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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2019, 05:33:59 PM »

"Sometimes it takes just a couple of numbers to clarify a huge, complex issue--In this case, what to do about Medicare. Medicare costs are up 400% since 1969--scary, right? But private health insurance premiums in the same period are up 700%--nearly twice as scary."

https://www.consumerwatchdog.org/blog/private-insurance-vs-medicare-truth-numbers


there's tons of data that shows medicare/caid is way more cost effective than insurance based cover. the majority of the rest of the 1st world has a universal medicare style system and spends way less per capita on healthcare than the US, and everyone has cover.

on top of that the US healthcare system ranks poorly against these other nations, despite the extra cost.

i estimate that in about 100 years or so the penny will finally will drop. one thing i've learn't from this board is although the US probably has the smartest people in the world(at the top). the masses are thick as fk, especially those on the right.



Is that medicare A, B, C or D?
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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2019, 03:23:41 AM »

Medicare costs are subject to price controls with the burden being passed to the private sector.



http://pnhp.org/news/making-medicare-prices-universal-as-an-isolated-policy-for-reform/

According to a study by the Congressional Budget Office, the price for a one-day hospital stay is 89 percent higher when charged to commercial insurance plans and their customers than when a Medicare patient stays in the same bed for the same amount of time. Overall, the discounts Medicare and Medicaid receive are in the 20 to 40 percent range.


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Itís the same drill with rent control. The cost of non-rent controlled housing becomes inflated.


that was actually an interesting read. but I think you completely misinterpreted what the article's saying. it says that the healthcare providers are merging to form "local monopolies" which inflates healthcare costs for private patients.

the article actually sounds quite complimentary of medicare and advocates price controls being applied to private healthcare across the board. it says that the healthcare services in rural and poorer areas are way more efficient in terms of cost control because they are more reliant on medicare patients.





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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2019, 03:30:23 AM »

Is that medicare A, B, C or D?


as the article doesn't specify. I would assume it's talking about medicare as a whole.
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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2019, 04:19:57 AM »

that was actually an interesting read. but I think you completely misinterpreted what the article's saying. it says that the healthcare providers are merging to form "local monopolies" which inflates healthcare costs for private patients.

the article actually sounds quite complimentary of medicare and advocates price controls being applied to private healthcare across the board. it says that the healthcare services in rural and poorer areas are way more efficient in terms of cost control because they are more reliant on medicare patients.







I believe you are missing the point. Where the government is involved heavily in a market it becomes very difficult for smaller players to survive. Thatís why you have the consolidation. More price controls would just exacerbate the problem.

Price controls create shortages. Youíre seeing this right now in San Francisco, the most liberal city in the country. In this case there are housing shortages largely as a result of rent control:


San Francisco homelessness crisis is cruel, according to UN expert

http://www.businessinsider.com/un-expert-san-francisco-homeless-cruelty-2018-11

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« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2019, 04:46:13 AM »

I believe you are missing the point. Where the government is involved heavily in a market it becomes very difficult for smaller players to survive. Thatís why you have the consolidation. More price controls would just exacerbate the problem.

Price controls create shortages. Youíre seeing this right now in San Francisco, the most liberal city in the country. In this case there are housing shortages largely as a result of rent control:


San Francisco homelessness crisis is cruel, according to UN expert

http://www.businessinsider.com/un-expert-san-francisco-homeless-cruelty-2018-11



no you missed the point of the article you posted!

rather than suggesting medicare price controls are a problem, it states they are the solution. it calls for them to be applied across the board.

it says that healthcare providers in high medicare dependent regions are far more cost effective than those in areas that deal with mostly private patients.

go back an re read your article. as what you're saying here is in complete contradiction to it.
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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2019, 06:54:41 AM »

no you missed the point of the article you posted!

rather than suggesting medicare price controls are a problem, it states they are the solution. it calls for them to be applied across the board.

it says that healthcare providers in high medicare dependent regions are far more cost effective than those in areas that deal with mostly private patients.

go back an re read your article. as what you're saying here is in complete contradiction to it.

Theyíre suggesting another intervention, more price controls, to rectify an initial failed intervention, price controls. I disagree with their conclusion.

The reality is that if you look at every American industry that has heavy government intervention youíll find out of control prices. Education is a good example. With the recent advances in online and distance learning,prices should be plummeting but they still are outpacing inflation as they always have.

The aforementioned mentioned San Francisco is another example. Itís a heavily regulated and rent controlled market and the result is out of control housing prices and homelessness. The tech millionaires can afford a home but thatís it. Itís exactly the opposite of what liberals want: equality,
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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2019, 08:25:54 AM »

Theyíre suggesting another intervention, more price controls, to rectify an initial failed intervention, price controls. I disagree with their conclusion.

The reality is that if you look at every American industry that has heavy government intervention youíll find out of control prices. Education is a good example. With the recent advances in online and distance learning,prices should be plummeting but they still are outpacing inflation as they always have.

The aforementioned mentioned San Francisco is another example. Itís a heavily regulated and rent controlled market and the result is out of control housing prices and homelessness. The tech millionaires can afford a home but thatís it. Itís exactly the opposite of what liberals want: equality,

Firstly, the article didn't say price control was a "failed intervention" . it asserted that price control is working well (or at least better than the alternative). That's why it suggests it would be beneficial to do the same across the private market.

If it is your belief that price control (in healthcare) is a "failed intervention"  why not post something that actually supports your position?
rather than posting something that completely disagrees with you Huh

BTW I don't thik you can compare industries such as healthcare/military/policing/education with other industries. most indutries (IMO) are better off in the private sector. but there are exceptions to that rule.
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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2019, 05:09:47 PM »

Firstly, the article didn't say price control was a "failed intervention" . it asserted that price control is working well (or at least better than the alternative). That's why it suggests it would be beneficial to do the same across the private market.

If it is your belief that price control (in healthcare) is a "failed intervention"  why not post something that actually supports your position?
rather than posting something that completely disagrees with you Huh

BTW I don't think you can compare industries such as healthcare/military/policing/education with other industries. most industries (IMO) are better off in the private sector. but there are exceptions to that rule.


Exactly.  These should never be for profit. 

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