He ‘lied his a– off': Carrier union leader on Trump’s big deal

[Straw Man]

Given Trumps penchant for lying get ready for 4 years of this kind of bullshit

He ‘lied his a– off': Carrier union leader on Trump’s big deal
By Danielle Paquette December 6 at 3:27 PM

The Secret Service agents told the Carrier workers to stay put, so Chuck Jones sat in the factory conference room for nearly three hours, waiting for president-elect Donald Trump. He’d grown used to this suspense.

Seven months earlier, at a campaign rally in Indianapolis, Trump had pledged to save the plant’s jobs, most of which were slated to move to Mexico. Then the businessman won the election, and the 1,350 workers whose paychecks were on the line wondered if he’d keep his promise.

Jones, president of the United Steelworkers 1999, which represents Carrier employees, felt optimistic when Trump announced last week that he’d reached a deal with the factory’s parent company, United Technologies, to preserve 1,100 of the Indianapolis jobs — until the union leader heard from Carrier that only 730 of the production jobs would stay and 550 of his members would lose their livelihoods, after all.

At the Dec. 1 meeting, where Trump was supposed to lay out the details, Jones hoped he would explain himself.

“But he got up there,” Jones said Tuesday, “and, for whatever reason, lied his a-- off.”

In front of a crowd of about 150 supervisors, production workers and reporters, Trump praised Carrier. “Now they’re keeping — actually the number’s over 1,100 people,” he said, “which is so great.”

Jones wondered why the president-elect appeared to be inflating the victory. Trump and Pence, he said, could take credit for rescuing 800 of the Carrier jobs, including nonunion positions.

Of the nearly 1,700 workers at the Indianapolis plant, however, 350 in research and development were never scheduled to leave, Jones said. Another 80 jobs, which Trump seemed to include in his figure, were nonunion clerical and supervisory positions. (A Carrier spokesman confirmed that 800 factory jobs once earmarked for Mexico are staying.) And now the president-elect was applauding the company and giving it millions of dollars in tax breaks, even as hundreds of Indianapolis workers prepared to be laid off.[/u]

“Trump and Pence, they pulled a dog and pony show on the numbers,” said Jones, who voted for Hillary Clinton but called her “the better of two evils.” “I almost threw up in my mouth.”

Spokesmen for Trump did not respond to The Washington Post’s request for comment.

In exchange for downsizing its move south of the border, United Technologies would receive $7 million in tax credits from Indiana, to be paid in $700,000 installments each year for a decade. Carrier, meanwhile, agreed to invest $16 million in its Indiana operation. United Technologies still plans to send 700 factory jobs from Huntington, Ind., to Monterrey, Mexico.

[Trump scored perhaps the biggest victory of his new tenure. But it comes with a huge asterisk.]

T.J. Bray, 32, one of the workers who will keep his job, sat in the front row during the Dec. 1 meeting as Trump spoke. A corporate employee had guided him specifically to that seat, he said, so he suspected he might be part of Trump’s remarks. 

On Carrier's makeshift stage, Trump paraphrased the words of an unnamed Carrier employee who talked to an NBC reporter after the election. Bray was the only Carrier employee who had appeared on television that day. Apparently, he realized, Trump was saying he inspired the deal.

“He said something to the effect, ‘No, we’re not leaving, because Donald Trump promised us that we’re not leaving,’ and I never thought I made that promise,” Trump said. “Not with Carrier. I made it for everybody else. I didn’t make it really for Carrier.”

In fact, Trump did make that commitment, and it's on video. “They're going to call me and they are going to say 'Mr. President, Carrier has decided to stay in Indiana,'” Trump had said at the April rally. “One hundred percent — that's what is going to happen.”

Last week, though, the president-elect told the Carrier crowd he hadn't meant that literally.

“I was talking about Carrier like all other companies from here on in,” Trump said. “Because they made the decision a year and a half ago. But he believed that was — and I could understand it. I actually said — I didn’t make it — when they played that, I said, 'I did make it, but I didn’t mean it quite that way.'”

Trump asked if the employee he’d been referencing was in the audience. A woman yelled that her son was, and Trump began to compliment that son, though he hadn't spoken in the television news segment. (Bray said that a United Technologies spokesman later told him Trump meant to single him out.)

“I was confused when he was like, ‘I wasn’t talking about Carrier,’” Bray said. “You made this whole campaign about Carrier, and we're still losing a lot of jobs.”

Bray clapped that day, anyway, for the 800 that would remain on American soil.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/06/he-got-up-there-and-lied-his-a-off-carrier-union-leader-on-trumps-big-deal/?utm_term=.7a55fd995f1b

[James]

The president of some labor union is criticizing Trump? I’m shocked!

Just so I understand this correctly...

Carrier was going to eliminate all 1,350 jobs and now, thanks in part to Trump, they’re only going to eliminate 550 jobs, and they are going to keep 730?

And that’s a bad thing how?

By the way, Mr. Union man, how many Carrier jobs did Obama save?

[Straw Man]

The president of some labor union is criticizing Trump? I’m shocked!

Just so I understand this correctly...

Carrier was going to eliminate all 1,350 jobs and now, thanks in part to Trump, they’re only going to eliminate 550 jobs, and they are going to keep 730?

And that’s a bad thing how?

By the way, Mr. Union man, how many Carrier jobs did Obama save?

Yep, apparently he doesn't like be lied to

Businesses are going to need to get used to Trump lying to them.

They're also going to need to get used to him getting pissy and making off the cuff tweets like he did in the last two days

Remember, it ALL ABOUT TRUMP....ALL THE TIME

We should really just change the name of our country to Trumpistan and declare him King

[Las Vegas]

I've read everything from 700 jobs to 1100.  Looks like the media's making shit up as they go.

[Dos Equis]

The president of some labor union is criticizing Trump? I’m shocked!

Just so I understand this correctly...

Carrier was going to eliminate all 1,350 jobs and now, thanks in part to Trump, they’re only going to eliminate 550 jobs, and they are going to keep 730?

And that’s a bad thing how?

By the way, Mr. Union man, how many Carrier jobs did Obama save?

Right?  Going to be a lot of crying over the next four years.  lol

[James]

Going to be a lot of crying over the next four years.  lol

yep

[Yamcha]

I better just go ahead and save the graspingatstraws.jpeg on my hard drive.

[Dos Equis]

yep

lol   

[Straw Man]

It won't be long before Tbaggers start protesting the loss of their Medicare and the Trumptards on this board will call them patriots expressing their first ammendment.

Fact is that Trump flat out fucking lied about the Carrier deal and the leader of the workers union is calling him out on it

Why no criticism for the fact they are still sending 700 jobs to Mexico

[Soul Crusher]

 

Liberal Tears are pure comedy!!! 

[Thin Lizzy]

It won't be long before Tbaggers start protesting the loss of their Medicare and the Trumptards on this board will call them patriots expressing their first ammendment.

Fact is that Trump flat out fucking lied about the Carrier deal and the leader of the workers union is calling him out on it

Why no criticism for the fact they are still sending 700 jobs to Mexico

[Option D]

Right?  Going to be a lot of crying over the next four years.  lol

 

[polychronopolous]

Liberal Jimmy Dore sums it up best.

AT LEAST President Elect Trump is trying and fighting to keep these types of jobs.

Obama just spent the past 8 years telling the black and white working class to eat shit and like it because those types of decent jobs were never coming back.

[Dos Equis]

 

[Walter Sobchak]

It won't be long before Tbaggers start protesting the loss of their Medicare and the Trumptards on this board will call them patriots expressing their first ammendment.

Fact is that Trump flat out fucking lied about the Carrier deal and the leader of the workers union is calling him out on it

Why no criticism for the fact that Obama sucks darkie dick

And.......240BlowsBlacks outs one of his many gimmicks.

[light weight baby]

trump's gay hand movements are kinda growing on me

he's like dr evil

[SOMEPARTS]

Trump's latest Tweet:

"If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues"


Gangsta. He has a point.

[Pray_4_War]

[polychronopolous]

Trump's latest Tweet:

"If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues"


Gangsta. He has a point.

That last little dig at the end is the best.

Trump knows exactly where to stick the dagger.

[Skeeter]

And.......240BlowsBlacks outs one of his many gimmicks.

Straw Man is definitely NOT 240.

[Howard]

The president of some labor union is criticizing Trump? I’m shocked!

Just so I understand this correctly...

Carrier was going to eliminate all 1,350 jobs and now, thanks in part to Trump, they’re only going to eliminate 550 jobs, and they are going to keep 730?

And that’s a bad thing how?

By the way, Mr. Union man, how many Carrier jobs did Obama save?

EVERY elected official and corporate CEO loves to spin things in their favor.
This was a good deal for the USA overall and that's what really matters.

[Walter Sobchak]

Straw Man is definitely NOT 240.

Are you talking to yourself?

I thought you were me?

Poor Ballspew's head is going to explode.....all over his kiddie train set.