Chaos why don't you have my back, you know we talked on the phone for like a hour that night, you told me how that kid fell through the roof glass walking on it, where they kept all the powerlifting stuff, yeah I was on muscle mayhem under the handle big noli, that was back in 2000-2005 back in 2004 when I went off 100 cc and orals a week cold turkey and had a 9 month recovery.