Legit var I've seen people who were not on it then take it and yes that is the best thing ever. Beats tren as far as results I've seen some people get man. Even a powerlifter friend of mine took some and it made him look awesome despite his shitty shitty shit storm of a diet that includes beer PwO and weekends full of cociane and strip clubs jack daniels etc... he took some.good var some dudes got a hold of around here and I was pissed off I didn't get any. Because it made them look great with zero effort.