Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing arms in U.S

[_aj_]

How much ammo did he have?

One round for each gun.

[240 is Back]

Are you really such a simpleton that you believe there's any law on earth that can regulate a sale of private merchandise between two consenting adults? You honestly think a law requiring him to go to the clerk's office and pay a transfer fee is going to be the difference between ISIS getting those guns or not? 

at least 1.4% of gun crimes in the USA are committed with loophole guns.  That's what we know ot.  They don't find serial numbers to majority of guns used in crime. 

Point is, if stopping private sales prevents ONE crime, it's worth it.  We know it stops many more. 


And why introduce "but if they're stolen and wiped..."

My point is that this dude can legally buy 5000 guns, then legally sell them to ANYONE he wants, with no receipt, no background check, no ID even needed.  That's a fact.  You can intro a bunch of details of "what IF thye're stolen and wiped, then what"...   But the bottom line is that this dude can buy 5000 guns legally and sell them to anyone he wants, without any kind of ID check.  Not good.

[_aj_]

at least 1.4% of gun crimes in the USA are committed with loophole guns.  That's what we know ot.  They don't find serial numbers to majority of guns used in crime.  

Point is, if stopping private sales prevents ONE crime, it's worth it.  We know it stops many more.  


And why introduce "but if they're stolen and wiped..."

My point is that this dude can legally buy 5000 guns, then legally sell them to ANYONE he wants, with no receipt, no background check, no ID even needed.  That's a fact.  You can intro a bunch of details of "what IF thye're stolen and wiped, then what"...   But the bottom line is that this dude can buy 5000 guns legally and sell them to anyone he wants, without any kind of ID check.  Not good.

This is untrue and annoying. It so happens that there are a lot of bad things that can happen. This is akin to saying we should ban all driving "becuse if it saves just one life"...

Source for the 1.4% stat? Never saw that before.

[calfzilla]

at least 1.4% of gun crimes in the USA are committed with loophole guns.  That's what we know ot.  They don't find serial numbers to majority of guns used in crime. 

Point is, if stopping private sales prevents ONE crime, it's worth it.  We know it stops many more. 


And why introduce "but if they're stolen and wiped..."

My point is that this dude can legally buy 5000 guns, then legally sell them to ANYONE he wants, with no receipt, no background check, no ID even needed.  That's a fact.  You can intro a bunch of details of "what IF thye're stolen and wiped, then what"...   But the bottom line is that this dude can buy 5000 guns legally and sell them to anyone he wants, without any kind of ID check.  Not good.

Slippery slope of peace.

[Nails]

Don't banks hoard money 

[SquidVicious]

at least 1.4% of gun crimes in the USA are committed with loophole guns.  That's what we know ot.  They don't find serial numbers to majority of guns used in crime. 

Point is, if stopping private sales prevents ONE crime, it's worth it.  We know it stops many more. 


And why introduce "but if they're stolen and wiped..."

My point is that this dude can legally buy 5000 guns, then legally sell them to ANYONE he wants, with no receipt, no background check, no ID even needed.  That's a fact.  You can intro a bunch of details of "what IF thye're stolen and wiped, then what"...   But the bottom line is that this dude can buy 5000 guns legally and sell them to anyone he wants, without any kind of ID check.  Not good.

You MUST be trolling because the alternative is that you're brain dead. Banning all guns would stop a lot more than one crime. Is that a good justification for banning guns? You fucking moron.

[Lustral]

Are you really such a simpleton that you believe there's any law on earth that can regulate a sale of private merchandise between two consenting adults? You honestly think a law requiring him to go to the clerk's office and pay a transfer fee is going to be the difference between ISIS getting those guns or not? 

So you could not ban slavery, say, which was the sale of merchandise and totally not an issue in the history of the USA. Or even regulate it, cos that would ruin the economy and cause the sun to stop rising in the east.

You have the odd exception like that guy in Ohio who had 3 girls chained behind a wall but that ban on transactions between 2 private parties seemed to work ok. Do not say slaves were people. They were property at the time.

[Lustral]

Thr other option is to pitch up a Somalian flag if you have that little faith that any law could be enforced or regulated.

[pellius]

Does the amount of guns a person owns a determinate of how dangerous a person is? I mean, at least for me, I can only shoot one gun at a time.

One of my firearms instructor from back in day who worked for the FBI and was a gun collector told me he owned over 500 guns. It was just his thing. Didn't make him seem more of threat or a threat at all.

[Lustral]

Does the amount of guns a person owns a determinate of how dangerous a person is? I mean, at least for me, I can only shoot one gun at a time.

One of my firearms instructor from back in day who worked for the FBI and was a gun collector told me he owned over 500 guns. It was just his thing. Didn't make him seem more of threat or a threat at all.

No but if you have 1000kg of cocaine you're more likely to sell it than someone who has 10g.

[240 is Back]

This is untrue and annoying. It so happens that there are a lot of bad things that can happen. This is akin to saying we should ban all driving "becuse if it saves just one life"...

Source for the 1.4% stat? Never saw that before.

coach posted the 1.4% stat a few days back. 

You MUST be trolling because the alternative is that you're brain dead. Banning all guns would stop a lot more than one crime. Is that a good justification for banning guns? You fucking moron.

I said NOTHING about banning all guns.  Just stopping PRIVATE sales between individuals with zero requirement of background check or ID needed.   18 of the states have banned it, but the others allow it.  I'd prefer the 2 have to pay $10 to a notary or just enter a gun shop for a background check to make sure no criminals can buy that.  Nothing that unreasonable.  It's a requirement to buy any new or used gun from a dealer.  That loophole which would make it legal for this man to sell 5000 guns to anyone he wants, WITHOUT ID, that scares me.

[chaos]

Lustforballs is the classic foreigner obsessed with America.

[Walter Sobchak]

at least 1.4% of gun crimes in the USA are committed with loophole guns.  That's what we know ot.  They don't find serial numbers to majority of guns used in crime. 

Point is, if stopping private sales prevents ONE crime, it's worth it.  We know it stops many more. 


And why introduce "but if they're stolen and wiped..."

My point is that this dude can legally buy 5000 guns, then legally sell them to ANYONE he wants, with no receipt, no background check, no ID even needed.  That's a fact.  You can intro a bunch of details of "what IF thye're stolen and wiped, then what"...   But the bottom line is that this dude can buy 5000 guns legally and sell them to anyone he wants, without any kind of ID check.  Not good.

Stop private sales if it prevents one crime?

You mean like the guns that Obama, Eric Holder, and the DOJ illegally sold to Mexican drug cartels that were proven to have been brought back into the country and used to kill U.S. Border Patrol agents?

How do you suggest we close that loophole? Send a nice gift to the widows?

[Walter Sobchak]

Lustforballs is the classic foreigner obsessed with America.

The Eurofags are being invaded by the muslim horde and their grandkids will be living under sharia law, but they seem compelled to continue to try to tell Americans how to live and defend ourselves.

[Lustral]

Lustforballs is the classic foreigner obsessed with America.

Ha, happened quicker than I thought - my point was dodged by some obscure reference or insult.

Sorry fatso but I have no obession with the USA; if you ever read any of my posts I think guns should be legal, just with some regulations. My issue is with you blindly denying some weirdo like this guy who has multiple convictions and questionable mental health having 5000 guns is not an issue.

If you say it is a one off, I can point to how easily someone dressed as batman who shoots up a cinema and is known to have mental illness can get an arsenal of guns, or someone who goes to a Colorado kids' school, or even how a terrorist could shoot up an institute to help disabled people get work in California. UK has 1/5 or so the population of USA but far stricter gun laws - tell me of all the gun massacres there since Dunblane changed gun laws.

[Lustral]

The Eurofags are being invaded by the muslim horde and their grandkids will be living under sharia law, but they seem compelled to continue to try to tell Americans how to live and defend ourselves.

No, i feel compelled to point out that the richest country on earth with a shitload of powerful weapons can produce such stupid and dogmatic fucks that you could go toe for toe with some sharia touring islamist in spewing propaganda.

[Walter Sobchak]

No, i feel compelled to point out that the richest country on earth with a shitload of powerful weapons can produce such stupid and dogmatic fucks that you could go toe for toe with some sharia touring islamist in spewing propaganda.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Really.....you are approaching Wiggs, SF1900, and Adonis levels of stupidity here.

[Lustral]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Really.....you are approaching Wiggs, SF1900, and Adonis levels of stupidity here.

How else can you explain someone comparing a person who hoards cats to someone who is mentally ill and a convict with 5000 guns like chaos did?

Let's take up the baton again. Do you see any link between this arrest, and how many guns this guy, with his past, could amass, and the number of fatal mass shootings in the USA.

[pellius]

No but if you have 1000kg of cocaine you're more likely to sell it than someone who has 10g.

What does that have to do with the topic?

[pellius]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Really.....you are approaching Wiggs, SF1900, and Adonis levels of stupidity here.

Fuk brah, you never show even an ounce of mercy.

[Lustral]

What does that have to do with the topic?

Keep avoiding the question above.

That quote was inferring the intentions of someone with 5000 guns - chances are they aren't all for that guy's personal pleasure, esp not when he is a hick living in shit. He might sell them to... the wrong people.

Oh, and Pellius, see my post history for the exact insult you just quoted walter sobchak as using when I referred to Wiggs and Chaos. You can't even quote original thoughts. At least Wiggs can quote the bible you whore's abortion.

[pellius]

Keep avoiding the question above.

That quote was inferring the intentions of someone with 5000 guns - chances are they aren't all for that guy's personal pleasure, esp not when he is a hick living in shit. He might sell them to... the wrong people.

Oh, and Pellius, see my post history for the exact insult you just quoted walter sobchak as using when I referred to Wiggs and Chaos. You can't even quote original thoughts. At least Wiggs can quote the bible you whore's abortion.

What question am I avoiding. I made the comment that the lethality of a person is not contingent on how many weapons he owns but how he uses one of those weapons.

If a guy is a law abiding citizen, like one of my gun instructors, I have no issue with his 500+ guns he owns. If the guy is a criminal or has a record of mental issue I don't want him to own even one pocket knife.

The issue to me is always the person not some inanimate object.

I made the same argument that I am not concern that Britain or the US have nuclear weapons but don't want Iran or North Korea to have one.

[240 is Back]

coach posted the 1.4% stat a few days back. 

I said NOTHING about banning all guns.  Just stopping PRIVATE sales between individuals with zero requirement of background check or ID needed.   18 of the states have banned it, but the others allow it.  I'd prefer the 2 have to pay $10 to a notary or just enter a gun shop for a background check to make sure no criminals can buy that.  Nothing that unreasonable.  It's a requirement to buy any new or used gun from a dealer.  That loophole which would make it legal for this man to sell 5000 guns to anyone he wants, WITHOUT ID, that scares me.

don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

[headhuntersix]

What question am I avoiding. I made the comment that the lethality of a person is not contingent on how many weapons he owns but how he uses one of those weapons.

If a guy is a law abiding citizen, like one of my gun instructors, I have no issue with his 500+ guns he owns. If the guy is a criminal or has a record of mental issue I don't want him to own even one pocket knife.

The issue to me is always the person not some inanimate object.

I made the same argument that I am not concern that Britain or the US have nuclear weapons but don't want Iran or North Korea to have one.

great post

[Twaddle]

don't forget, he used the "gunshow loophole" to get the guns used in the terrorist massacre attack.

he didn't want the guns "in his name", so he had a buddy buy them, and then he purchased them from his friend in a PRIVATE SALE with NO BACKGROUND CHECK OR RECORD.   

But like coach says, it's "only" 1.4% of shootings proven to use loophole guns, so no biggie, right?


seriously, guys... this terrorist was scared to have guns in his name.  Remove the legality of the private sale, and his buddy (who left the terror game and went legal because he was scared of getting caught...) maybe never sells him the guns in the first place.

Think about that.   

Who are you talking about?  What terrorist?  This thread is about a gentleman in SC with 5000 guns.