Re: having kids....

[Primemuscle]

He died on a cross for our fucking sins.  You should some God damn respect you bastards!!!

Oh, and donate about 3% of your income to the church.  They need to spread the word.

If people were taught religion starting at 18, the vast majority would walk out laughing.  A child's mind is quite easy to mold.  If nobody told you Santa didn't exist, you'd still believe that one.

Don't you dare say that Santa doesn't exist. Your breaking my heart.

[OB1]

He died on a cross for our fucking sins.  You should some God damn respect you bastards!!!

That's what the highly questionable church is telling us.
+Meltdown.

[Parker]

Predictable. We go from "having kids" to "God".
This God character must be really powerful own all these narcisstic bodybuilding minds.
Maybe if he became an IFBB judge he really turn some things around.

[Raymondo]

Predictable. We go from "having kids" to "God".

Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.

[Raymondo]

Personal attacks need to stop.

[Parker]

Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.

You are quite right. My apologies.

[SF1900]

Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.

He cannot help himself. Diarrhea of the mouth.

[AbrahamG]

Newsflash Prime - this is getbig and that last "all anal" suggestion was an obvious JOKE.
Not all posts on getbig are serious or factual.

Hope this helps

You have to understand that when Prime see's the word "anal", he gets wet around the rim and all his senses become blurred.

[Raymondo]

He cannot help himself. Diarrhea of the mouth.

There is no point in attacking fundamendalists. You only validate their worldview, which teaches them that they are superior and inscrutable and the world envies, misunderstands and wants to destroy them.

[cephissus]

Not to mention the complete confusion for the child of why they can't go.

I guess they could get used to it.  But I don't get the big deal of just going.

If you believe strong enough in anything, it doesn't make sense to not want to share that with your kids.  Anyway, once they get older, they'll make their own decisions.

1.  Absolutely, utterly trivial in comparison to the confusion that may permeate their entire childhood as they attempt to reconcile their own observations with what they learned in Church.
2.  After having spent their entire childhood developing under the influence of religious doctrine.

Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread for a while, but I feel compelled to give my own opinion, because, like many others, I was a Christian from childhood through my early adult life.

Ultimately, I learned science and religion aren't fundamentally different.  The dead and dusty religions of yesterday are simply old sciences, long since discarded by stronger-minded people as newer religions have come into existence.  The latest mass-religion is simply called "science" by most people.

At this point in history, indoctrinating a child with Christian belief is cruel.  You're knowingly outfitting your child with weak beliefs and throwing them to the wolves.  Once they've had enough, MOS' children, or his children's children, will inevitably lose their faith, and it won't be a pretty sight.  If he's lucky, he won't live to see it.  If he's unlucky, they'll confront him.  If he's really unlucky, they'll just leave him without a word.

[SF1900]

There is no point in attacking fundamendalists. You only validate their worldview, which teaches them that they are superior and inscrutable and the world envies, misunderstands and wants to destroy them.

You know MOS goes to his church on Sunday and tells all his church friends how he "owned" atheists online. That all us atheists crumbled and lost the debate, and he spread the Christian word in triumph. That we all succumbed to him, and the Lord's presence. I bet that is how he actually views all of this. 

[Man of Steel]

So you're basically twisting the faith as you see it suits you. It's either Bible to the T, or it is twisting by personal needs.
What is faith without religion and clear guidelines "how to believe"? Exactly - it is nothing. or is that about simply believing that SOMETHING exists? What's the point? (you weren't able to aswer this the last time).

MOS, ffs, you are defending this just because you know that if not being drunk on religion - you'd go right back to simply being drunk. We get it - it helps you to get through life, which was obviously too difficult to deal for you, but you should understand that there are actually strong people out there who doesn't need to get drunk to feel good, they are succesfully navigating in this survival game and are perfectly happy without imaginary friends, no need to preach "god" for them. I shit on your god, even if it's real - I double shit on him, I dont need no help from a sadistic and brutally merciless creature, he may very well go fuck himself while watching all the blood rivers that are flowing on this insignificant piece of space dust.

I don't even read your posts anymore.

[Man of Steel]

I make no mention about my discussions on this board with anyone with the occassional exception of my wife.

[Raymondo]

I don't even read your posts anymore.

I read that one and wish I hadn't, the poor thing tries so hard.

[Man of Steel]

Please read the first page to see who and how injected God into the thread.

Atheists introduced God into the original thread by mocking my posts about children.  I made no mention of God and "LOL'd" the God-hate mockery and left it alone.  When I finally noted my position and included a statement about God it was at that exact post that the thread was split into this one.  I had no control over it, but I'm blamed for it.  LOL, whatever.

Read it for yourself:  Radical Plato and da_vinci randomly begin mockery of me and my faith, El Diablo Blanco asks me a question about God (I give a yes answer only), you follow up with more mockery of my yes response, SF1900 follows you with more mockery about my faith and God (this is page 6 of 9) and then Radical Plato and SF divert the thread for three more pages about child abuse and what not (pages 7 to 9).  I return a day later and make one post including my faith and the thread is instantly split:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=596467.msg8378615#msg8378615
 

[Man of Steel]

I read that one and wish I hadn't, the poor thing tries so hard.

What do you mean by this?

[Raymondo]

Atheists introduced God into the original thread by mocking my posts about children.  I made no mention of God and "LOL'd" the God-hate mockery and left it alone.  When I finally noted my position and included a statement about God it was at that exact post that the thread was split into this one.  I had no control over it, but I'm blamed for it.  LOL, whatever.

It is true you were attacked immediately after posting a non-religious message in reply to the original thread. The post on this thread, however, stands on its own. It does not read as a reply to anything.

[Man of Steel]

It is true you were attacked immediately after posting a non-religious message in reply to the original thread. The post on this thread, however, stands on its own. It does not read as a reply to anything.

So why was I blamed when y'all know this?  Why wasn't the thread split at page 7-9 when Plato and SF diverted the topic to child abuse?

[Man of Steel]

1.  Absolutely, utterly trivial in comparison to the confusion that may permeate their entire childhood as they attempt to reconcile their own observations with what they learned in Church.
2.  After having spent their entire childhood developing under the influence of religious doctrine.

Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread for a while, but I feel compelled to give my own opinion, because, like many others, I was a Christian from childhood through my early adult life.

Ultimately, I learned science and religion aren't fundamentally different.  The dead and dusty religions of yesterday are simply old sciences, long since discarded by stronger-minded people as newer religions have come into existence.  The latest mass-religion is simply called "science" by most people.

At this point in history, indoctrinating a child with Christian belief is cruel.  You're knowingly outfitting your child with weak beliefs and throwing them to the wolves.  Once they've had enough, MOS' children, or his children's children, will inevitably lose their faith, and it won't be a pretty sight.  If he's lucky, he won't live to see it.  If he's unlucky, they'll confront him.  If he's really unlucky, they'll just leave him without a word.

Man up and speak to me directly if you have something to say about my family.  You know what....that's alright...y'all say whatever you want.  Y'all make this up as you go anyhow.

[Raymondo]

So why was I blamed when y'all know this?  Why wasn't the thread split at page 7-9 when Plato and SF diverted the topic to child abuse?

Sorry if I blamed you, call it a misunderstanding.

I didn't bother with the original thread at all, until you started with the God stuff.

[Grape Ape]

1.  Absolutely, utterly trivial in comparison to the confusion that may permeate their entire childhood as they attempt to reconcile their own observations with what they learned in Church.
2.  After having spent their entire childhood developing under the influence of religious doctrine.

Anyway, I've stayed out of this thread for a while, but I feel compelled to give my own opinion, because, like many others, I was a Christian from childhood through my early adult life.

Ultimately, I learned science and religion aren't fundamentally different.  The dead and dusty religions of yesterday are simply old sciences, long since discarded by stronger-minded people as newer religions have come into existence.  The latest mass-religion is simply called "science" by most people.

At this point in history, indoctrinating a child with Christian belief is cruel.  You're knowingly outfitting your child with weak beliefs and throwing them to the wolves.  Once they've had enough, MOS' children, or his children's children, will inevitably lose their faith, and it won't be a pretty sight.  If he's lucky, he won't live to see it.  If he's unlucky, they'll confront him.  If he's really unlucky, they'll just leave him without a word.

I think many ignore that there are different levels of involvement in these things, and always take it from the view of the ultra strict, all consuming Catholic lifestyle.   Many people practice different forms of religion, and some just go to church and takeaway decent life lessons, a sense of community, etc....Many people are also well adjusted enough that when they get older they can balance what they've been taught vs what they think and formulate their own opinions.

You're viewing it through your own lens of personal experience.  Which is fine.   You're a good dude, but you're also the type of person who could worry themselves into a coma if they felt they added too many radishes to their salad.  So, I'm not sure you're the best measure to use as a baseline.

[Man of Steel]

Sorry if I blamed you, call it a misunderstanding.

I didn't bother with this thread at all, until you started with the God stuff.

I appreciate that...all good.  Yes, introducing God always gets people going.

[Man of Steel]

I think many ignore that there are different levels of involvement in these things, and always take it from the view of the ultra strict, all consuming Catholic lifestyle.   Many people practice different forms of religion, and some just go to church and takeaway decent life lessons, a sense of community, etc....Many people are also well adjusted enough that when they get older they can balance what they've been taught vs what they think and formulate their own opinions.

You're viewing it through your own lens of personal experience.  Which is fine.   You're a good dude, but you're also the type of person who could worry themselves into a coma if they felt they added too many radishes to their salad.  So, I'm not sure you're the best measure to use as a baseline.

Most folks only associate God and church with the corruption of the Catholic church, the antics of Westboro Baptist church, the documentary on the little kids at the strange bible camp and Bill Maher's Religulous.

[cephissus]

Man up and speak to me directly if you have something to say about my family.  You know what....that's alright...y'all say whatever you want.  Y'all make this up as you go anyhow.

What have I made up?

My parents were a lot like you.  In the "Christian worldview", as you like to say, we were a picture-perfect family.

It won't last.  Your descendants will end up as godless as those you bicker with on this forum.

[Yamcha]

What have I made up?

My parents were a lot like you.  In the "Christian worldview", as you like to say, we were a picture-perfect family.

It won't last.  Your descendants will end up as godless as those you bicker with on this forum.

will they have eating disorders as well?