So, in a nutshell, Chino believes his present situation, renal failure, was the direct result of using AAS. His creatinine level is markedly elevated (1200) and is awaiting further work-up. His story is unfortunate, but I think we can sort out some of the info through what he posted about himself and his experiences with gear.
No I do not believe that. If you had read all of my earlier posts you would see that I do recognize the fact that EVERYTHING played a factor in this.
1. The compounds. He listed cycles that contained test prop (750/wk), deca (300/wk), dbol (25/d), tren (75 eod) and anavar (30/d). Although he doesn't list the specific cycles, he comments that he did not use these compounds all at one time. I think it is fair to say that the dosages are reasonable, and certainly in line with what many here use and recommend. What he does not state is if the AAS were pharmaceutical-grade or home-brewed.
I did state in my earlier posts that I have used Mexican gear the entire time. Including the worst of them all, Reforvit. QV, Animal Power, Brovel, Denkall
2. Risk factors. He stated that his grandfather is presently on dialysis for kidney failure. He states that he had rather wide fluctuations in weight, up to 268 lbs. He himself describes his look as "...the huge puffy type with bad calves..." (gotta love the honesty, there, actually). He lists some sides, namely "...the worst I ever had happen was some high BP and liver enzymes...". He also admits to a history of recreational drug use, including cocaine, pot and alcohol. His protein intake, I would say, is typical for the average BB, at 250-350mg protein intake per day. He describes his training style as intense. He drinks 1-1 1/2 gallons of water per day.
That is true but you're stating that I am using. I haven't touched anything like cocaine since early 2000. I also do not drink at all. I haven't for almost seven months. When I did drink after the year 2003, it was very moderate and spaced. I just smoke pot, and then again, only at the end of the day when I got my shit all done and in order.
On the flip side to this, I think we should take into account the fact that AAS, most notably deca, has been used to combat malnutrition, anemia and hypoalbuminemia in dialysis and chronic renal patients. The medical community would not likely continue this practice if it was strongly felt that AAS directly caused further kidney damage.
I did use other things including tren.
Chino, I think you have assumed that AAS directly caused your present renal crisis. You have, in effect, done what the media always does when a gear-user has health problems. For some reason we as a society want to point to these people and blame the juice. It helps other justify there non-gear existence (often while they continue to smoke, drink, liposuck and beat their wives--but that seems to be OK).
f**k you for saying that. I appreciate the way you are tying to examine my situation, but you got me fucked up. I love this fucking lifestyle. I had conformed to it entirely. I would never go and bash usage or the lifestyle or even the sport!
It can be beneficial and it can be observed, so if you know the risks and you are ready to face those risks if they ever do show up, go for it! I don't blame steroids entirely. I have stated over and over that everything from genetics to my workouts contributed. I have supervised other people's cycles and training regimine. I truly appreciate these compounds for what they can do, but I now realize the gravity of the situation and want you to also.
You clearly have listed a lifestyle that may have had much more to do with your problems than the gear alone. You have a genetic predisposition to CRF. You state you had high BP and corroborate this with your description of your "puffy look." This tells me you were a water-retaining monster. You were probably often overweight (admit it, you probably were). You used coke which further damages the heart, blood vessels and elevates BP. You had a high protein intake. Perhaps you also used megadosages of creatine. Your gear may have come from UGLs (you can speak on this), which are known to have high levels of very toxic contaminants.
I had a cut fat sort of look. I attained striations along the chest, clear seperations in my arms which were 191/2 inces at one time. I still have a clear tear drop and seperation in my quads. I did at my largest also. I was not so veiny cept for my arms and the pec-delt tie in area. I just looked like I was offseason all the time. I never had a gut, just this layer on my obliques and lower abs. I could even see intercostals. :: I told you that the last time I used coke was 2000.
. I take niacin and fish oils to keep my cholesterol down and my LDL/HDL ratios in
check...
so do I.
You gotta THINK, man. Use your fu*king head. Plan it out. Completely. Every angle...every detail...
My cycles were. Thank You.
I feel for you. Please let us know how it goes from here.
I appreciate what you've tried to make out of this man, but you're wrong about me.
