Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[Kazan]

* They broke into the building.   huge deal there.  It was a closed facility and they breached a locked door.


I have to wonder how anyone here saying "it's their land, their taxes paid for it" have made it to adulthood.  Do they feel entitled to break into closed govt buildings because "my taxes paid for it!!" ?

imagine having to drop a deuce, it's sunday, the post office is closed but you really gotta go now... so just kick down the door and use the potty.  You paid taxes for that door, screw it.

Again you come out of left field with some stupid BS, is having to take a shit petitioning the government for a redress of grievances? Why don't you go work on your trigger discipline you goofy son of a bitch.

[TuHolmes]

and would they feel the same no matter who did it?  is it just as ok for a non-white american to break into a federal building as a white american?

is it just as ok for a non-white person to "stand your ground" as a white person?

Why wouldn't they?

Citizenship sees no color.

[timfogarty]

LOL, another violation of the constitution, where does it say that arms cannot be carried in federal buildings?

the constitution says congress can make laws.  congress made a law

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 930
18 U.S. Code § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

[Kazan]

the constitution says congress can make laws.  congress made a law

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 930
18 U.S. Code § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

Congress cannot make laws that are direct violation of the bill of rights. Shit is congress can just pass a law that is a direct violation of the constitution, then what is the point of having a constitution?

[Las Vegas]

the history of the civil rights movement in this country says otherwise.  look how much progress we've made in the last 60 years.  it would not have happened as quickly without peaceful civil disobedience.

but marching and occupying buildings while carrying signs is very different optics than occupying buildings while carrying assault weapons.

Are you saying it makes more sense to obstruct and hurt regular, mostly good, innocent people, than to directly confront law-makers etc?  If that's what you mean, then what's the reasoning behind it?

[andreisdaman]

Well, it's a start. Need to shoot them some negros next.

you mean like how the British used to shoot the Irish?...

[timfogarty]

Congress cannot make laws that are direct violation of the bill of rights

you can keep and bear arms, within limits that seem to change over time. Bazookas, grenade launchers and air to air missiles are not allowed at this time.  but that doesn't mean you can go where ever you want while bearing them (airplanes, federal buildings)

[Kazan]

you can keep and bear arms, within limits that seem to change over time. Bazookas, grenade launchers and air to air missiles are not allowed at this time.  but that doesn't mean you can go where ever you want while bearing them (airplanes, federal buildings)

Why? More common sense laws from .gov? All this does is ensure, should there be a revolt because the populace finally got tired of .gov's bullshit, they would be completely out gunned.

[timfogarty]

Are you saying it makes more sense to obstruct and hurt regular, mostly good, innocent people, than to directly confront law-makers etc?  If that's what you mean, then what's the reasoning behind it?

inconveniencing for a few hours or even a day or two, is not hurting.  directly confronting law-makers doesn't seem to work when law-makers see you as less than human.

[TuHolmes]

inconveniencing for a few hours or even a day or two, is not hurting.  directly confronting law-makers doesn't seem to work when law-makers see you as less than human.

It does hurt hourly employees who can't get to work.

Someone making 10 bucks an hour feels a lot of pain when 2/5 of their pay is gone. (2 days of work during a work week)

[timfogarty]

Why? More common sense laws from .gov?

OK.  Go do some civil disobedience to make your point.  Try to bring a weapon onto a commercial airplane, get arrested, serve your time, and say it was all to show the injustice of the law.  You'll be seen as a martyr to some.

[Kazan]

OK.  Go do some civil disobedience to make your point.  Try to bring a weapon onto a commercial airplane, get arrested, serve your time, and say it was all to show the injustice of the law.  You'll be seen as a martyr to some.

First of all I have no reason to bring a gun on an airplane or a federal building. But that is not the point, allowing .gov to arbitrarily make laws that infringe upon your natural rights is fucking stupid. So that begs the question, why can .gov get away with it? They just keep passing laws, then you need someone to challenge them, then it gets tied up in the courts for years. A wonderful strategy for .gov.

[Kazan]

inconveniencing for a few hours or even a day or two, is not hurting.  directly confronting law-makers doesn't seem to work when law-makers see you as less than human.

Hmmmmm, .gov see's you as less than human, but somehow the same bunch of sociopaths keep getting elected year after year.

[SF1900]

inconveniencing for a few hours or even a day or two, is not hurting.  directly confronting law-makers doesn't seem to work when law-makers see you as less than human.

How do you know? Who made you judge and jury? How do you know a few hours is not inconveniencing someone? What if that person has to get to an emergency meeting at his or her job? Stop being a self-righteous moron, and think about other people.

[Kazan]

How do you know? Who made you judge and jury? How do you know a few hours is not inconveniencing someone? What if that person has to get to an emergency meeting at his or her job? Stop being a self-righteous moron, and think about other people.

He already said why a couple posts up, .gov doesn't pay attention, so fuck with everyone else's lively hood to get your point across. I guess the logic being is piss enough people off, they will push .gov to just give them what they want, so they can get on with their lives.

[Pray_4_War]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Define "Keep": 1. have or retain possession of.

Define "Bear": 1. (of a person) carry.

To recap, the 2nd amendment says...that we have a God given right to keep and carry firearms.  It doesn't say...the government allows you to own the firearms that they approve of as long as the magazine only holds X amount of bullets, and it's locked in a safe to protect the kiddies, and as long as it's not semi or fully automatic, and as long as you have a license, and as as long as you register them with the government so they know what you have, and as long as bad guys don't start shooting up schools, etc.

Other relevant definitions...

"Infringe": 1. to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

"Encroach": 1.  to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another

[SF1900]

He already said why a couple posts up, .gov doesn't pay attention, so fuck with everyone else's lively hood to get your point across. I guess the logic being is piss enough people off, they will push .gov to just give them what they want, so they can get on with their lives.

Talk about being a self-righteous prick. He only cares about his own agenda. Does not care about anyone else. So, the government doesn't care, so he will potentially mess with other peoples livelihood. Moron.

[timfogarty]

Hmmmmm, .gov see's you as less than human, but somehow the same bunch of sociopaths keep getting elected year after year.

yes, we live in an oligarchy.  Citizens United made it worse.  Until we get campaign finance reform, little will change.  The NRA is gun manufacturer trade group, not a club for gun enthusiasts.  The majority of Americans don't want to take away your guns, but do want some basic gun regulations.  The power of the NRA prevents that from even being discussed.

[timfogarty]

Talk about being a self-righteous prick. He only cares about his own agenda. Does not care about anyone else. So, the government doesn't care, so he will potentially mess with other peoples livelihood. Moron.

You're basically saying the entire civil rights movement was immoral because someone might have lost a days salary.

[Kazan]

yes, we live in an oligarchy.  Citizens United made it worse.  Until we get campaign finance reform, little will change.  The NRA is gun manufacturer trade group, not a club for gun enthusiasts.  The majority of Americans don't want to take away your guns, but do want some basic gun regulations.  The power of the NRA prevents that from even being discussed.

See above post about the 2nd amendment, if you want to erode one Amendment whats to stop .gov from doing the same to the other 26? And campaign finance reform is not relevant, it is our responsibility as US citizens to elect our representatives, so we get the government we deserve. 

[240 is Back]

LOL, another violation of the constitution, where does it say that arms cannot be carried in federal buildings?

rawstory.com has a reporter on the ground taking pics.  check it out.

militia has seized the land and building.  They have supplies and one claimed "I didn't come here to shoot, I came here to die".

They've blocked entrances with trucks, and have men armed with AR15s guarding the property.  They plan to stay years.  They've "reclaimed the lands".

They call themselves the Bundy Militia.  They have name, badges, rank.  "Captain Moroni", wearing military gear and name badge, came out to explain to reporters.  

The FBI is in charge, since this is federal property.    This militia has food, fuel, and lots of rifles.  They've taken over federal property.


UM UM UM... at some point, this is treason.  It's an armed uprising, seizing govt property and threatening to "not shoot, but kill".   If these aren't terrorists, I dont know what the fck is.

IMAGINE dozens of muslims with rifles and supplies giving the finger to the US govt and taking over a govt building, promising bloodshed and saying they'll stay for years.   LOL they'd be wasted already.

[240 is Back]

Why? More common sense laws from .gov? All this does is ensure, should there be a revolt because the populace finally got tired of .gov's bullshit, they would be completely out gunned.

kazan, please go to rawstory.com and read the tweets and see photos/interviews from the people on the ground.

I bet you'll stop defending these guys.  This isn't a protest.  They threatened to kill.  This isn't a sit-in... they blocked the roads in.  They promised to stay for years, and they have supplies for the winter.  And there are AR15s everywhere.

At some point, I think you'll quietly realize this isn't just a couple of good ol' boys enjoying a public park on a closed day

[mr.turbo]

whitey, ready to die for his cause because god told him to, takes over a government building while armed.

not terrorism

 

[SF1900]

You're basically saying the entire civil rights movement was immoral because someone might have lost a days salary.

Again, your right to protest ends once it interferes with my ability to function in society.

Thus, its a stupid comparison and totally missing the point. Damn, you're dumb.

[Kazan]

rawstory.com has a reporter on the ground taking pics.  check it out.

militia has seized the land and building.  They have supplies and one claimed "I didn't come here to shoot, I came here to die".

They've blocked entrances with trucks, and have men armed with AR15s guarding the property.  They plan to stay years.  They've "reclaimed the lands".

They call themselves the Bundy Militia.  They have name, badges, rank.  "Captain Moroni", wearing military gear and name badge, came out to explain to reporters.  

The FBI is in charge, since this is federal property.    This militia has food, fuel, and lots of rifles.  They've taken over federal property.


UM UM UM... at some point, this is treason.  It's an armed uprising, seizing govt property and threatening to "not shoot, but kill".   If these aren't terrorists, I dont know what the fck is.

IMAGINE dozens of muslims with rifles and supplies giving the finger to the US govt and taking over a govt building, promising bloodshed and saying they'll stay for years.   LOL they'd be wasted already.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.