Elephant in the room: terrorists are not white and are Muslim

[mr.turbo]

here's some more comments from the DOJ - Assistant Attorney General John P. Carlin



He said he was struck by the difference in attention to two different acts of terrorism in 2011. One was the arrest of Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, a Saudi citizen and Texas resident, who was accused of plotting to build a bomb and researching potential U.S. targets, including former president George W. Bush.

Around the same time, a man with ties to a neo-Nazi group planted a pipe bomb along the route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade in Washington state, and his intent was to kill and maim, Carlin said. A parade worker spotted the bomb, and law enforcement officials defused it. Kevin William Harpham was sentenced to 32 years in prison.

But, said Carlin, who was senior counsel to then-FBI Director Robert S. Mueller, “the Aldawsari case got a lot more public attention.” It was discussed at National Security Council meetings. And prosecutors had a variety of legal tools they could use.

Although the Harpham case had Mueller’s “full attention” and “hundreds of FBI agents” and local law enforcement officers were on the case, “it didn’t get as much public attention. And you didn’t have the same tools available to you.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/10/15/how-the-justice-department-is-stepping-up-its-response-to-domestic-extremists/

 

[mr.turbo]

Since you are adamantly defending these statistics, and you claim they didn't include 9/11 as a result of the securities we put in place as a result of that incident, then you must also agree with the following assertion.  George Bush allowed only 3 jihadist murders after 9/11 and only 3 far right wing extremist murders after 9/11.  Obama's shitty terror policies allowed the other 42 jihadist murderss and the other 45 far right wing extremist murders.  I'm just going off your data with those numbers.  From 9/12/2001 until obama took office, Bush allowed only 6 of these murders as a result of the security that you claim comes as a result of 9/11, thus why they weren't included in the data.  Obama completely screwed up Bush's security and has since allowed 87 of these murders from 2009-now.  

I know you aren't so good with the math, but that seems to be around the exact same time span. 

yes those are not good numbers.  perhaps we should be doing things like bush?

 

[mr.turbo]

He's not part of the problem, you are. And if you are an American, you are a traitor

doofus

[chaos]

Incidents were a month apart, not "about the same time".

[mr.turbo]

Incidents were a month apart, not "about the same time".

The media environment doesn't typically change in a month, but like I suggested to iwantmass, if you like to do your own analysis you should look at the planned parenthood shooter and compare to the the san bernardino case. I think they were closer together. This would be a good example to show any sort of bias.

[The Wizard of Truth]

The media environment doesn't typically change in a month, but like I suggested to iwantmass, if you like to do your own analysis you should look at the planned parenthood shooter and compare to the the san bernardino case. I think they were closer together. This would be a good example to show any sort of bias.

Who cares
Nobody except Muslims wants Muslims around, hopefully the whole welfare grabbing, whingebag, dirty bearded tramps religion will be made illegal outside Islamic countries in the near future

[mr.turbo]

Who cares
Nobody except Muslims wants Muslims around, hopefully the whole welfare grabbing, whingebag, dirty bearded tramps religion will be made illegal outside Islamic countries in the near future

thank you for your input on this

[chaos]

The media environment doesn't typically change in a month, but like I suggested to iwantmass, if you like to do your own analysis you should look at the planned parenthood shooter and compare to the the san bernardino case. I think they were closer together. This would be a good example to show any sort of bias.

No idea where you're from but the planned parenthood shit was all over news as well.

[TuHolmes]

No idea where you're from but the planned parenthood shit was all over news as well.

Absolutely. It was HUGE news and was running for days.

[iwantmass]

yes those are not good numbers.  perhaps we should be doing things like bush?

 

That doesn't really address bush's stance on security versus obama, but I can see why you wouldn't provide a serious response since obama has botched the security since taking over

[chaos]

Absolutely. It was HUGE news and was running for days.

Maybe mr turdball isn't American?

[mr.turbo]

No idea where you're from but the planned parenthood shit was all over news as well.

hey look I haven't analysed it.  you're the one who's quibbling over timeframes for case studies. The point is to look at the coverage comparatively conehead.

[chaos]

hey look I haven't analysed it.  you're the one who's quibbling over timeframes for case studies. The point is to look at the coverage comparatively conehead.

And I do turdball, fact is the media decides what to plaster all over.

[drkaje]

The media knows what people want to see.

[240 is Back]

anyone who shoots up a fcking civilian target is a terrorist.

I don't care if it's a white christian shooting up an abortion clinic, an eskimo kid shoowing up a school, or an arab shooting up a hospital.  They're using violence to terrorize others.  Those getting shot aren't saying "well, at least I'm being killed due to christian anti-abortion sentiment instead of the koran"... they're equally terrified.

all this shit about "all the terrorists are muslims...", I have to disagree.  ANY race or religion that shoots people up is terrorizing them.  So much rage at brown people doing it for religion, but I don't see equal rage about the abortion clinic shot up.

[TuHolmes]

anyone who shoots up a fcking civilian target is a terrorist.

I don't care if it's a white christian shooting up an abortion clinic, an eskimo kid shoowing up a school, or an arab shooting up a hospital.  They're using violence to terrorize others.  Those getting shot aren't saying "well, at least I'm being killed due to christian anti-abortion sentiment instead of the koran"... they're equally terrified.

all this shit about "all the terrorists are muslims...", I have to disagree.  ANY race or religion that shoots people up is terrorizing them.  So much rage at brown people doing it for religion, but I don't see equal rage about the abortion clinic shot up.

While I see where you're going, I have to say that I don't necessarily agree "exactly".

Mostly because the premise of terrorism has to have some reasoning behind it so they can inflict fear on others due to some means.

Like if you walk in and commit a crime and shoot someone for money, that's not terrorism. Not in the premise we know it to be.

Now if you do it for some deep reason that's not just "money" or whatever, then yeah, you're a terrorist.

Most targets are "civilian".

[240 is Back]

social, religion or politics being the reason?   I think that is how most define terrorism. 

boil down any of those school shootings, it's social.
religion is most attacks.  politics weighs in.

[TuHolmes]

Was Columbine terrorism?

I say it wasn't.

[iwantmass]

I personally think most white supremacist are pussies and pose no threat.  The kkk is done.  Neo nazi are a joke.  Every once and a while, we like to post pics of feces swatstikas at black dormitories, but to be truthful, most of those guys are pussificied pieces of shit.  Most of them would never confront a black person in public, let alone assault 1.

We can try and push a narrative towards white supremacist being a big problem, but they aren't

Mr turbo presents his skewed data and ignores every piece of.evidence to the contrary.  Are most muslims a problem? No.  Is the major terrorism threat in this country muslim?  Yes

[SquidVicious]

Muslims actively preach their support for violence and terrorism in mosques in the US and abroad. They are indoctrinating an entire generation with hate for all non-muslims. You cannot doubt this as there is ample video of their training camps for kids and teenagers being groomed to become the next generation of suicide bombers and terrorists. The worst the White Supremacists do is prepare for the never-existent race war by stockpiling guns and building their bomb/zombie shelters. It's not even close to the same. But as someone touched on, the real problem is the media trying to sell clicks and ads through divisiveness, race baiting, terrorism scares and anything else they can do to make money ever since their newspapers died out.

[mr.turbo]

not a big problem:  

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/09/look/
http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2011/07/wfaa-firebomb-tossed-toward-planned-parenthood-office/
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/sep/04/police-investigation-suspicious-fire-planned-paren/
http://www.startribune.com/man-charged-with-driving-into-planned-parenthood-facility/38230064/?elr=KArksi8cyaiUjc7YUiD3aPc%3A_Yyc%3AaUU&refer=y
http://www.austindailyherald.com/2012/09/sam-johnson-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/20/inside-the-georgia-militia-murders.html
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/sikh-temple-killer-wade-michael-page-radicalized-army
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Alleged-gunman-says-he-wanted-a-revolution-3180744.php
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/12/01/police-austin-shooter-belonged-to-an-ultra-conservative-christian-hate-group/
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130411/NEWS02/304110029/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/prosecutors-to-seek-death-penalty-for-dylann-roof-in-charleston-shootings.html

[chaos]

not a big problem:  

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/09/look/
http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2011/07/wfaa-firebomb-tossed-toward-planned-parenthood-office/
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/sep/04/police-investigation-suspicious-fire-planned-paren/
http://www.startribune.com/man-charged-with-driving-into-planned-parenthood-facility/38230064/?elr=KArksi8cyaiUjc7YUiD3aPc%3A_Yyc%3AaUU&refer=y
http://www.austindailyherald.com/2012/09/sam-johnson-sentenced-to-15-years-in-prison/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/20/inside-the-georgia-militia-murders.html
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/sikh-temple-killer-wade-michael-page-radicalized-army
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Alleged-gunman-says-he-wanted-a-revolution-3180744.php
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/12/01/police-austin-shooter-belonged-to-an-ultra-conservative-christian-hate-group/
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130411/NEWS02/304110029/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/prosecutors-to-seek-death-penalty-for-dylann-roof-in-charleston-shootings.html

Not a big problem

http://cchs.gwu.edu/isis-in-america

[mr.turbo]

Not a big problem

http://cchs.gwu.edu/isis-in-america

from your report:

Defying any cookie-cutter profile of the American ISIS supporter, these 71 individuals constitute an incredibly heterogeneous group. In fact, they come from an array of ethnic groups and a range of socio-economic and educational statuses. What follows is one of the largest online collections of legal records related to ISIS radicalization and recruitment in the United States.

half the folks on the list look like this fyi (after scanning the first 10 or so):






 

 

[chaos]

from your report:

Defying any cookie-cutter profile of the American ISIS supporter, these 71 individuals constitute an incredibly heterogeneous group. In fact, they come from an array of ethnic groups and a range of socio-economic and educational statuses. What follows is one of the largest online collections of legal records related to ISIS radicalization and recruitment in the United States.

half the folks on the list look like this fyi:





 

And then?
What do they all have in common?

[mr.turbo]

And then?
What do they all have in common?

european ancestry?