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« Reply #12000 on: June 05, 2025, 10:54:56 PM »
Dude you are like a broken record. BTC hashrate just hit an ATH last week...
Don't get me wrong, Gib — Bitcoin has performed incredibly well and remained remarkably stable during recent uncertain times. I don’t see that changing anytime soon, and you made a solid choice with BTC.

Ethereum, on the other hand, still has a lot of catching up to do. Personally, I think it’s significantly undervalued in what often feels like an irrational market. Time will tell. BTC launched in 2009, while ETH came out in 2015 — it's nearly two full cycles behind. It might end up mimicking Bitcoin’s 2017 run in the near future.

I'll admit it's sitting a lot lower than I expected right now, but in my opinion, the outlook is improving.

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« Reply #12001 on: June 06, 2025, 03:14:51 AM »
Eth still needs ETF staking approval and rate cuts before it makes up any meaningful ground on BTC and we can say Altseason, but it's looking much better.

Solana is cooked right now though. Trenches are rekt and those remaining have bridged over to Eth and base. ETF approval might give it a little pump, but it won't last.

Eth maxis should check out what Sbet are planning

Yet, only a matter of time.

Stablecoins and RWA tokenization will also increasingly be part of the narrative. Ethereum intends to be the 'internet of finance'.

ETH now has a lobbying group in the US, 'Etherealize' which was formed recently.

Sharplink Gaming is building an ETH reserve, already having purchased nearly half a billion dollars worth and looking to add another billion.

'ETH Strategy' was also formed.

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« Reply #12002 on: June 06, 2025, 09:48:28 AM »
Eth still needs ETF staking approval and rate cuts before it makes up any meaningful ground on BTC and we can say Altseason, but it's looking much better.

Solana is cooked right now though. Trenches are rekt and those remaining have bridged over to Eth and base. ETF approval might give it a little pump, but it won't last.

Eth maxis should check out what Sbet are planning

I explained already a few times, wrapping up a piece of shit in a nice wrapper does not change what is fundamentally inside it...

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« Reply #12003 on: June 06, 2025, 09:51:29 AM »
Ethereum intends to be the 'internet of finance'.


Reality is that the internet itself already is the "internet of finance". And with BTC as its base layer.

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« Reply #12004 on: June 06, 2025, 09:54:45 AM »

Sharplink Gaming is building an ETH reserve, already having purchased nearly half a billion dollars worth and looking to add another billion.


We have seen it time and time again - the promise of "out-Bitcoining" Bitcoin. Didn't work for individuals, didn't work for hedge funds, didn't work for scammer Raul Paul, and won't work for companies... I have said it soooo many times - wealth is finite, divided we stand and succeed, those who seek to divide will fall....

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« Reply #12005 on: June 06, 2025, 10:03:16 AM »
Don't get me wrong, Gib — Bitcoin has performed incredibly well and remained remarkably stable during recent uncertain times. I don’t see that changing anytime soon, and you made a solid choice with BTC.

Ethereum, on the other hand, still has a lot of catching up to do. Personally, I think it’s significantly undervalued in what often feels like an irrational market. Time will tell. BTC launched in 2009, while ETH came out in 2015 — it's nearly two full cycles behind. It might end up mimicking Bitcoin’s 2017 run in the near future.

I'll admit it's sitting a lot lower than I expected right now, but in my opinion, the outlook is improving.

No I gotcha - BTC's performance can't be denied, for obvious reasons, and it should be very obvious why this should continue.

When you mention the 2 cycles, ETH is behind, what cycles exactly are you referring to? Bitcoin halving cycles by any chance? (As Eth has no cycles of its own). :)

I provided my valuation for Eth some time back at around $500 per coin. That was based on a standard discounted cashflow analysis which I used for all income producing assets. And that is not even taking into account that it may trend to zero due to alts to Eth emerging (of which the number is infinite). I would urge you to act on any upward move on Eth vs BTC, to convert to BTC. It may seem "painful", but in hindsight, I promise you it is the right thing to do, as Eth will continue to trend downwards in comparison to BTC over time.


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« Reply #12006 on: June 06, 2025, 10:19:52 AM »
I explained already a few times, wrapping up a piece of shit in a nice wrapper does not change what is fundamentally inside it...

It all a piece of shit in a nice wrapper including btc. How's bitcoin working out as a digital currency. That was the original wrapper wasn't it.

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« Reply #12007 on: June 06, 2025, 11:59:08 AM »
It all a piece of shit in a nice wrapper including btc. How's bitcoin working out as a digital currency. That was the original wrapper wasn't it.

Now done by stablecoins....mostly on Ethereum  ;D

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« Reply #12008 on: June 06, 2025, 11:59:56 AM »
Ethereum Reclaims DeFi Leadership with Record $480 billion Stablecoin Volume

Ethereum has made a dramatic return to the heart of decentralized finance (DeFi) as the blockchain continues to assert its dominance in the stablecoin market. In May 2025, Ethereum reached a record $480 billion in stablecoin transactions on its Layer-1 network, driven by significant improvements in transaction efficiency and liquidity.

Following Ethereum’s resurgence, USDC has firmly established itself as the dominant stablecoin on the network. The rise of USDC’s trading volume in May 2025 reflects a broader trend toward stablecoin utility over speculative assets, particularly within the DeFi ecosystem. Stablecoins, such as USDC, are increasingly favoured for payment-driven applications, which are seen as more stable and practical compared to volatile tokens.

https://www.analyticsinsight.net/ethereum/ethereum-reclaims-defi-leadership-with-record-480-billion-stablecoin-volume-a-new-era-for-defi-20

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« Reply #12009 on: June 06, 2025, 12:19:28 PM »
Apple, X, Airbnb, and Google in Early Talks for Stablecoin Integration

Major technology companies including Apple, X, Airbnb, and Google are reportedly in early discussions with cryptocurrency firms about integrating stablecoins into their platforms, according to Fortune.

The firms are exploring stablecoin adoption as a means to enhance transaction efficiency and reduce costs. Apple and Airbnb are described as 'testing the stablecoin waters,' as reported by Fortune Crypto's reporters.

Sources mentioned the firms are discussing which stablecoin to integrate and is considering options, including top stablecoins USDT and USDC.


https://thedefiant.io/news/tradfi-and-fintech/apple-x-airbnb-google-early-talks-stablecoin-integration-88bbd20f

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« Reply #12010 on: June 06, 2025, 08:21:40 PM »
It all a piece of shit in a nice wrapper including btc. How's bitcoin working out as a digital currency. That was the original wrapper wasn't it.

BTC is a proof work (not POS) but yes hold it direct if you can, not wrapped in anything. But either way, you need to look a the value of what it is that’s been wrapped in the first place.

As for how it’s doing as a currency it has risen in value to fait each year, now ranked 11 largest globally in terms of market cap, and 3rd most widely globally circulated after USD and Euro.

And it was originally not in any wrapper, was it … :)


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« Reply #12011 on: June 06, 2025, 11:04:00 PM »
BTC is a proof work (not POS) but yes hold it direct if you can, not wrapped in anything. But either way, you need to look a the value of what it is that’s been wrapped in the first place.

As for how it’s doing as a currency it has risen in value to fait each year, now ranked 11 largest globally in terms of market cap, and 3rd most widely globally circulated after USD and Euro.

And it was originally not in any wrapper, was it … :)

Wrapped in lies. Btc as digital currency was the lie originally to get people to buy it. There have been others. Funny that some BTC maxis are still in denial about it.

Without those lies it's nothing but a big piece of shit just like the rest of crypto. Doesn't mean it all isn't a great way to accumulate wealth though. One of the best.

Stable coins (and potentially tokenisation of real world assets and stocks in the future) are the only thing in *crypto that are genuinely useful.

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« Reply #12012 on: June 07, 2025, 12:53:30 AM »
Wrapped in lies. Btc as digital currency was the lie originally to get people to buy it. There have been others. Funny that some BTC maxis are still in denial about it.

Without those lies it's nothing but a big piece of shit just like the rest of crypto. Doesn't mean it all isn't a great way to accumulate wealth though. One of the best.

Stable coins (and potentially tokenisation of real world assets and stocks in the future) are the only thing in

lol what on earth are u talking about? BTC is the ultimate truth. The source code was public from day #1 of the genesis block as have been ever since. There can’t be anything more truthful than public code making use of a mathematical algorithm backed by physics.

Further, as a digital commodity, the only thing BTC does is tell the truth. That indeed at its core is what BTC is and why it is so very much need. BTC IS TRUTH. And your comment really is an entire perversion of the entire fundamental concept of how BTC functions. Not that BTC cares - indeed BTC just keeps on doing what it does regardless of what you say about it. In the long run, the truth will never be defeated by lies.

People convert economic energy into a public ledger backed by mathematics and physics. It’s a beautiful thing. And the is no more of a real world asset that can be digitised than economic energy. Which BTC is the base layer of. For obvious reasons…
 

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« Reply #12013 on: June 07, 2025, 01:43:07 AM »
Wrapped in lies. Btc as digital currency was the lie originally to get people to buy it. There have been others. Funny that some BTC maxis are still in denial about it.

Without those lies it's nothing but a big piece of shit just like the rest of crypto. Doesn't mean it all isn't a great way to accumulate wealth though. One of the best.

Stable coins (and potentially tokenisation of real world assets and stocks in the future) are the only thing in

The aim of Ethereum is to digitize global wealth, with mass-adoption of stablecoins for payments and savings and tokenization of assets and stocks, this would push the market cap into trillions.

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« Reply #12014 on: June 07, 2025, 01:45:20 AM »
lol what on earth are u talking about? BTC is the ultimate truth. The source code was public from day #1 of the genesis block.

People convert economic energy into a public ledger backed by mathematics and physics. It’s a beautiful thing. And the is no more of a real world asset that can be digitised than economic energy. Which BTC is the base layer of. For obvious reasons…

Good to see your maxi delusions still thriving  :D

Never change Gib. Without people like you, bitcoin and in turn crypto and my shitcoin bag wouldn't exist 🍻


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« Reply #12015 on: June 07, 2025, 01:59:47 AM »
The aim of Ethereum is to digitize global wealth, with mass-adoption of stablecoins for payments and savings and tokenization of assets and stocks, this would push the market cap into trillions.

Doesn't look like it will be done on Eth (not even with L2s and L3s) but Eth will play a role as a security layer.

The biggest hurdle for institutional adoption is KYC, cross boarder payments, transactions per second and making all that frictionless.

Whichever L1 or L2 solves that stands to win. Eth and it L2s can't do the required transactions per second, Solana is a meme chain and XRP is just a hustle

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« Reply #12016 on: June 07, 2025, 02:08:56 AM »

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« Reply #12017 on: June 07, 2025, 02:14:26 AM »
French banking giant to launch world’s first bank-issued dollar stablecoin on Ethereum

Société Générale's crypto subsidiary SG Forge is introducing the first bank-issued dollar stablecoin on Ethereum.

Initially targeted at institutional investors, the stablecoin aims to address growing demand in the European Union for secure, regulated access to dollar liquidity in tokenized form. SG Forge’s e-money license under EU law, similar to that held by Circle, the issuer of USDC, allows it to operate such a product legally within the bloc.

The launch comes as stablecoins enter a new phase of adoption, driven by regulatory momentum, rising institutional interest, and expanding real-world use cases.

In the US, proposed legislation like the GENIUS Act signals growing political support for payment stablecoins, calling for stricter reserve backing and issuer oversight. Though not yet law, these efforts reflect a shift toward formalizing stablecoins within the traditional financial system.

https://cryptobriefing.com/dollar-stablecoin-launch-ethereum/

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« Reply #12018 on: June 07, 2025, 02:44:58 AM »


They are using ETH as a security layer, but ETH isn't solving any of the current issues

You would still need to individually KYC for a lot of those platforms, same as you do now in the real world.

If you want to use crypto you hold on Robinhood and buy a tokenised Lambo, then you still have to go through multiple steps on the blockchain and sometimes 3rd parties to complete that. Again no different to now. Also eventually ETh and it L3s/L3s will cap out on TPS

The first part of the solution needs to be you KYC once, it's saved on the blockchain and you can use it anywhere. The second part of the solution is a 1 click trade/purchase between any crypto and assets without the need for 3rd parties.

Everything needs to be frictionless, instantaneous and secure. Eth handles the secure part, but not the rest, so another solution that works alongside Eth is needed (not L2s/L3s)

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« Reply #12019 on: June 07, 2025, 03:02:09 AM »
They are using ETH as a security layer, but ETH isn't solving any of the current issues

You would still need to individually KYC for a lot of those platforms, same as you do now in the real world.

If you want to use crypto you hold on Robinhood and buy a tokenised Lambo, then you still have to go through multiple steps on the blockchain and sometimes 3rd parties to complete that. Again no different to now. Also eventually ETh and it L3s/L3s will cap out on TPS

The first part of the solution needs to be you KYC once, it's saved on the blockchain and you can use it anywhere. The second part of the solution is a 1 click trade/purchase between any crypto and assets without the need for 3rd parties.

Everything needs to be frictionless, instantaneous and secure. Eth handles the secure part, but not the rest, so another solution that works alongside Eth is needed (not L2s/L3s)

As mentioned, a large French bank, Société Générale is already introducing stablecoins on Ethereum.

This from the Visa website, they have several articles:

Visa: Empowering the future of payments with stablecoins

Stablecoins combine the stability of fiat currencies with the speed of crypto — enabling digital payments that are fast, borderless and accessible.

Learn how Visa is a leader working to integrate stablecoins into the next generation of payments, with innovative solutions for banks, fintechs and crypto wallets.

Stablecoins are becoming increasingly integrated into mainstream payments — not just for crypto companies, but for banks, corporates and financial institutions globally. As adoption becomes more widespread, every financial institution should have a stablecoin strategy — Visa can help.

As recent shifts in the regulatory landscape have the capacity to catalyze stablecoin growth, every bank and fintech should have a stablecoin strategy. Explore how stablecoins are integrating into traditional payment solutions while enabling banks to accelerate growth across public blockchains.

https://corporate.visa.com/en/solutions/crypto/stablecoins.html

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« Reply #12020 on: June 07, 2025, 04:35:11 AM »
As mentioned, a large French bank, Société Générale is already introducing stablecoins on Ethereum.

This from the Visa website, they have several articles:

Visa: Empowering the future of payments with stablecoins

Stablecoins combine the stability of fiat currencies with the speed of crypto — enabling digital payments that are fast, borderless and accessible.

Learn how Visa is a leader working to integrate stablecoins into the next generation of payments, with innovative solutions for banks, fintechs and crypto wallets.

Stablecoins are becoming increasingly integrated into mainstream payments — not just for crypto companies, but for banks, corporates and financial institutions globally. As adoption becomes more widespread, every financial institution should have a stablecoin strategy — Visa can help.

As recent shifts in the regulatory landscape have the capacity to catalyze stablecoin growth, every bank and fintech should have a stablecoin strategy. Explore how stablecoins are integrating into traditional payment solutions while enabling banks to accelerate growth across public blockchains.

https://corporate.visa.com/en/solutions/crypto/stablecoins.html

Ethereum and it's L2s work fine as a settlement layer, but it wont cut it as a transaction layer.

Visa is also working with Solana. Solana for example could potentially be a transaction layer for Visa payments and Eth could still be a settlement layer.

Just because companies are working with Eth and it's L2s doesn't mean it's going to be a one stop solution for all digital assets and tokenisation. It's only part of the solution. Don't get caught up in Eth Maximalism

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« Reply #12021 on: June 07, 2025, 01:57:49 PM »
I provided my valuation for Eth some time back at around $500 per coin. That was based on a standard discounted cashflow analysis which I used for all income producing assets.
There’s no need to overcomplicate things with fancy cash flow models. The key point is simple: ETH is a powerful store of value, and it also generates yield. On top of that, it operates on the most secure and economically robust blockchain in existence.

While Ethereum's capabilities—smart contracts, DeFi, stablecoins, and more—are impressive, they are bonuses. The core value proposition of ETH is as a store of value. I hold it for that reason, and I’m far from alone.

Since its launch in 2015, ETH has appreciated roughly 2,100x, compared to Bitcoin’s ~350x over the same period. That means ETH has outperformed BTC by approximately 6x over the past decade.

Yet despite this performance, ETH remains significantly undervalued relative to BTC. In recent years, BTC has gained more attention—largely due to market irrationality and Ethereum’s weaker marketing efforts, not fundamental superiority.

It’s also worth noting that many people apply complex valuation models to ETH but not to BTC—an inconsistent standard. But ultimately, none of that is necessary. What matters is this: ETH is a world-class store of value with the potential to reach $100,000, $1 million, or beyond.

Everyone should seriously consider working toward becoming a whole coiner of ETH. The reasons are becoming more obvious by the day.

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« Reply #12022 on: June 08, 2025, 01:36:43 AM »
Ethereum Reclaims DeFi Leadership with Record $480 billion Stablecoin Volume

Ethereum has made a dramatic return to the heart of decentralized finance (DeFi) as the blockchain continues to assert its dominance in the stablecoin market. In May 2025, Ethereum reached a record $480 billion in stablecoin transactions on its Layer-1 network, driven by significant improvements in transaction efficiency and liquidity.

Following Ethereum’s resurgence, USDC has firmly established itself as the dominant stablecoin on the network. The rise of USDC’s trading volume in May 2025 reflects a broader trend toward stablecoin utility over speculative assets, particularly within the DeFi ecosystem. Stablecoins, such as USDC, are increasingly favored for payment-driven applications, which are seen as more stable and practical compared to volatile tokens.

The growing adoption of stablecoins is evident in Ethereum’s mainnet transaction volume, as it serves as the preferred network for real-world use cases requiring efficient payments.

Stablecoins have become essential in DeFi because they provide stability in a volatile crypto market, and are especially beneficial for global payments.

https://www.analyticsinsight.net/ethereum/ethereum-reclaims-defi-leadership-with-record-480-billion-stablecoin-volume-a-new-era-for-defi-20

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« Reply #12023 on: June 08, 2025, 09:03:49 AM »
There’s no need to overcomplicate things with fancy cash flow models. The key point is simple: ETH is a powerful store of value, and it also generates yield. On top of that, it operates on the most secure and economically robust blockchain in existence.

While Ethereum's capabilities—smart contracts, DeFi, stablecoins, and more—are impressive, they are bonuses. The core value proposition of ETH is as a store of value. I hold it for that reason, and I’m far from alone.

Since its launch in 2015, ETH has appreciated roughly 2,100x, compared to Bitcoin’s ~350x over the same period. That means ETH has outperformed BTC by approximately 6x over the past decade.

Yet despite this performance, ETH remains significantly undervalued relative to BTC. In recent years, BTC has gained more attention—largely due to market irrationality and Ethereum’s weaker marketing efforts, not fundamental superiority.

It’s also worth noting that many people apply complex valuation models to ETH but not to BTC—an inconsistent standard. But ultimately, none of that is necessary. What matters is this: ETH is a world-class store of value with the potential to reach $100,000, $1 million, or beyond.

Everyone should seriously consider working toward becoming a whole coiner of ETH. The reasons are becoming more obvious by the day.

Anything, even a banana, can be a "store of value". The key thing to consider what, of an infinite number of stores, is the ultimate store of value. The answer to that is Bitcoin, and there is no way Eth, or any "alt" can out-Bitcoin at what Bitcoin does best. Eth never was a store of value (of obvious reasons). BTC not dependent on any "revenue" for a "yield" is one of its may strengths ) and of course one of many Eth's weekensses, which will impact its perceived (and actual) value, as an infinite number of cheaper alternatives come along. It should be obvious that we will, for obvious reasons, not see the reserves of countries, or sovereign wealth funds, or family offices etc add Eth in any meaningful way are the are BTC as the ultimate global store of value.

However, will the usage of Eth increase with the rise of the use of stable coins - yes that is certainly possible.

You seem well-intentioned, and smart - just somehow, there is something holding you back, and part of that may be that you are so smart that you can't see the forest from the trees.

I won't repeat myself for now, so will drop back to say hi when BTC hits $125,000. By then, we will likely also have seen ETH fall to another ATL to BTC. I know you wish (obviously in hindsight) to have listened to me way back - now it seems too late to make the move back to BTC, but if not - the longer you wait, the more the disparity in performance and respective market caps will grow.

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« Reply #12024 on: June 08, 2025, 11:48:00 PM »
I won't repeat myself for now, so will drop back to say hi when BTC hits $125,000. By then, we will likely also have seen ETH fall to another ATL to BTC.
BTC hitting $125,000 is only an 18.5% gain from here. ETH, on the other hand, has 100% upside just to return to its 2021 all-time high.

Plenty of investors missed the BTC train. They'll look for the next one that moves faster — and ETH might be it.

Now consider Bitcoin’s inverted security model. Here's what the block reward decay looks like over the next 23 years:

BITCOIN BLOCK REWARDS
3.125000 BTC
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1.562500 BTC
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0.781250 BTC
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0.390625 BTC
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0.195313 BTC
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0.097656 BTC
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0.048828 BTC
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You're betting that miners can survive this collapse in rewards. But energy prices aren’t fixed — and we don’t know if BTC’s price will keep up with both halvings and inflation.