in you'll end up with 60% of your original stack. + The time lost trading and paying taxes.

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« Reply #11105 on: August 06, 2024, 01:35:48 AM »
V SHAPE RECOVERY  ;D

Selling because of a 20-25% correction is pathetic. And then you have to pay capital gains taxes.

Let's say you have $10,000 worth of crypto token
It dumps 25% down to $7,500. You sell and pay 20% capital gains tax, or $1,500. You now have $6,000 left.
It pumps back to $10,000. If you buy back in you'll end up with 60% of your original stack. + The time lost trading and paying taxes.

A small correction -  Only of those who are in countries which impose income or capital gains taxes, and who in such countries wish to comply with the law (and/or who have not structured their affairs correctly) will need to pay taxes.

Those of us who are in countries which do not impose income or capital gains taxes will not need to pay taxes.
 
I find it ironic that people use BTC as a way to defend against a devaluing currency, but then fail to structure themselves in a way that any "gain" they make in their BTC value is not taken away by taxes. Think about - its totally illogical...

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« Reply #11106 on: August 06, 2024, 01:37:06 AM »
After 447 pages of nonsense, everything u need to know in 7 minutes.



I have explained it many times - fiat currency is the scam - Bitcoin is our defense against that.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11107 on: August 06, 2024, 01:41:10 AM »
Just look and observe at the BTC to ETH price ratio. You will see ETH continues to decline. (Had a little pop on ETF hope, which turns out to be a real dud, and now has resumed its continued downward trend. Eth is now down 24% to BTC since the beginning of the year, and this is likely to continue. So we might well be looking at down 35-50% BTC by year end.


Little update - ETH is now down 29% to BTC since beginning of year....

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11108 on: August 06, 2024, 04:48:47 AM »
V SHAPE RECOVERY  ;D

Selling because of a 20-25% correction is pathetic. And then you have to pay capital gains taxes.

Let's say you have $10,000 worth of crypto token
It dumps 25% down to $7,500. You sell and pay 20% capital gains tax, or $1,500. You now have $6,000 left.
It pumps back to $10,000. If you buy back in you'll end up with 60% of your original stack. + The time lost trading and paying taxes.

 :D

Hilarious how they panic every single time though, like these dips/corrections/dumps are something new.

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« Reply #11109 on: August 06, 2024, 05:15:17 AM »
Ethereum ETFs Scored $49M Inflows as ETH Plunged

Despite a sharp 20% drop in price, U.S.-listed spot ether exchange-traded funds (ETFs) saw net inflows of nearly $49 million on Monday, indicating strong demand.

Professional investors bought the dip, however. Data tracked by SoSoValue shows ETH ETFs traded over $715 million, the highest since July 30.

BlackRock’s ETHA led inflows at $47 million. Fidelity’s FETH and VanEck’s ETHV recorded $16 million in inflows each.

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/08/06/ethereum-etfs-scored-49m-inflows-as-eth-plunged/

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11110 on: August 06, 2024, 05:57:04 AM »
I said it before, and now I hope a lesson has been learned. Engage in shitcoinery and you will be burned...

There is only one Bitcoin. There are an infinite number of shit coins.

HODL BTC, and long term you will thrive. How hard can that be?

Keep stacking Satoshis!!!

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« Reply #11111 on: August 06, 2024, 07:45:21 AM »
How's that ''ETH is a security'' narrative going?  ;D




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« Reply #11112 on: August 06, 2024, 01:06:11 PM »
How's that ''ETH is a security'' narrative going?  ;D


HAHA! I forgot about that.

Gib - what's up with your prediction on how the Shitcoin ETH was going to be declared a security and never have a Spot ETF?! Don't you realize people want to make money on projects other than Bitcoin?

Bitcoin has outperformed Ethereum lately. We've seen this play out before. But that can always turn the other way. We've seen before how volatile the market can be. The Bitcoin price crashed 18% after the Spot ETFs started to trade because of Grayscale outflows. But market sentiment was not as negative as it is now. Ethereum saw a huge price dip and ETF investors bought the dip. Justin Sun loaded up on more Ethereum. Overall negative Ethereum sentiment is bullish. You get worried when everyone shills something.

At Current Prices:
Since its inception, Bitcoin has been up 1.18 million %.
Since its inception, Ethereum has been up 595,138 %.

At ATH Prices:
ETH historic low = $0.42 cents
ETH ATH = +/- $4,896.88

Increase = 1,16 million %

Ethereum has 6x the supply of Bitcoin. I am surprised the total percentage gain is comparable to Bitcoin.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11113 on: August 07, 2024, 02:17:13 AM »
V SHAPE RECOVERY  ;D

Selling because of a 20-25% correction is pathetic. And then you have to pay capital gains taxes.

Let's say you have $10,000 worth of crypto token
It dumps 25% down to $7,500. You sell and pay 20% capital gains tax, or $1,500. You now have $6,000 left.
It pumps back to $10,000. If you buy back in you'll end up with 60% of your original stack. + The time lost trading and paying taxes.

My feed is full of overjoyed bullish people.

It seems nobody gasps what it means for the cycle which is good for me and good for gib.

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« Reply #11114 on: August 07, 2024, 05:25:22 AM »
How's that ''ETH is a security'' narrative going?  ;D



Well the narrative remains the same (and we are of course seeing that played out in how Eth is being valued by the market in comparison to both BTC and newer "alts").

If something looks like shit, and smells like shit... well it probably is shit. And no matter what you call it, of how you serve it, or what you wrap it up in, eventually the market figures out that it still is just shit.

Now, applying this concept to ETH, I think its almost unanimous that ETC has failed in its "the new Bitcoin", "its a better store of value than Bitcoin", etc narrative that once drove investment into it. As Eth's issuance schedule was repeatedly changed, and as it moved from POW to POS, and as more people became aware of the key man risk of Vitalik, and the control of the "Eth foundation", the fact that Eth's characteristics can be changed as the whim of a single person, the massive pre-mining issuance, involvement of Vitalik's mother running Eth related scams, etc, it became extremely obvious to all that Eth is not, and does not in any way function as a commodity in the way BTC does.

As I have explained many times before, Eth has all the qualities of a security. Now that itself does not make it inherently "bad" but the problem that investors are now realizing with such characteristics you need to value Eth as you would any other company. And that in turn is why its value is slowly bleeding both into BTC (which is continuing to function beautifully as a true commodity), and into the other infinite number of alternative "crypto securities".

Did I expect ETH to be approved for an ETF? No. And should it have been approved under an application of existing US securities laws? No. But for whatever reason, the SEC gave up the fight to enforce the law. But either way, does the ETF wrapper change its fundamental characteristics? No, of course not. And this is why we are now seeing this constant decline in its value and desirability.

So, to answer your question, that's how the narrative is going.. :)

Oh - and by the way, Eth now down over 30% to BTC over the last year, which even to a die-hard Eth fanboy, should make this all quite clear, especially given Eth's much smaller market cap compared to Eth, Eth's younger age, Eth's ETF approval, and ETH's supposedly"better technology"...


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« Reply #11115 on: August 07, 2024, 10:47:34 PM »
Well the narrative remains the same (and we are of course seeing that played out in how Eth is being valued by the market in comparison to both BTC and newer "alts").

If something looks like shit, and smells like shit... well it probably is shit. And no matter what you call it, of how you serve it, or what you wrap it up in, eventually the market figures out that it still is just shit.

Now, applying this concept to ETH, I think its almost unanimous that ETC has failed in its "the new Bitcoin", "its a better store of value than Bitcoin", etc narrative that once drove investment into it. As Eth's issuance schedule was repeatedly changed, and as it moved from POW to POS, and as more people became aware of the key man risk of Vitalik, and the control of the "Eth foundation", the fact that Eth's characteristics can be changed as the whim of a single person, the massive pre-mining issuance, involvement of Vitalik's mother running Eth related scams, etc, it became extremely obvious to all that Eth is not, and does not in any way function as a commodity in the way BTC does.

As I have explained many times before, Eth has all the qualities of a security. Now that itself does not make it inherently "bad" but the problem that investors are now realizing with such characteristics you need to value Eth as you would any other company. And that in turn is why its value is slowly bleeding both into BTC (which is continuing to function beautifully as a true commodity), and into the other infinite number of alternative "crypto securities".

Did I expect ETH to be approved for an ETF? No. And should it have been approved under an application of existing US securities laws? No. But for whatever reason, the SEC gave up the fight to enforce the law. But either way, does the ETF wrapper change its fundamental characteristics? No, of course not. And this is why we are now seeing this constant decline in its value and desirability.

So, to answer your question, that's how the narrative is going.. :)

Oh - and by the way, Eth now down over 30% to BTC over the last year, which even to a die-hard Eth fanboy, should make this all quite clear, especially given Eth's much smaller market cap compared to Eth, Eth's younger age, Eth's ETF approval, and ETH's supposedly"better technology"...
ETH is down currently because of Grayscale selling pressure along with FUD and Jump trading selling off. I have no doubt it will recover eventually. If you're a short-term investor then good luck. I am looking at this 10-20 years out. We'll compare notes again much later - lol!

https://cointelegraph.com/news/jump-trading-sells-29m-ether-bottom-near

I disagree that ETH looks like shit. The fundamentals are great. It's rock solid, never shuts down like Solana, is probably more decentralized than Bitcoin, more difficult to attack. Fees on L2 are super low. Dencun was a huge success. The inflation is lower currently than Bitcoin's. Staking is at an all-time high. These are growing pains. Ethereum has started to see some positive ETF inflows to cancel out the Grayscale outflows. Remember Bitcoin had this same issue. The Grayscale outflows might pick up again if the ETH price recovers more. It's part of the game. The ETF investors are probably loving the discounted value. They would be overjoyed if Ethereum went below $2,000.

There is a huge question mark for me over Bitcoin's mining economy / viability long-term. Mining has been unprofitable in 2024. The current average BTC mining cost is $82,007 vs the BTC price of $56,896.

Think of what you're asking of miners. You expect them to keep mining and securing Bitcoin while losing $25,000 per BTC that they mine. They would be better off buying. But Bitcoin does not function without miners. They are needed to confirm the transactions. You said the difficulty would adjust to make it profitable again. But it has not. And this is in 2024. What happens in 2028, 2032, 2036?! The miner rewards would half every 4 years meaning the cost to mine BTC would double unless energy and hardware become much cheaper. Right now it ain't profitable to mine BTC. Would you mine if it was unprofitable? So why should anyone else?

Meanwhile, with Ethereum, the validators do use electricity but nothing like ASIC miners. And Liquid staking means you don't have to worry about hardware or electrical bills by paying a fee to the staking providers.

Ethereum is not a security, period. There are no investment contracts, and solo staking requires physical work to maintain the validators. With liquid staking you pay a fee for which the staking provider perform work for you. It is not a free ride. If I buy a pizza I pay the restaurant for making it. How is that different than paying a staking provider via a fee for setting up the validators?

https://en.macromicro.me/charts/29435/bitcoin-production-total-cost

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« Reply #11116 on: August 08, 2024, 12:10:27 AM »
Solana will replace Ethereum.

Solana's ability to repair any failure is unmatched.
The Mainnet is becoming more and more resilient and is not even in Prod yet.
Firedancer will be deployed between Q4 and Q2 2025 and Solana
will exploit its full potential, that means everything Ethereum does
without multilayer, huge cost and slowness.

The Solana consensus mechanism is leaving Bitcoin and Ethereum in the dust by delivering an unparalleled blend of speed, scalability, and security. If you’re curious about what makes Solana’s consensus mechanism so special, here’s the quick scoop:


High-Speed Transactions: Capable of handling thousands of transactions per second.
-Decentralized Applications (dApps): Facilitating a rich ecosystem of decentralized applications.
-Proof of History (PoH): Using cryptographic timestamps for faster blockchain synchronization.
-Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS): Combining security and efficiency.

The Solana blockchain stands out for its ability to support high-speed transactions, which is a game-changer for decentralized applications. Unlike Bitcoin’s slow Proof of Work (PoW) or Ethereum’s now Proof of Stake (PoS) systems, Solana’s unique combination of Proof of History (PoH) and Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) creates a highly efficient and scalable network.
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11117 on: August 08, 2024, 01:32:38 AM »
ETH ETF investors would be loving a 2,000 price?

If you say they like making a loss, they’re going to be super happy soon…..

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« Reply #11118 on: August 08, 2024, 01:45:22 AM »
Great news for Eth believers. Eth is now down 32% to BTC over the last year. )

Obsidian - Yes, Solana is crap, but shitcoiners have no loyalty - they move from shit coin to shit coin chasing profits (and so hence we see the slow bleed from Eth to Sol and alts, (or from Eth to BTC, for those who now see the light...).

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« Reply #11119 on: August 08, 2024, 02:10:30 AM »
I’m calling a Bear market.

Took me 1 cycle in 2021 to learn. 2022-24 I nailed 17.5k to 73.1k and posted the entire time. It wasn’t easy.

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« Reply #11120 on: August 08, 2024, 07:41:48 AM »
ETH ETF investors would be loving a 2,000 price?

If you say they like making a loss, they’re going to be super happy soon…..
New ETF investors. Everyone who wants to invest needs to get on the elevator at some point. Those who wanted exposure can now get in on a lower floor. Gibs got in when the Bitcoin elevator stopped at $5,000.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spot-ethereum-etfs-receive-inflows-221707679.html?guccounter=1

Spot Ethereum ETFs Receive Inflows Despite Market Plunge

Newly launched spot Ethereum ETFs generated inflows Monday, a rare bright spot on a day when risk-on assets, including cryptocurrencies, plunged.

The positive flows occurred even as ether, the crypto that the spot Ethereum funds track, dropped more than 25% at one point Monday from the previous day, according to data from CoinMarketCap. It has recently recovered some of the lost ground to trade at about $2,500, up 4.5% from Monday, same time.

The Ethereum ETFs recorded $48.8 million in inflows, according to data from U.K. asset manager Farside Investors.

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« Reply #11121 on: August 08, 2024, 07:54:05 AM »
Solana will replace Ethereum.

Solana's ability to repair any failure is unmatched.
The Mainnet is becoming more and more resilient and is not even in Prod yet.
Firedancer will be deployed between Q4 and Q2 2025 and Solana
will exploit its full potential, that means everything Ethereum does
without multilayer, huge cost and slowness.

The Solana consensus mechanism is leaving Bitcoin and Ethereum in the dust by delivering an unparalleled blend of speed, scalability, and security. If you’re curious about what makes Solana’s consensus mechanism so special, here’s the quick scoop:


High-Speed Transactions: Capable of handling thousands of transactions per second.
-Decentralized Applications (dApps): Facilitating a rich ecosystem of decentralized applications.
-Proof of History (PoH): Using cryptographic timestamps for faster blockchain synchronization.
-Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS): Combining security and efficiency.

The Solana blockchain stands out for its ability to support high-speed transactions, which is a game-changer for decentralized applications. Unlike Bitcoin’s slow Proof of Work (PoW) or Ethereum’s now Proof of Stake (PoS) systems, Solana’s unique combination of Proof of History (PoH) and Delegated Proof of Stake (DPoS) creates a highly efficient and scalable network.
I am highly suspect of Solana - considering the founder's origin. People have been burned before by such individuals. FTX, Celsius, Madoff, Belford - just look at who they were. Bullshitters.

Solana TPS and transaction volumes are exaggerated and misleading. Many of the wallet / user actions are bots trading, not real people. Wash-trading is rampant.

https://cryptoslate.com/solanas-july-dex-volume-exceeds-ethereum-amid-wash-trading-concerns/

“Looking at the wallets involved, the vast majority seem to be bots in the same network with tens of thousands of transactions. They generate fake volumes independently, with random amounts of SOL and a random no. of transactions until the project rugs, before moving onto the next one.”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/blockchains-like-solana-brag-about-tps-but-it-s-misleading

https://medium.com/@CryptoSavingExpert/solana-tps-is-fake-and-massively-inflated-cyber-capital-founder-da2ff27b1ed4

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11122 on: August 08, 2024, 07:54:45 AM »
New ETF investors. Everyone who wants to invest needs to get on the elevator at some point. Those who wanted exposure can now get in on a lower floor. Gibs got in when the Bitcoin elevator stopped at $5,000.

True - and actually I got some even at around the 3K mark. But have been continuously buying all along on the way up since then also.

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« Reply #11123 on: August 08, 2024, 07:56:27 AM »
I am highly suspect of Solana - considering the founder's origin. People have been burned before by such individuals. FTX, Celsius, Madoff, Belford - just look at who they were. Bullshitters.

Solana TPS and transaction volumes are exaggerated and misleading. Many of the wallet / user actions are bots trading, not real people. Wash-trading is rampant.

https://cryptoslate.com/solanas-july-dex-volume-exceeds-ethereum-amid-wash-trading-concerns/

“Looking at the wallets involved, the vast majority seem to be bots in the same network with tens of thousands of transactions. They generate fake volumes independently, with random amounts of SOL and a random no. of transactions until the project rugs, before moving onto the next one.”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/blockchains-like-solana-brag-about-tps-but-it-s-misleading

https://medium.com/@CryptoSavingExpert/solana-tps-is-fake-and-massively-inflated-cyber-capital-founder-da2ff27b1ed4

You are fully correct. However, they type of investor chasing alt-gains don't care. And that is the very problem with any non-Bitcoin cryptocurrency. 

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #11124 on: August 08, 2024, 08:02:35 AM »
https://www.theblock.co/post/309494/eth-staking-reaches-27-95-as-liquid-restaking-protocols-experience-exponential-growth

ETH staking reaches 27.95% as liquid restaking protocols experience exponential growth

The percentage of the ETH supply staked reached an all-time high of 27.95%. This comes after a brief dip two weeks ago, when it dropped by 0.76 percentage points in a single day on July 21, from 27.58% to 26.82%.

Since then, this figure has not only rebounded but surpassed previous highs. Notably, since the launch of the ETH ETFs, the percentage of ETH staked has increased by 1.9%.

What's particularly interesting is how, similar to the trend in the Bitcoin network’s transaction count discussed in the previous section, ETH’s staking trend has decoupled from its price performance.

Since ETH hit highs of around $4,090 in March, its price has dropped by approximately 30% to $2,900 at the time of writing. However, during this same period, the percentage of ETH staked has increased by around 2%, from 26% to nearly 28%.