Time for recovery.

[Dr.J]

Ima have my blood work done tomorrow.  After I look at the horrible results,  I will jump on arimadex and clomid.

[Dr.J]

And 2 ius of hgh, them test again in a month.

[theworm]

I always heard not to use an ai with clomid...

Google dr scally pct protocol, it actually has science behind it

Do you know your sperm count?  Mine was almost zero on cycle, but if yours is high, prop be high on HRt doses

[BigRo]

testing right after a month on clomid may give a false value instead of an accurate indication of your test levels.

[Dr.J]

I always heard not to use an ai with clomid...

Google dr scally pct protocol, it actually has science behind it

Do you know your sperm count?  Mine was almost zero on cycle, but if yours is high, prop be high on HRt doses

I'm not gonna do a sperm count yet.

[Dr.J]

I just wanna see what 25mg of clomid,  1mg of arimadex and 2ius of hgh will make me feel like after 6 weeks and what my blood work will look like.

[Dr.J]

I always heard not to use an ai with clomid...

Google dr scally pct protocol, it actually has science behind it

Do you know your sperm count?  Mine was almost zero on cycle, but if yours is high, prop be high on HRt doses

I've read run estrogen blockers with clomid.

[theworm]

I've read run estrogen blockers with clomid.

Yes estrogen blockers not aromatase inhibitors

Why not jump on scaly pct protocol?   I've done it, 7 weeks off now, and actually feel pretty decent

[Jizmo]

wat?
clomid IS an "estrogen blocker" (lol at that wording though).
SERMS = block estrogen receptors = nolva, clomid, ralox etc
AIs= actually reduce estrogen = adex, letro, aromasin

[triggerhappy]

OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on

[ritch]

OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on

Solid first post, welcome!!!

[pestosterone]

OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on

Damn man! Good luck with the baby! Both my kids were conceived while I was on a cycle but not those dosages lol

[deadz]

OK first post here

I was on for 2.5 years perma blast. Gram of tren and 1250 test 95% of the time plus a lot of anadrol and dbol. I cruised on 750 test.

I came off at the start of the year using the following protocol

4 weeks of hcg at 1500iu eod
then after that did 60iu of hmg eod for 20 days
4 days of nothing then
clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20

Before PCT sperm count was 0 i mean nothing

6 weeks after pct sperm count was 108mill per ml

libido is only just coming back now 6 months later but is still not what it used to be.

Test levels are back in range but still feel pretty flat.

I only came off due to trying to have a baby with the wife which we are still trying for.

Aggressive PCT but it did work according to blood tests and semen tests.

I have lost a lot of size and strength but you are going to get that. I was more worried about getting fat rather than loosing muscle.

There is hope guys

Still hanging to get back on

Keep this updated if you can.

[triggerhappy]

Will keep it updated but apart from libido I'm fully recovered which has been confirmed via bloods and semen analysis. I truely believe hmg is what did it

[theworm]

Will keep it updated but apart from libido I'm fully recovered which has been confirmed via bloods and semen analysis. I truely believe hmg is what did it

What hmg did u use? How come I never heard of this for PCT???  Was  it an injectible?

[triggerhappy]

I got it from my dr. Fertilty clinics will have it. It's hcg sister drug human menopausal gonadotropin

[Davidtheman100]

clomid 150,150,100,100,70,35

Nolva 60, 60, 40, 40, 20, 10
 
(these are by weeks)

Do not use HCG as it further suppresses HTPA and should have been used ON CYCLE while you were cycling...None of Rich Piana's balonie works and rich piana is never off....Would not run an AI during this time either especially something like letro or arimidex with a rebound gyno effect...

After you've done this 6 week period, you should continue to eat and workout for another 2 months and THEN get bloodwork to see where your levels are at...If you get bloodwork too soon your levels may still be elevated from the serms

[triggerhappy]

I beg to differ. from the above. I have successfully recovered using my above protocol and have successfully got my wife pregnant. That was after some pretty bad test/tren/oral abuse and never used HCG once while i was on. Once i stopped gear i started HCG with the above.