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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2016, 08:12:24 AM »
http://time.com/4441046/400-million-iran-hostage-history/

Why the U.S. Owed Iran That $400 Million

The money was part of a hostage deal, but not the one some might think


It does look fishy as all get out: $400 million in assorted denominations, stacked on wooden pallets and flown to Tehran in the dead of night by the government of the United States. Hours later, five imprisoned Americans are released and board planes to freedom. If that situation—which took place in January—doesn’t look like a hostage deal, what does?

Answer: The actual hostage deal that in fact accounts for the cash payment, which President Obama said on Thursday was not a ransom.

The currency shipped to Iran in the dead of night drew attention from presidential candidate Donald Trump this week, who on Friday appeared to walk back an earlier assertion that he had seen a payment being delivered. But that money was owed to the Islamic Republic since 1979, the year the U.S. froze all the Iranian funds in American banks as retribution for seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran, as revolution swept that nation.
What was universally known as the Iran hostage crisis went on for more than a year, and finally ended with a bargain: In exchange for the release of 52 American diplomats and citizens, both sides agreed to resolve the question of money through international arbitration. The Iran-United States Claims Tribunal has trudged along for almost four decades now, and the money has flowed both ways. By 1983, Iran had returned $896 million to U.S. banks, which in turn had returned hundreds of millions in frozen funds to Iran. Today, private claims from the U.S. side have been resolved to the tune of $2.1 billion.

But still at issue as Obama began his second term was $400 million that Iran in the late 1970s had paid for U.S. fighter jets, while Tehran was still a U.S. ally. After it turned into an enemy in 1979, Washington was not about to deliver the jets. But, all these years later, Iran wanted its money back—and with interest.

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All told, Tehran was asking The Hague arbitrators (comprising equal numbers of U.S., Iranian and neutral judges) for $10 billion. Fearing they might actually be awarded that much, or something like it, the Obama administration negotiated privately with Tehran, which agreed to settle for $1.7 billion. The $400 million stacked on pallets was the first installment.

The day it arrived, however, a great deal else was going on. January 17 was the day the international compact rolling back Iran’s nuclear program was set to take formal effect. It was also the day that Iran had, privately, agreed to release five Americans it had imprisoned on spurious charges. At the same time, the Obama administration would release seven Iranians the U.S. had held for violating sanctions—the same sanctions that had brought Iran to the negotiating table, and indeed had necessitated doing business in cash, Iran’s banks having been cut off from the international banking system.

There were a lot of moving parts and fraying nerves at the time—and the whole teetering contraption nearly came crashing down when a couple of U.S. Navy river boats strayed into Iranian waters, and were taken by the Revolutionary Guards five days before the big day. To those who follow U.S.-Iranian relations, the swiftness of the sailors’ release—the very next day—was the most impressive indication of how badly both sides wanted January 17 to come off as planned.

At least till now.

The pallets of Euros and Swiss francs are even more vivid a symbol. To Iran-watchers, they show how badly Obama’s team wanted to bolster Iran’s moderate leaders, who had promised their public that the nuclear deal would produce immediate economic improvements. It also helps to bear in mind that Iran’s theocratic government works on a patronage system. When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was president, it was his loyalists who got the contracts to smuggle Iran’s oil past the sanctions; President Hassan Rouhani is now grappling with the fallout from paying his own people tens of thousands a month. In short, cash and a show of good will were much in demand.

Were the prisoners a factor? Even on Jan. 17, when the apparent quid pro quo was Obama’s grant of clemency to the seven Iranians, the concept of hostage-taking haunts every transaction with Iran.

The mullahs insisted that Jimmy Carter have left office before releasing the 52 original hostages, minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in Jan. 21, 1981. The “arms for hostages” scandal that marred Reagan’s second term brought together Iran, Central American insurgencies and U.S. prisoners held by Iranian surrogates.

Nor was President Obama the first president to look for leverage in The Hague. A flurry of claims settlements in 1989 came as President George H.W. Bush attempted to persuade Tehran to help release more American hostages, a group that was being held in Lebanon. “I’d like to get this underbrush cleaned out now,” Bush said, after the U.S. announced it was releasing $567 million in frozen assets to Tehran. “I hope,” Bush added, “they will do what they can to influence those who hold these hostages.”

At the time, a State Department official quoted in TIME acknowledged what amounted to a dance: “You want to do things that are justifiable on their own merits and defensible in terms of U.S. interests. And if Iran wants to take it as a signal, fine.” And, if not dandy, at least the way things seem to work with Iran.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2016, 08:46:05 AM »
at least the repubs didn't try to interfere and hold off the hostage release until the election. 

that's be pretty screwed up.  Right, guys?

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2016, 03:32:53 PM »
Iran ‘Ransom’: Feds Claim $1.7 Billion Paid in Full — But Won’t Explain How
Breitbart ^ | 11 Aug 2016 | Aaron Klein
Posted on 8/11/2016, 6:19:50 PM by detective

Questions continue to linger about the Obama administration’s decision to deliver $400 million in pallets of foreign currency flown to Iran aboard an unmarked jetliner the same day five American hostages were released from Iranian custody. The State and Treasury Departments both told Breitbart News that the U.S. government transferred the remaining $1.3 billion, which was part of the same settlement for which the $400 million was an initial payment in January. However, despite numerous requests, neither State nor Treasury would provide an answer on how the Obama administration allegedly transferred to Iran the remaining $1.3 billion.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #78 on: August 18, 2016, 02:33:12 PM »

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #79 on: August 18, 2016, 03:02:27 PM »
I'm down for impeaching obama for being born elsewhere.   and prosecution for fast & furious.

But repaying reagan's promised debt to get 4 spies back?   It's not something I'd get as upset over.  Our spies are important, and it was reagan's word.  If obama paid them a billion bucks for used posing shorts, yes, that's outrageous.  But it's hard for either country to claim the high road here.  We sent in spies, we promised that money.

Reminds me of when our boatload "accidentally" drifted into Iranian waters.  In these days of technology and GPS, that shit doesn't happen accidentally ;)   If a boatload of iranian sailors with guns "accidentally" drifted 8 miles from NYC, we'd have their asses in GITMO before anyone could blink.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2016, 03:24:15 PM »
I'm down for impeaching obama for being born elsewhere.   and prosecution for fast & furious.

But repaying reagan's promised debt to get 4 spies back?   It's not something I'd get as upset over.  Our spies are important, and it was reagan's word.  If obama paid them a billion bucks for used posing shorts, yes, that's outrageous.  But it's hard for either country to claim the high road here.  We sent in spies, we promised that money.

Reminds me of when our boatload "accidentally" drifted into Iranian waters.  In these days of technology and GPS, that shit doesn't happen accidentally ;)   If a boatload of iranian sailors with guns "accidentally" drifted 8 miles from NYC, we'd have their asses in GITMO before anyone could blink.


It wasn't a repayment. It was ransom. Try to keep up.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #81 on: August 18, 2016, 03:26:42 PM »
It wasn't a repayment. It was ransom. Try to keep up.

I thought it was money owed for a 1980s debt, and that they're release our spies if we paid the debt back.

What isn't accurate there?  You want to call it ransom... but it was money owed and they were fcking spies.   Your patriotism is getting in the way of common fcking sense.  If we catch 4 iranian spies in the USA, I damn sure hope we charge them an arm and a leg for their return.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2016, 03:29:47 PM »
I thought it was money owed for a 1980s debt, and that they're release our spies if we paid the debt back.

What isn't accurate there?  You want to call it ransom... but it was money owed and they were fcking spies.   Your patriotism is getting in the way of common fcking sense.  If we catch 4 iranian spies in the USA, I damn sure hope we charge them an arm and a leg for their return.


I'm sure you already read my recently posted thread where the State Dept admitted it was ransom...

http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://nypost.com/2016/08/18/state-department-400m-cash-to-iran-was-contingent-on-us-prisoners-release/&s=1&f=1&ts=1471559268&sig=AKOVD65Gem3I8esHOPrSOhYCnnt3qJXaAw

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #83 on: August 18, 2016, 05:46:02 PM »
I'm sure you already read my recently posted thread where the State Dept admitted it was ransom...

http://googleweblight.com/?lite_url=http://nypost.com/2016/08/18/state-department-400m-cash-to-iran-was-contingent-on-us-prisoners-release/&s=1&f=1&ts=1471559268&sig=AKOVD65Gem3I8esHOPrSOhYCnnt3qJXaAw

They admitted releasing frozen assets was a requirement for returning spies caught on their soil?

You can define that as ransom if you'd like, but ransom and contingent aren't the same thing.  This was their money being returned.  Very late and only turned over because we wanted our spies back. 

ransom is them catching spies and inventing a price.  In this case, it was a trade for money we already owed.  Essentially since the $ was theirs ALL ALONG (frozen assets), we got our spies back for free.

You once bitched about michelle wearing a china red dress, didn't you?  You bitched about some salute story that never actually happened.  Of course you'll bitch that obama kept reagan's promise here.


Who are you voting for, coach?  Still no answer?

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #84 on: August 18, 2016, 06:28:43 PM »
"The State Department admitted Thursday that the US would not hand over $400 million in cash to Iran until it released four American hostages"

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #85 on: August 18, 2016, 06:35:52 PM »
That makes it sound like the hostages were the ransom. Not money.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #86 on: August 18, 2016, 06:55:10 PM »
That makes it sound like the hostages were the ransom. Not money.

don't forget the money actually belonged to Iran.   Frozen by Reagan, promised he'd return it. 

Coach keeps pointing out reagan breaking his word.  I don't like it.  Makes me uncomfortable. 

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2016, 04:49:10 AM »
State Department: Okay Fine, We Basically Paid a Ransom for Those Iranian Hostages
Townhall.com ^ | August 18, 2016 | Guy Benson
Posted on 8/19/2016, 7:04:29 AM by Kaslin



Remember the Obama administration's preposterous spin on Iran's release of four American hostages on the exact same day that an unmarked cargo plane loaded with US-arranged cash landed in Tehran? That money wasn't a ransom, they insisted, and how dare you suggest otherwise? There was no quid pro quo, we were imperiously informed, and any allegation to the contrary was right-wing conspiratorial garbage, fomented by domestic "crazies" who make "common cause" with Iran's anti-American zealots.  "No linkage." The biggest problem with this insulting tale -- setting aside all of the hilariously obvious circumstantial evidence -- was that the Iranians were openly boasting about the payment as a ransom, and US officials were telling reporters that the money was connected to the "prisoner release," even though the negotiations weren't at all related. Or something.  Soon after, we learned that DOJ officials had objected to the payment because of the obviously sketchy timing, worrying that Iran would view the transaction as a ransom-for-hostages situation, which would only incentivize more hostage taking.  Those concerns were overruled, Tehran did in fact view it as a ransom, and they've imprisoned more Americans since.  Smart power, and all that.  Next came this revelation, which we mentioned earlier:

new @WSJ piece on the $400 million to Iran with this detail: https://t.co/IdIsyiIyds pic.twitter.com/hp68gFGXs4— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) August 17, 2016

And finally, the pitiful, ignominious  surrender:

BREAKING: State Dept. says $400 million cash payment to Iran was contingent on American prisoners' release.— The Associated Press (@AP) August 18, 2016

That is, by definition, a ransom:

Cc: @POTUS pic.twitter.com/4qrbzoXLYG— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) August 18, 2016

The State Department's top spokesman keeps repeating the talking point from his binder that the negotiation tracks were entirely separate. But that story is demolished by US officials' own words and actions. The Iranians linked them, and we complied. A ransom payment. It's quite simple. No, no, the White House's amateur propagandists on social media still retort. We've owed Iran that payment for decades. That money was rightfully theirs. Wrong. We owed that money to an Iranian government that no longer exists because it was violently overthrown by a radical Islamist revolution -- one of whose first major acts was the storming of America's embassy, followed by the outrageous detention of hundreds of US citizens for more than a year.  A regime that to this day is the top exporter and financier of international terrorism, according to this administration. A regime that continues to illegally test-fire banned long-range missiles, in violation of international law. The notion that we "owe" this cabal anything is almost as ludicrous and insulting as the initial lie itself, which has finally come crashing down under its own prodigiously stupid weight. The Obama administration paid a cash ransom for American hostages, and other Americans are already paying the price. Those are facts, the new response to which is blaming the media, much of which credulously repeated the original falsehood.  Pathetic:

State Department blames criticism of U.S. ransom payment to Iran on the media

I'll leave you with this same spokesman also arguing that (a) after an investigation into this incident, the State Department has been unable to determine who was responsible for the video edit, and (b) they can't determine whether said edit was intended to deceive. The assembled reporters were having none of it.  James Rosen's questions, appropriately enough, are especially damning.  What a farce:

State Dept interrogated harshly after claiming 'no evidence' Iran video deleted to deceive public


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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #89 on: August 19, 2016, 05:50:13 AM »
THE CORNER THE ONE AND ONLY. Besides Being Illegal, Obama’s $400M Cash Payment to Iran Was a Ransom [UPDATED Post] SHARE ARTICLE ON FACEBOOKSHARE   TWEET ARTICLETWEET   PLUS ONE ARTICLE ON GOOGLE PLUS+1   PRINT ARTICLE   ADJUST FONT SIZEAA by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY   August 18, 2016 3:54 PM @ANDREWCMCCARTHY Despite weeks of Obama administration stonewalling of refreshingly persistent media inquiries about its outrageous – and, I believe, illegal – transfer to Iran of $400 million in foreign currency in an unmarked cargo plane, the Wall Street Journal has confirmed that the payment was, in fact, a ransom payment for the release of American hostages. The White House and State Department have insisted that there was absolutely, positively, cross-their-hearts no connection between (a) an agreed-upon prisoner swap in which American hostages held by Iran were released, and (b) the settlement of Iran’s claim regarding $400 million (plus interest) withheld by the United States in connection with a failed 1970s arms deal. Obama officials have expected us to accept their say-so that the timing of the payment on the same day as the hostage release was sheer coincidence. The story has never made any sense, a fact brought into sharp relief by both the shady form of the transaction and the administration’s refusal to answer basic questions about it. Now it is clear that the story doesn’t make sense because it isn’t true. Among the most basic questions Obama officials declined to answer involved how and when the transfer of funds took place, as well as the sequence of planes taking off and landing. But as the Journal’s Jay Solomon and Carol E. Lee now report, Iran dispatched an Iran Air cargo plane to Geneva. By then, the Obama administration had transferred $400 million in U.S. assets to Switzerland, the Netherlands, and perhaps other helpful European nations, which made the conversion to foreign cash – francs, euros, and perhaps other currencies, that were stacked onto pallets and held at the airport in Geneva under U.S. control. American officials would not permit the Iran Air officials to take possession of the money and depart for Iran until they received word that a Swiss Air flight on which the U.S. hostages were boarded in Iran was “wheels up.” Only after the American officials were notified that the hostages’ plane had taken off were the Iranians allowed to take custody of the money. As Senators Ted Cruz (R., Texas) and Mike Lee (R., Utah) have pointed out in pressing the administration for answers about this transaction: Although the administration has denied there was any quid pro quo, the close temporal proximity of the payment to the release of the hostages suggests otherwise.  As the Justice Department is never remiss to point out in court, an illicit quid pro quo can be inferred from the timing of the quid and the quo The involvement of Iran Air should be of special interest to Congress. Iran Air has long been a tool of the regime’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps. In 2007, the IRGC’s Qods Force was designated as a terrorist entity, and the IRGC as a whole was also designated as proliferator of weapons of mass destruction over its development of ballistic missiles and procurement of technology to support Iran’s nuclear program. As the Foundation for Defense of Democracies’ Emanuele Ottolenghi has recounted, the Obama administration sanctioned Iran Air in 2011 because it is a front for the IRGC and was known to “disguise and manifest weapons shipments [to the Assad regime in Syria] as medicine and generic spare parts,” in addition to transporting missiles and rocket components in contravention of aviation standards. Yet, under Obama’s Iran nuclear agreement, the Iran Air sanctions were removed – notwithstanding that there had been no change, and was no prospect of change, in the behavior of either Iran Air or its IRGC masters. So to recap, in contravention of federal criminal law that prohibits Americans from transferring things of value to Iran, whether directly or indirectly (including through third countries), President Obama transferred Iran $400 million by laundering American assets into foreign currency and then delivering it – as a ransom for hostages, in violation of American policy – to agents of the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism, so it could be transported to Tehran by an airline previously sanctioned for abetting terrorism and weapons shipments. As I have previously argued, there was a way for Obama to do this deal legally, by publicly explaining what he was doing and how he was proposing to do it, and transparently waiving any sanctions. Such disclosure would have been politically damaging, though, so the administration tried to sneak the deal through, hoping the sordid details would remain concealed until Obama was out of office, if not forever. On that score, as we’ve asked before: What happened to the other $1.3 billion Obama agreed to pay Iran in settling the failed arms deal? If Obama had been forthright about this matter, there would have been no need to give Iran hundreds of millions in untraceable cash that it can use to support Hezbollah and other terrorists without leaving a paper trail. There would have been no need for installments; Obama could simply have wired Iran the full 1.7 billion sum – in dollars or foreign currency equivalent. The Journal concludes its report by noting that “Obama administration officials have confirmed that they paid the remaining $1.3 billion to Iran. Yet, notwithstanding inquiries from Congress and the press, the administration still “refuse to disclose how the Obama administration made this additional payment.” What possible good reason is there not to reveal that? And is Congress going to let Obama get away with it? UPDATE: State Department Confirms $400M Payment to Iran Contingent on Release of Hostages The Associated Press reports this afternoon that State Department spokesman John Kirby “says a $400 million cash payment to Iran was contingent on the release of American prisoners.” Both the cash payment and the hostage release took place on January 17, 2016. Kirby repeats the Obama administration’s claim that negotiations over the U.S. hostages were separate from negotiations over the financial settlement stemming from a failed 1970s arms deal. But, according to the AP report, Kirby acknowledges that “the U.S. withheld delivery of the cash as leverage until the U.S. citizens had left Iran.” Two thoughts. First, will President Obama continue to claim that his administration does not negotiate with or pay ransom to terrorists? Or is that now modified: “We will use cash as ‘leverage’ while negotiating with terrorists”? Second, Obama obviously used the $400 million for ransom leverage because he did not trust the Iranians to honor their agreement merely to release four hostages. Why, then, would he have us trust Iran to honor its agreement not to seek nuclear weapons when he has given away our leverage (the sanctions); when Iran has been seeking nuclear weapons for years; when, despite his deal with them, the Iranians continue ballistic missile development; and when Obama’s deal will leave them with an industrial-strength nuclear program that they can easily weaponize at any time?

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #90 on: August 19, 2016, 08:11:12 AM »
Don't forget Killary also said it wasn't ransom.


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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2016, 05:10:27 AM »
I think after the initial $400mil Iran captured 2 more hostages.

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Re: Obama Admn sent $400 in hard cash to Iran as 4 hostages freed - WSJ
« Reply #93 on: September 08, 2016, 03:47:28 AM »
Democrats Say They Weren't Told $1.7 Billion Iran Payment Would Be Made in Cash
weeklystandard.com ^ | Sep 08, 2016
Posted on 9/8/2016, 6:43:15 AM by Helicondelta

The Obama administration failed to inform a number of Democratic lawmakers that a $1.7 billion payment the U.S. sent to Iran earlier this year would be made wholly in cash, according to senators who spoke to THE WEEKLY STANDARD Wednesday.

"I did not know about [the cash payment], not until after reading about it," Michigan senator Gary Peters told TWS. "I had no prior knowledge of that."

Peters said that there was an "understanding" that "some payments" would be made, but did not recall being told that the transaction would occur in cash.

Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who opposed the Iran nuclear deal, said that he did not know that the payment "was happening at all."

"I was not [briefed]," he said. "I just saw that."

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