Tier (2) or 3, lol Noob. Saw him many times in person. Even destroyed Nasser at my gym in their prime! Won all his first 3 pro shows.. ( a record I believe?) Won the NOC, and The Arnold Classic in 95'. He was so dense and thick in person. Whould have been Mr"O" for sure had he not gotten sick. (Colitis) heditery, before the Internet warriors blame it on roids. Tier 1, beyond belief. Man, if you saw him in person!
