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The Popular Vote
« on: December 20, 2016, 09:05:41 AM »
Every time I hear a liberal pundit talk about the election they mention the popular vote.  Several problems with this, including:

1.  This was not a popular vote contest.  It was a electoral vote contest.  It's sort of like mentioning who got more yards or had more time of possession rather than looking at the scoreboard.  

2.  Clinton leads the popular vote by about 2.8 million votes.  The context is this: Clinton received 3.4 million more votes than Trump in California and 1.5 million more votes than Trump in New York. That’s a total spread of about 4.9 million votes from only two states. In fact, her entire spread is accounted for California alone.  Trump did not really campaign in either California or New York, because he knew he was going to lose those states and didn’t need them to win the election.

3.  The Electoral College prevents a handful of states from deciding a national election. Keep this in mind when people talk about the popular vote.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 09:25:19 AM »
GWB lost popvote 2000, but won election.

GWB voted for Hillary.

Payback.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 09:29:50 AM »
IMO that's what everyone needs to know: W voted for Hillary.

'nuff said!!

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 10:26:05 AM »
Every time I hear a liberal pundit talk about the election they mention the popular vote.  Several problems with this, including:

1.  This was not a popular vote contest.  It was a electoral vote contest.  It's sort of like mentioning who got more yards or had more time of possession rather than looking at the scoreboard.  

2.  Clinton leads the popular vote by about 2.8 million votes.  The context is this: Clinton received 3.4 million more votes than Trump in California and 1.5 million more votes than Trump in New York. That’s a total spread of about 4.9 million votes from only two states. In fact, her entire spread is accounted for California alone.  Trump did not really campaign in either California or New York, because he knew he was going to lose those states and didn’t need them to win the election.

3.  The Electoral College prevents a handful of states from deciding a national election. Keep this in mind when people talk about the popular vote.

I openly voted for Hillary but I've always said Trump won a clear victory in the electoral college where it counts.
Plenty of people like to put the best spin on a loss, especially in politics.

After debates, they even have the infamous "spin room" where every candidate magically won the debate LOL.

I often wonder how the Trump side would have behaved had the situation been reversed?
Imagine if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 10:42:20 AM »
I openly voted for Hillary but I've always said Trump won a clear victory in the electoral college where it counts.
Plenty of people like to put the best spin on a loss, especially in politics.

After debates, they even have the infamous "spin room" where every candidate magically won the debate LOL.

I often wonder how the Trump side would have behaved had the situation been reversed?
Imagine if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

Hard to imagine that, but yeah.


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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 10:52:47 AM »
I openly voted for Hillary but I've always said Trump won a clear victory in the electoral college where it counts.
Plenty of people like to put the best spin on a loss, especially in politics.

After debates, they even have the infamous "spin room" where every candidate magically won the debate LOL.

I often wonder how the Trump side would have behaved had the situation been reversed?
Imagine if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

He would of not done anything, he could of however used dozens of other legitimate ways to legally challenge his loss. 
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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2016, 10:37:03 AM »
He would of not done anything, he could of however used dozens of other legitimate ways to legally challenge his loss. 

See, that's exactly what the problem is.

If the other side wins a clear victory according to the rules, you graciously concede.

Now we live in a culture and climate that only wants to accept the results when they win.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2016, 10:38:24 AM »
Final tally shows Trump lost popular vote by 2.8 million –

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html#ixzz4TV0pKX00
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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2016, 07:27:35 AM »
Every time I hear a liberal pundit talk about the election they mention the popular vote.  Several problems with this, including:

1.  This was not a popular vote contest.  It was a electoral vote contest.  It's sort of like mentioning who got more yards or had more time of possession rather than looking at the scoreboard.  

2.  Clinton leads the popular vote by about 2.8 million votes.  The context is this: Clinton received 3.4 million more votes than Trump in California and 1.5 million more votes than Trump in New York. That’s a total spread of about 4.9 million votes from only two states. In fact, her entire spread is accounted for California alone.  Trump did not really campaign in either California or New York, because he knew he was going to lose those states and didn’t need them to win the election.

3.  The Electoral College prevents a handful of states from deciding a national election. Keep this in mind when people talk about the popular vote.

Great points.

I am far more optimistic for Trump's presidency than i would be for Hillarys.  I would think most people who didn't vote for either feel that way.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2016, 08:40:35 AM »
See, that's exactly what the problem is.

If the other side wins a clear victory according to the rules, you graciously concede.

Now we live in a culture and climate that only wants to accept the results when they win.

Winners write history.  Whiners try to re-write it.

Libtards are disgusting.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2016, 08:53:12 AM »
Winners write history.  Whiners try to re-write it.

Libtards are disgusting.

I agree, so I trust you'll join me in a "dignity pledge".

In all future elections we'll accept the result and try to promote civility within political discourse.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2016, 09:02:55 AM »
Great points.

I am far more optimistic for Trump's presidency than i would be for Hillarys.  I would think most people who didn't vote for either feel that way.

Thanks.  I'm a lot more optimistic after seeing how he has conducted himself since hiring Conway during the campaign, and what he has done since winning. 

Not voting for Trump or Hillary gave us less of an emotional investment in the outcome and allows us to view this more objectively IMO.  Most of my liberal friends are off the rails.  You'd think one of their loved ones died and that a foreign army is massing on our border about to invade. 

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2016, 11:17:09 AM »
I agree, so I trust you'll join me in a "dignity pledge".

In all future elections we'll accept the result and try to promote civility within political discourse.

you have no dignity to pledge
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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2016, 01:34:56 PM »
you have no dignity to pledge

 ;D  Good zinger in true get big fashion.

I like humor but the lack of respect for the election process has jumped the shark.

People in politics now act like disgruntled bodybuilders after losing a contest.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2016, 03:33:36 PM »
Hopefully no chads were harmed during the election

Sadly, 1,528 were hung in Florida.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016, 04:36:27 PM »
Final tally shows Trump lost popular vote by 2.8 million –

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html#ixzz4TV0pKX00
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OK...I'm glad to see you at least concede that......however why does Trump keep spreading the lie that he actually WON the popular vote?????????

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016, 05:04:25 PM »
OK...I'm glad to see you at least concede that......however why does Trump keep spreading the lie that he actually WON the popular vote?????????

Why do you keep spreading the lie that obama is straight and born in the USA?

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2016, 09:50:22 AM »
OK...I'm glad to see you at least concede that......however why does Trump keep spreading the lie that he actually WON the popular vote?????????

There was no popular vote contest. 

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2016, 09:52:41 AM »

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 04:27:59 PM »
Harold Ford Jr: ‘Never Understood’ Dems Saying They Won Popular Vote ‘As If That Meant Something’
by Ian Hanchett17 Apr 2017

On Monday’s broadcast of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford Jr. stated that he “never understood when Democrats say, ‘Well, we won the presidential race by 3 million votes,’ as if that meant something.”

Ford said, “Democrats — let’s not overblow this thing. For eight years, under Obama, we figured out how to organize and how to — nationally, but what we’ve not done, to your point, is to figure out how you win in local districts and congressional districts. … [W]e are terrible at this, at showing up over the last 10, 20 years, as we look at congressional districts, Senate races, and governors. I never understood when Democrats say, ‘Well, we won the presidential race by 3 million votes,’ as if that meant something. It would be different if that meant more governor’s seats, or more House seats, or more Senate seats. We lost all of that, and at a historic low in a lot of ways.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/04/17/harold-ford-jr-never-understood-dems-saying-they-won-popular-vote-as-if-that-meant-something/

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 04:59:23 PM »
The only thing it means is the the POTUS does not have popular support for his agenda


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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2017, 09:32:25 PM »
I heard today that 20 percent of Hillary Clinton's votes came from California and New York.  Be glad there is no popular vote contest.  Bunch of lunatics running wild in California.  Wouldn't want those nuts choosing our president.   

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2017, 09:39:49 PM »
I heard today that Trumps Electoral College win consisted of about 70, 000 votes spread over districts in three Rust Belt States

also heard today that there are questions about ballots being incorrectly labeled as "provisional" in Wisconsin


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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2017, 09:47:23 PM »
I heard the Saints are going to win the Superbowl again, because Drew Brees throws for over 300 years a game.

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Re: The Popular Vote
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 09:48:18 PM »
I heard the Saints are going to win the Superbowl again, because Drew Brees throws for over 300 years a game.

I heard the same thing