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ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« on: October 24, 2016, 02:41:10 PM »
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_PREMIUMS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-24-17-03-27


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Premiums will go up sharply next year under President Barack Obama's health care law, and many consumers will be down to just one insurer, the administration confirmed Monday. That will stoke another "Obamacare" controversy days before a presidential election.

Before taxpayer-provided subsidies, premiums for a midlevel benchmark plan will increase an average of 25 percent across the 39 states served by the federally run online market, according to a report from the Department of Health and Human Services. Some states will see much bigger jumps, others less.

Moreover, about 1 in 5 consumers will only have plans from a single insurer to pick from, after major national carriers such as UnitedHealth Group, Humana and Aetna scaled back their roles.

"Consumers will be faced this year with not only big premium increases but also with a declining number of insurers participating, and that will lead to a tumultuous open enrollment period," said Larry Levitt, who tracks the health care law for the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.

Republicans will pounce on the numbers as confirmation that insurance markets created by the 2010 health overhaul are on the verge of collapsing in a "death spiral." Sign-up season starts Nov. 1, about a week before national elections in which the GOP remains committed to a full repeal. Window shopping for plans and premiums is already available through HealthCare.gov.

The sobering numbers confirmed state-by-state reports that have been coming in for months. Administration officials are stressing that subsidies provided under the law, which are designed to rise alongside premiums, will insulate most customers from sticker shock. They add that consumers who are willing to switch to cheaper plans will still be able to find bargains.

"Headline rates are generally rising faster than in previous years," acknowledged HHS spokesman Kevin Griffis. But he added that for most consumers, "headline rates are not what they pay."

The vast majority of the more than 10 million customers who purchase through HealthCare.gov and its state-run counterparts do receive generous financial assistance. "Enrollment is concentrated among very low-income individuals who receive significant government subsidies to reduce premiums and cost-sharing," said Caroline Pearson of the consulting firm Avalere Health

But an estimated 5 million to 7 million people are either not eligible for the income-based assistance, or they buy individual policies outside of the health law's markets, where the subsidies are not available. The administration is urging the latter group to check out HealthCare.gov. The spike in premiums generally does not affect the employer-provided plans that most workers and their families rely on.

In some states, the premium increases are striking. In Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a 27-year-old buying a benchmark "second-lowest cost silver plan" will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report. Oklahoma has the next biggest increase for a similarly situated customer, 69 percent.

Dwindling choice is another problem factor.

The total number of HealthCare.gov insurers will drop from 232 this year to 167 in 2017, a loss of 28 percent. (Insurers are counted multiple times if they offer coverage in more than one state. So Aetna, for example, would count once in each state that it participated in.)

Switching insurers may not be simple for patients with chronic conditions.

While many carriers are offering a choice of plan designs, most use a single prescription formulary and physician network across all their products, explained Pearson. "So, enrollees may need to change doctors or drugs when they switch insurers," he said.

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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2016, 03:35:38 PM »
So much for the $2500 savings people were supposed to receive. 

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Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2016, 04:22:16 PM »
More (as suspected) lies "keep your doctor" "save $2500" blah blah blah..

Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/24/obama-administration-confirms-double-digit-premium-hikes.html

Can't say you weren't warned but this would have never happened if Roberts had not have been coerced as suspected and then proven.

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 05:03:13 PM »
Our insurance dropped us despite Obama's NUMEROUS assurances that I could keep my plan and doctor.  My premium on a PPO plan increased slightly to $975/month but my deductible quadrupled (from $1500 to $6000 per family member).  The benefits also deteriorated.  I just received a letter that starting 2017, my premium will be $1220/month (which is "only an estimate"…will probably be more) with the same deductible as above.  Not only did I not get to keep my insurance or doctor, my deductible quadrupled and I will have to pay AT LEAST $245 more per month starting next year.

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 05:03:18 PM »

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 05:08:17 PM »
Sickening. Most of us hard working people are getting screwed. My insurance is horrible now and cost an arm and leg. How could people even vote for more of this shit

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 05:18:50 PM »
Obamacare only works if you do not.

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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2016, 05:23:27 PM »
Only a complete fng moron believed Obama

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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2016, 05:25:24 PM »
Can I just get my old healthcare plan back already?


Wait till you clowns vote Hildog 2016 ... only going to get worse from here

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2016, 05:26:57 PM »
Our insurance dropped us despite Obama's NUMEROUS assurances that I could keep my plan and doctor.  My premium on a PPO plan increased slightly to $975/month but my deductible quadrupled (from $1500 to $6000 per family member).  The benefits also deteriorated.  I just received a letter that starting 2017, my premium will be $1220/month (which is "only an estimate"…will probably be more) with the same deductible as above.  Not only did I not get to keep my insurance or doctor, my deductible quadrupled and I will have to pay AT LEAST $245 more per month starting next year.

Yep, sounds like us. We are looking into this and probably switching after the next open enrollment....

https://mychristiancare.org/medi-share/


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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2016, 06:00:33 PM »
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_PREMIUMS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-24-17-03-27


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Premiums will go up sharply next year under President Barack Obama's health care law, and many consumers will be down to just one insurer, the administration confirmed Monday. That will stoke another "Obamacare" controversy days before a presidential election.

Before taxpayer-provided subsidies, premiums for a midlevel benchmark plan will increase an average of 25 percent across the 39 states served by the federally run online market, according to a report from the Department of Health and Human Services. Some states will see much bigger jumps, others less.

Moreover, about 1 in 5 consumers will only have plans from a single insurer to pick from, after major national carriers such as UnitedHealth Group, Humana and Aetna scaled back their roles.

"Consumers will be faced this year with not only big premium increases but also with a declining number of insurers participating, and that will lead to a tumultuous open enrollment period," said Larry Levitt, who tracks the health care law for the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.

Republicans will pounce on the numbers as confirmation that insurance markets created by the 2010 health overhaul are on the verge of collapsing in a "death spiral." Sign-up season starts Nov. 1, about a week before national elections in which the GOP remains committed to a full repeal. Window shopping for plans and premiums is already available through HealthCare.gov.

The sobering numbers confirmed state-by-state reports that have been coming in for months. Administration officials are stressing that subsidies provided under the law, which are designed to rise alongside premiums, will insulate most customers from sticker shock. They add that consumers who are willing to switch to cheaper plans will still be able to find bargains.

"Headline rates are generally rising faster than in previous years," acknowledged HHS spokesman Kevin Griffis. But he added that for most consumers, "headline rates are not what they pay."

The vast majority of the more than 10 million customers who purchase through HealthCare.gov and its state-run counterparts do receive generous financial assistance. "Enrollment is concentrated among very low-income individuals who receive significant government subsidies to reduce premiums and cost-sharing," said Caroline Pearson of the consulting firm Avalere Health

But an estimated 5 million to 7 million people are either not eligible for the income-based assistance, or they buy individual policies outside of the health law's markets, where the subsidies are not available. The administration is urging the latter group to check out HealthCare.gov. The spike in premiums generally does not affect the employer-provided plans that most workers and their families rely on.

In some states, the premium increases are striking. In Arizona, unsubsidized premiums for a 27-year-old buying a benchmark "second-lowest cost silver plan" will jump by 116 percent, from $196 to $422, according to the administration report. Oklahoma has the next biggest increase for a similarly situated customer, 69 percent.

Dwindling choice is another problem factor.

The total number of HealthCare.gov insurers will drop from 232 this year to 167 in 2017, a loss of 28 percent. (Insurers are counted multiple times if they offer coverage in more than one state. So Aetna, for example, would count once in each state that it participated in.)

Switching insurers may not be simple for patients with chronic conditions.

While many carriers are offering a choice of plan designs, most use a single prescription formulary and physician network across all their products, explained Pearson. "So, enrollees may need to change doctors or drugs when they switch insurers," he said.

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Still worth it for those without healthcare during the previous administrations.

I think it's a price worth paying.

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2016, 06:02:07 PM »
Yep, sounds like us. We are looking into this and probably switching after the next open enrollment....

https://mychristiancare.org/medi-share/



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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2016, 06:26:22 PM »
Still worth it for those without healthcare during the previous administrations.

I think it's a price worth paying.
At what point will you say it isn't worth it? Remember these people are forced to buy these policies or pay a penalty. These premiums are going to start going down no matter how much Obama or Clinton promise. So how many times does the premium have to double before you admit this was a shit sandwich?

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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2016, 06:31:43 PM »
I don't wanna work on Maggie's farm no more...  :'(
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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2016, 06:32:06 PM »
Our insurance dropped us despite Obama's NUMEROUS assurances that I could keep my plan and doctor.  My premium on a PPO plan increased slightly to $975/month but my deductible quadrupled (from $1500 to $6000 per family member).  The benefits also deteriorated.  I just received a letter that starting 2017, my premium will be $1220/month (which is "only an estimate"…will probably be more) with the same deductible as above.  Not only did I not get to keep my insurance or doctor, my deductible quadrupled and I will have to pay AT LEAST $245 more per month starting next year.

My total out-of-pocket doubled. The premiums went down, so did some deductibles. -Works for me since I am a healthy person. Being as how I am on a Medicare Advantage Plan, my very low premiums would bowl you over. Medicare Advantage Plans are probably similar to what we'd have if the country went to a "single payer" medical insurance coverage.

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2016, 07:11:19 PM »
Great. Communism.



This coming from someone who's supposedly voting for Killary

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2016, 07:17:06 PM »
This coming from someone who's supposedly voting for Killary

I'm voting Democrats  because I don't want to vote Trump. Because I don't believe Trump is interested in being president. Because I believe the Republican Party in it's current shape are Democrats wrapped in RINO. You don't vote in a party that can't decide what they stand for. Last election I voted GOP. Hope this helps.

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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2016, 07:25:25 PM »
At what point will you say it isn't worth it? Remember these people are forced to buy these policies or pay a penalty. These premiums are going to start going down no matter how much Obama or Clinton promise. So how many times does the premium have to double before you admit this was a shit sandwich?

So easy to criticize when you don't have any alternative suggestions. I'd personally be happy for a national socialised healthcare system that's taxpayer funded (Canada/UK/rest of civilised world) but it'll go down like a cold cup of vomit here so I guess we're stuck with what we got.

Even Coach just linked to a socialised healthcare system he appears to be considering.

Maybe we should take the world 'socialist' out of it so it can stop freaking out the dimwits and pea-brains and call it something else.

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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2016, 08:48:38 PM »
So easy to criticize when you don't have any alternative suggestions. I'd personally be happy for a national socialised healthcare system that's taxpayer funded (Canada/UK/rest of civilised world) but it'll go down like a cold cup of vomit here so I guess we're stuck with what we got.

Even Coach just linked to a socialised healthcare system he appears to be considering.

Maybe we should take the world 'socialist' out of it so it can stop freaking out the dimwits and pea-brains and call it something else.

We already have a Socialized health care with Obamacare which is why it isn't working. The link I posted isn't even close to Socialist health care. I have a choice of whether I want it or not, I don't get a fine for not having it and it's not a government mandate.

Simple Definition of socialism

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2016, 09:02:32 PM »
I'm voting Democrats  because I don't want to vote Trump. Because I don't believe Trump is interested in being president. Because I believe the Republican Party in it's current shape are Democrats wrapped in RINO. You don't vote in a party that can't decide what they stand for. Last election I voted GOP. Hope this helps.
how can u not believe he doesn't want to be pres?  What is he 70?  Doing 3 rallies a day?

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Re: Obama administration confirms double-digit premium hikes
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2016, 02:36:37 AM »
He's 70/3 rallies per day/already had more than enough money/great kids/hot wife/easy retirement in sight

He's the one who seems interested in America/Americans; kinda hard to refute that
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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
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Re: ObamaCare trainwreck - double digit increases in 2017
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2016, 12:01:58 PM »
Don't know why I'm bothering, but....

Do you have insurance through your employer?  Then the rates set on the exchanges have nothing to do with you.

If you don't have insurance through an employer, do you have a private individual plan?  Then the rates set on the exchanges have nothing to do with you.

Do you get your insurance through the exchange?  The the rates set on the exchange may impact you.  If you don't make much money, then you're getting a government subsidy and your rates will stay the same.

This increase mentioned above is on the federal exchange, for people who's state's governments refused to set up their own exchanges.  California, which has it's own exchange, announced the rates for next year back in July.  The highest rate increase on one of their plans (gold, silver, bronze, etc) was 7%.


Also, Obamacare is more than just the exchanges.  It's also a new set of rules for employer and private insurance, such as removal of lifetime caps (before: we've now spent a million dollars on your critically ill child, so we're now canceling your insurance), no ban on pre-existing conditions, banning of bogus major medical plans that really gave you no coverage, allowing parents to keep their children on their employer insurance till age 26, etc.  All those features of Obamacare are working great.

So you want to get rid of the exchanges?  That would mean poor people would go back to using the ER as their primary care provider.  That is very inefficient, medically and financially, and would drive up your employer or private insurance premiums.

If you want to get rid of Obamacare, first tell me exactly how it has negatively impacted you.  How has your life been made worse by Obamacare?