President of NAACP...

[Walter Sobchak]

Apparently you can't say Ghetto either.  So basically is the word "black" even allowed?   Didn't Sarah Palin just call the protestor at the Trump rally a Punk ass Thug?
Also isn't the NAACP leader some whitey pretending to be black?

That was white Rachel Dolezal who I think was the leader of the Seattle (?) NAACP.

She should be posing nude soon for money and blaming her white parents for it.

[mr.turbo]

I don't know anything about Democrats cultivating racist black supporters, nor did I suggest that.  That's why I brought up your lack of critical thinking skills.  A racist voter will vote for whoever most supports their ideology/view points.   A bunch of rednecks with a disdain for everything not white are likely to vote for trump, given what he is selling.

At the same time, when Obama was running for election....and there was a record number of black participation....and organizations like the new black Panthers  (a known racist organization that is well more dangerous than the Kkk by miles at this current time), I'm gonna assume that whatever racist blacks existed in this country voted for obama.  I doubt they voted for the white guy.....because of the racist thing.  Before your simple brain assumes I'm calling all blacks racist, I'm not. I'm strictly talking about the blacks that are racist, which is by no means a small number.

Is Obama to be faulted for that or should he have to condemn these groups? Absolutely not. Nor should trump

So, that was the long version. Here is the short version.  In an election that featured a black guy, and a record number of black participation, and most all black voters of this record crowd voted for the black guy; I'm going to assume those blacks that are racist were part of that voter base.  I doubt they were the scarce few that voted white....once again, because they are racist.

Stop trying to act intelligent and acting as if you have to choose this debate because you are above most other viewpoints.  You are mentally slow and a race baiter. And most of your arguments, such as claiming I think racism doesn't exist, only occur in your own racist black rational and have no factual basis.  

You should stick to your trolling. It hides your stupidity a bit

the truth is the GOP has been cultivating it's crazy base for years, now that the whole racist thing is obvious it's panic time. It's the "I told you so" moment. That's why you can't compare Obama to Trump because the dems don't have a racist base. It's not some sort of coincidental thing with demographics. I do appreciate the effort to twist that into a rational argument. Sorry but it didn't go too well. I also find the remarks about the kkk amusing. keep it coming. We have already reviewed the expert security reports on that. lol!

I'm open to this argument that blacks (such as obama supporters) are the real racist problem, or that they are at least just as bad. You haven't provided empirical support for this claim. I've done my homework on the white supremacist stuff however.

As for trump i don't think he's really racist but he provides a focus for what was previously a disparate and fragmented set of extremists. This is potentially a serious problem. I would expect the experts will agree.

[iwantmass]

the truth is the GOP has been cultivating it's crazy base for years, now that the whole racist thing is obvious it's panic time. It's the "I told you so" moment. That's why you can't compare Obama to Trump because the dems don't have a racist base. It's not some sort of coincidental thing with demographics. I do appreciate the effort to twist that into a rational argument. Sorry but it didn't go too well. I also find the remarks about the kkk amusing. keep it coming. We have already reviewed the expert security reports on that. lol!

I'm open to this argument that blacks (such as obama supporters) are the real racist problem, or that they are at least just as bad. You haven't provided empirical support for this claim. I've done my homework on the white supremacist stuff however.

As for trump i don't think he's really racist but he provides a focus for what was previously a disparate and fragmented set of extremists. This is potentially a serious problem. I would expect the experts will agree.

The left claims sexist, racist, homophobic, etc at every turn.  They are gaining voters by doing so.  You haven't pointed out 1 way that Republicans are cultivating a racist voter base.

I don't know why you find the Kkk point amsuing.  Only a fool or liar considers them a dangerous organization at this time.  When is the last time the Kkk has aggressively done anything?  They just got beat up at 1 of their own rallies.   The new black panthers, on the other jand, protest while armed to the teeth, have multiple cases of voter intimidation and are as racist as the kkk.  You just don't mind that, because they are black

As far as your expert security report, several other posters and myself already made you look like an idiot on that, you just conveniently ignored it.

I don't have any concerns with providing you with the potential for racism in the black population.  If you deny some/many blacks are racist, then you are in denial or possibly racist yourself.  Black on white hate crimes occur all the time, they just aren't covered as.such because it doesn't create ratings.

You've done zero honest homework on white supremacist.  Otherwise you would find organizations like the kkk laughable at this day and age.  They aren't exactly lighting house on fire and stringing people up from trees anymore.  Since you are passionate about researching racism, look into all the black on white crimes and rhetoric.  Plenty to see

Trump wanting a wall and stating that we should put a halt on Muslims coming in doesn't qualify as racist.  It qualifies as his view as a problem, although an unrealistic solution.

[Yamcha]

[drkaje]

@ iwantmass,

Wasn't there a story released recently about KKK Cops in Alabama specifically targeting blacks?

[mr.turbo]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/florida-kkk-corrections-murder-plot/

[mr.turbo]

The left claims sexist, racist, homophobic, etc at every turn.  They are gaining voters by doing so.  You haven't pointed out 1 way that Republicans are cultivating a racist voter base.

I don't know why you find the Kkk point amsuing.  Only a fool or liar considers them a dangerous organization at this time.  When is the last time the Kkk has aggressively done anything?  They just got beat up at 1 of their own rallies.   The new black panthers, on the other jand, protest while armed to the teeth, have multiple cases of voter intimidation and are as racist as the kkk.  You just don't mind that, because they are black

As far as your expert security report, several other posters and myself already made you look like an idiot on that, you just conveniently ignored it.

I don't have any concerns with providing you with the potential for racism in the black population.  If you deny some/many blacks are racist, then you are in denial or possibly racist yourself.  Black on white hate crimes occur all the time, they just aren't covered as.such because it doesn't create ratings.

You've done zero honest homework on white supremacist.  Otherwise you would find organizations like the kkk laughable at this day and age.  They aren't exactly lighting house on fire and stringing people up from trees anymore.  Since you are passionate about researching racism, look into all the black on white crimes and rhetoric.  Plenty to see

Trump wanting a wall and stating that we should put a halt on Muslims coming in doesn't qualify as racist.  It qualifies as his view as a problem, although an unrealistic solution.

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

[mr.turbo]

The left claims sexist, racist, homophobic, etc at every turn.  They are gaining voters by doing so.  You haven't pointed out 1 way that Republicans are cultivating a racist voter base.

I don't know why you find the Kkk point amsuing.  Only a fool or liar considers them a dangerous organization at this time.  When is the last time the Kkk has aggressively done anything?  They just got beat up at 1 of their own rallies.   The new black panthers, on the other jand, protest while armed to the teeth, have multiple cases of voter intimidation and are as racist as the kkk.  You just don't mind that, because they are black

As far as your expert security report, several other posters and myself already made you look like an idiot on that, you just conveniently ignored it.

I don't have any concerns with providing you with the potential for racism in the black population.  If you deny some/many blacks are racist, then you are in denial or possibly racist yourself.  Black on white hate crimes occur all the time, they just aren't covered as.such because it doesn't create ratings.

You've done zero honest homework on white supremacist.  Otherwise you would find organizations like the kkk laughable at this day and age.  They aren't exactly lighting house on fire and stringing people up from trees anymore.  Since you are passionate about researching racism, look into all the black on white crimes and rhetoric.  Plenty to see

Trump wanting a wall and stating that we should put a halt on Muslims coming in doesn't qualify as racist.  It qualifies as his view as a problem, although an unrealistic solution.

I have all the data at my fingertips.  Feel free to peruse the SPLC map there and analyse to your hearts content. I expect you'll find some fundamental flaw with their methodology since the data undermines all of your claims.  Enjoy.

here's Obama on the topic.

[iwantmass]

@ iwantmass,

Wasn't there a story released recently about KKK Cops in Alabama specifically targeting blacks?

There was such a story.....released on facebook to stoke racial tensions amongst blacks.  It was proven to be pure bullshit, but it was good enough for people that get their news from social media.  Im not even gonna bother providing a link for you.  Best I will do is cite the county, dothan.

[iwantmass]

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

This splc.  Yeah, no thanks...

http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2015/12/splc_deletes_tweet_promoting_a.html

They are people just like you, that lie and distort the truth just like you tried last time we called you out on this with your data on white supremacist vs Muslim terror attacks.  

How about an explanation of how the splc defines hate groups

http://www.splcreport.com/

Under that definition, the black Lives Matter movement is the largest most active hate group on the planet. 

In the future, you should quote groups that aren't known for corruption and false accusations

[SuperTed]

The KKK have been totally infiltrated by the government so have become more or less redundant as a dangerous organization. The bigger threat comes from individuals who may have no direct connection with them, but are influenced by their beliefs - individuals such as Dylann Roof.

[iwantmass]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/florida-kkk-corrections-murder-plot/

You kinda proved my point.  You linked an isolated case of 3 guys that got caught.  The kkk is a weak former shade of itself. You will.find anomalies.

Do you want me to link multiple links of new black Panthers encouraging the murders of all whites, race wars, etc? I guarantee I can provide more than 1.  

I can provide all the racist black agitators jumping the gun against whites in cases like Mike Brown , just for an excuse to hate whites without knowing the facts.  I can provide evidence of racist blacks intimidating good upstanding blacks that wanted to come forward and tell the truth in the Mike Brown case

Then again, you don't care about the multiple incidents of blacks attacking/murdering whites for nothing more than their color.   You actually insist it doesn't exist.  

The difference is, whereas you have to provide a needle in the haystack, I can provide many instances Of black racists threatening/committing violence against whites.  The whole black Lives moment matter was founded and continues on hatred for whites

You know what? I don't fault Obama for those guys supporting him, though.

[iwantmass]

I have all the data at my fingertips.  Feel free to peruse the SPLC map there and analyse to your hearts content. I expect you'll find some fundamental flaw with their methodology since the data undermines all of your claims.  Enjoy.

here's Obama on the topic.

Is that the same Obama that has made an ass out of himself over false claims of racism most notably in the Harvard professor case, Mike Brown case, and trayvon Martin case; all without knowing the facts.  The same Obama that attended Jeremiah wright's racist church for most of his adult life, until their racist ideology became known to the national media?

Yeah....I'm not gonna take his word at face value when it comes to racial matters.  He has a history of false claims of racism.

[mr.turbo]

Is that the same Obama that has made an ass out of himself over false claims of racism most notably in the Harvard professor case, Mike Brown case, and trayvon Martin case; all without knowing the facts.  The same Obama that attended Jeremiah wright's racist church for most of his adult life, until their racist ideology became known to the national media?

Yeah....I'm not gonna take his word at face value when it comes to racial matters.  He has a history of false claims of racism.

ok so we have here a link to a report by a "hate group" and another one showing SPLC retracting suspect information.  Once again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this does not help your argument. Citing a hate group listed by SPLC is not a credible source. I hope you understand my amusement on this now.

I'm not holding my breath that you'll provide any support for your "novel" claims. ie. of this nefarious racist black menace. Apparently there's a bunch of dangerous black racists supporting Obama. The black panthers are out causing trouble etc. Please do show us this information, looking forward to seeing that. You can't use michael brown because the DOJ went in and shut the whole town down for civil rights abuses. Again we need better examples.

Look, like Obama said, this is the time for a bit of self-reflection and to really consider weather you want to go off the deep end with the rest of the crazies.  Trust me, there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. I'm not the only one saying this. Half the republicans agree (at least). You seem to be fairly sensible but there's something clearly amiss.  Perhaps you're excluding information that makes you come to uncomfortable conclusions? This will lead to disaster, look at the mess with the GOP at the moment for proof.  

[iwantmass]

ok so we have here a link to a report by a "hate group" and another one showing SPLC retracting suspect information.  Once again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but this does not help your argument. Citing a hate group listed by SPLC is not a credible source. I hope you understand my amusement on this now.

I'm not holding my breath that you'll provide any support for your "novel" claims. ie. of this nefarious racist black menace. Apparently there's a bunch of dangerous black racists supporting Obama. The black panthers are out causing trouble etc. Please do show us this information, looking forward to seeing that. You can't use michael brown because the DOJ went in and shut the whole town down for civil rights abuses. Again we need better examples.

Look, like Obama said, this is the time for a bit of self-reflection and to really consider weather you want to go off the deep end with the rest of the crazies.  Trust me, there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. I'm not the only one saying this. Half the republicans agree (at least). You seem to be fairly sensible but there's something clearly amiss.  Perhaps you're excluding information that makes you come to uncomfortable conclusions? This will lead to disaster, look at the mess with the GOP at the moment for proof.  

I cited the criteria that they use to qualify a hate group.  Your illiteracy must have missed that.  I notice you didn't comment on the black Lives Matter movement being the largest active hate group by that criteria.

If you choose to deny blacks are racist, that is your business and why no one takes you seriously.   You also chose to.ignore Obama attending an openly racist black church for 20 years until the racist rhetoric they preached became known to the public.  

I can and will mention Mike brown.  If you actually read the doj document in its entirety, as I did, you would know about the racist blacks throughout the community that threatened the honest blacks with physical violence if they came forward and told the truth.  Then again, you read racist talking points, not the actual entire documents.

I never mentioned the black panthers, I mentioned the new black panthers, the group that the black panthers are critical of as well.  Wow, you didn't know they were 2 different organizations... how sad for one that claims to do so much research and to be a beacon of truth on racial issues.

I agree with obama, it is a time for self reflection. Next time a mike brown is gunned down, he shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was because the cop was white and the victim was black.  He should assess the facts before he makes his opinion, because otherwise he just looks like a racist asshole.  

When you do things like citing the 3000 member kkk as being a real danger,  yet ignore violent organizations like the new black panthers, you lose credibility.  Your bias isn't even up for debate at that point.  Oh wait you are so incompetent that you didn't even know the new black Panthers differ from the black panthers.  It's that, or you are just a race baiting liar.  Who knows

As i told you before, stick to being a troll. It masks your stupidity a bit

[mr.turbo]

I cited the criteria that they use to qualify a hate group.  Your illiteracy must have missed that.  I notice you didn't comment on the black Lives Matter movement being the largest active hate group by that criteria.

If you choose to deny blacks are racist, that is your business and why no one takes you seriously.   You also chose to.ignore Obama attending an openly racist black church for 20 years until the racist rhetoric they preached became known to the public.  

I can and will mention Mike brown.  If you actually read the doj document in its entirety, as I did, you would know about the racist blacks throughout the community that threatened the honest blacks with physical violence if they came forward and told the truth.  Then again, you read racist talking points, not the actual entire documents.

I never mentioned the black panthers, I mentioned the new black panthers, the group that the black panthers are critical of as well.  Wow, you didn't know they were 2 different organizations... how sad for one that claims to do so much research and to be a beacon of truth on racial issues.

I agree with obama, it is a time for self reflection. Next time a mike brown is gunned down, he shouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was because the cop was white and the victim was black.  He should assess the facts before he makes his opinion, because otherwise he just looks like a racist asshole.  

When you do things like citing the 3000 member kkk as being a real danger,  yet ignore violent organizations like the new black panthers, you lose credibility.  Your bias isn't even up for debate at that point.  Oh wait you are so incompetent that you didn't even know the new black Panthers differ from the black panthers.  It's that, or you are just a race baiting liar.  Who knows

As i told you before, stick to being a troll. It masks your stupidity a bit

Just to summarize:

information from the SPLC, the DOJ, FBI etc. on racism is inaccurate.
information produced by "hate group" FAIR on racism is accurate.
the *new* black panther party is just as bad as the KKK BUT the KKK is no longer dangerous.

I'm open to these claims but so far you've not provided any support for them.

enjoy the following:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212/extremism_052212
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/analysis.html
https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right

[mr.turbo]

a study on the link between right wing political violence and popular opinion which includes racist groups.

This would apply to trump followers:

This research explored whether trends in right-wing political violence in the United States are related
to trends in national polling data for issues linked to right-wing grievances. Repeated poll items related
to right-wing extremism were identified in the American National Election Survey and the General
Social Survey from 1970-2006. The Global Terrorism Database (GTD) was used to identify incidents
of domestic right-wing terrorism over this same time period. The poll items were examined in relation
to (1) changes surrounding the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the deadliest right-wing incident in the
U.S. to date, and (2) relationships over time with the prevalence of right-wing incidents in the GTD.
Results suggest that polling trends—particularly trends in items tapping feelings that (1) government
is out or control, (2) government is doing too much for minorities, and (3) financial circumstances
have worsened —may provide new insight into trends in right-wing violence in the United States. Limitations
of the study are discussed.

https://www.start.umd.edu/sites/default/files/publications/local_attachments/Surveys%20-%20Right-Wing%20Extremism%20Final%20Report.pdf

[iwantmass]

Just to summarize:

information from the SPLC, the DOJ, FBI etc. on racism is inaccurate.
information produced by "hate group" FAIR on racism is accurate.
the *new* black panther party is just as bad as the KKK BUT the KKK is no longer dangerous.

I'm open to these claims but so far you've not provided any support for them.

enjoy the following:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212/extremism_052212
http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/analysis.html
https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right

Here we go again with your one sided links.

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

That link puts the numbers into perspective.  Even though blacks make.up far less of the population, they commit far more hate crimes per their population.   It addresses the skewed data of your first and second links.  Blacks and Muslims are minorities in the scope of total population, yet they commit hate crimes and acts of terror.at a near similar rate. 

If blacks and whites made up the same percentage of the population, they would commit far more hate crimes.   That doesn't even take into effect the numerous knockout games, and other race based attacks that are never categorized as hate crimes

Your 2nd link is addressed in a similar fashion.  Muslims make up a miniscule part of the population, yet they commit acts of terror at a near similar rate to whites, the majority population. That is even if you conveniently ignored 9/11 and start just after the worst terror attack in our history, which your one sided link did to.influence simple minded people like you. We made you look full retard the last time you presented that graph. That just.caused you to go full-grown mode. That's what you always resort to when you are losing.  You will do it here soon enough

[mr.turbo]

Here we go again with your one sided links.

http://downtrend.com/71superb/new-fbi-stats-blacks-more-likely-to-commit-hate-crimes-than-any-other-race

That link puts the numbers into perspective.  Even though blacks make.up far less of the population, they commit far more hate crimes per their population.   It addresses the skewed data of your first and second links.  Blacks and Muslims are minorities in the scope of total population, yet they commit hate crimes and acts of terror.at a near similar rate. 

If blacks and whites made up the same percentage of the population, they would commit far more hate crimes.   That doesn't even take into effect the numerous knockout games, and other race based attacks that are never categorized as hate crimes

Your 2nd link is addressed in a similar fashion.  Muslims make up a miniscule part of the population, yet they commit acts of terror at a near similar rate to whites, the majority population. That is even if you conveniently ignored 9/11 and start just after the worst terror attack in our history, which your one sided link did to.influence simple minded people like you. We made you look full retard the last time you presented that graph. That just.caused you to go full-grown mode. That's what you always resort to when you are losing.  You will do it here soon enough

hate crimes are not racism.  this includes a wide array or discrimination. We are looking for support for your claim blacks are racist. please provide this data and go ahead and provide it for the rest of your claims. thanks.

[iwantmass]

a study on the link between right wing political violence and popular opinion which includes racist groups.

This would apply to trump followers:

This research explored whether trends in right-wing political violence in the United States are related
to trends in national polling data for issues linked to right-wing grievances. Repeated poll items related
to right-wing extremism were identified in the American National Election Survey and the General
Social Survey from 1970-2006. The Global Terrorism Database (GTD) was used to identify incidents
of domestic right-wing terrorism over this same time period. The poll items were examined in relation
to (1) changes surrounding the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the deadliest right-wing incident in the
U.S. to date, and (2) relationships over time with the prevalence of right-wing incidents in the GTD.
Results suggest that polling trends—particularly trends in items tapping feelings that (1) government
is out or control, (2) government is doing too much for minorities, and (3) financial circumstances
have worsened —may provide new insight into trends in right-wing violence in the United States. Limitations
of the study are discussed.

https://www.start.umd.edu/sites/default/files/publications/local_attachments/Surveys%20-%20Right-Wing%20Extremism%20Final%20Report.pdf

Stop trying to bog me down with a 55 page paper.  I actually read stuff when you guys post it.  Apparently you didn't, and you probably should so you don't continue to make yourself look stupid.

Tell me exactly what you think that paper says, because I don't think it means what you think it means.  First off, by no means was this some.scientific study.  You would know that if you actually read it.  Secondly, some of the trends that emerged didn't support their initial assertion.  You would know that as well, if you read it....

[iwantmass]

hate crimes are not racism.  this includes a wide array or discrimination. We are looking for support for your claim blacks are racist. please provide this data and go ahead and provide it for the rest of your claims. thanks.

A hate crime committed against another person because of their color is absolutely a demonstration of racism.  Are you that dense?  

I'm confused with what you are suggesting here.  Are you actually suggesting that many blacks aren't racist?

[mr.turbo]

Stop trying to bog me down with a 55 page paper.  I actually read stuff when you guys post it.  Apparently you didn't, and you probably should so you don't continue to make yourself look stupid.

Tell me exactly what you think that paper says, because I don't think it means what you think it means.  First off, by no means was this some.scientific study.  You would know that if you actually read it.  Secondly, some of the trends that emerged didn't support their initial assertion.  You would know that as well, if you read it....

here's the take away.

homeland security saw fit to produce a 55 page paper on right wing extremism as it relates to public opinion.
west point produced a 155 page paper on domestic right wing extremism.

It would seem these agencies take the matter more seriously than you do. You say black racists are just as bad, in fact worse than white racists so... where are the reports from the experts on black extremists?

[mr.turbo]

A hate crime committed against another person because of their color is absolutely a demonstration of racism.  Are you that dense?  

I'm confused with what you are suggesting here.  Are you actually suggesting that many blacks aren't racist?

I'm aware that blacks are more homophobic in general but to be honest I don't know about the racism. Conceptually it seems far fetched but I'm open to it.

[iwantmass]

here's the take away.

homeland security saw fit to produce a 55 page paper on right wing extremism as is relates to public opinion.
west point produced a 155 page paper on domestic right wing extremism.

It would seem these agencies take the matter more seriously than you do. You say black racists are just as bad, in fact worse than white racists so... where are the reports from the experts on black extremists?

Took me all of 3 seconds.  Do you need more?

https://vault.fbi.gov/Black%20Panther%20Party%20

[iwantmass]

I'm aware that blacks are more homophobic in general but to be honest I don't know about the racism. Conceptually it seems far fetched but I'm open to it.

Then, you are a liar. I'm from Louisiana and have lived their my whole life.  I've had black friends confess how openly racist many of their own are.  Anytime one of my black friends dated a white woman, they were shocked to find out that it was the blacks that denounced them and not the whites as they anticipated.  

Just because you don't consider it racism, doesn't mean it isnt.  It might mean you are as racist

Nothing farfetched about it at all. A lot of poor blacks blame and resent whites for all their problems, thus breeding a racist attitude