Trump - Alternative Facts dispute re inauguration crowd size

[Soul Crusher]

How will they die?  Most of these people die through bad lifestyle choices.   some Cancer - sure - that sucks.

But after 65 - they are on medicare or medicade - so again WTF are these liberal aholes screaming about. 

[Pray_4_War]

This is the picture that has been widely disseminated by CNN and other liberal sources.  It's been used to mock Trump as though hardly anyone showed up for his inauguration.

Trump is on your left, Obama on the right.



Has anyone taken the time to look at CNN's zoomable gigapixel photo?  It doesn't match up very well with the above photo.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

Did CNN use a photo from earlier in the day before everyone got there?  Looks like it to me.

[Irongrip400]

Yes, of course they did. But if Trump is on the left and Obama on the right, which one is Jay Cutler?

[TuHolmes]

Gigapixel matches up with this.




Unfortunately,

This is Obama's from the same angle.



Same Time.

Then there was this on USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/fact-check-inauguration-crowd-size/96984496/

There is also this Time Lapse on PBS

Look, it's obvious he didn't, but so what... It was rainy... It was cold... He won.

WHY DOES HE CARE?!

If he was smart, he would have stood up and said who cares? I'm in charge now.

[Pray_4_War]

Look, it's obvious he didn't, but so what... It was rainy... It was cold... He won.

WHY DOES HE CARE?!

If he was smart, he would have stood up and said who cares? I'm in charge now.

I don't really care if Trump had more people.  Obama was the first black President and Washington DC is a town that votes 70% to 80% Democrat.  You wouldn't have to be a genius to predict that Trump was gonna have less.

For me the issue is if CNN used a photo from earlier in the day and then compared it to a photo when Obama was speaking.  I do think that matters.  It's manipulative.

[Skeeter]

I don't really care if Trump had more people.  Obama was the first black President and Washington DC is a town that votes 70% to 80% Democrat.  You wouldn't have to be a genius to predict that Trump was gonna have less.

For me the issue is if CNN used a photo from earlier in the day and then compared it to a photo when Obama was speaking.  I do think that matters.  It's manipulative.

The photo of Obama's inauguration was taken at 11:30 by the Associated Press.
The photo of Trump's is actually a screen capture from the Youtube livestream and it was taken at 11:04.


http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14332462/photos-crowd-trump-inauguration-vs-obama

[TuHolmes]

I don't really care if Trump had more people.  Obama was the first black President and Washington DC is a town that votes 70% to 80% Democrat.  You wouldn't have to be a genius to predict that Trump was gonna have less.

For me the issue is if CNN used a photo from earlier in the day and then compared it to a photo when Obama was speaking.  I do think that matters.  It's manipulative.

I do not believe they did.

There was no point in it.

He is the President. Period. No one should give a shit about crowd size.

If I happened to run and be elected president, I would request inauguration be done inside, with a small group, no ticket sales, no parade, no ball, no luncheon, none of that shit.

Want to save money? Start with that shit.

Security in DC was 100 Million dollars for the inauguration. I wouldn't want to spend it.

[Pray_4_War]

Zoom the gigapixel photo all the way to the white building in the back.  It does not match what's being shown in the above photo.

Trump took his oath at Noon, did he not?  If the photo was taken at 11:04 that's an hour earlier.

[TuHolmes]

It is, but I believe that Obama took his oath at 12 Noon as well. (11:55) to be precise.

All Presidents recently have taken the oath at the same time, so the actual timeline is relatively the same.

[Pray_4_War]

It is, but I believe that Obama took his oath at 12 Noon as well. (11:55) to be precise.

All Presidents recently have taken the oath at the same time, so the actual timeline is relatively the same.

That's still a half an hour difference if Trumps picture was at 11:04 and Obama's was taken at 11:30.

An hour before the swearing in is significant.

[TuHolmes]

That's still a half an hour difference if Trumps picture was at 11:04 and Obama's was taken at 11:30.

An hour before the swearing in is significant.

Perhaps, but if you zoom in on the gigapixel, you can see that there is a lot of white space.

I don't think 500K people rolled into the area in an hour. Is there maybe some change, yes, but there's a lot of space open there. I think the reality is that he didn't really come close to the amount Obama had, and that's just reality.

The truth is that it doesn't matter. Not one damn bit.

[Ron]

He had less people there. Simple as that. Stupid for the press secretary to even debate or care about it on his first day. He made up for it by being smarter and more businesslike now, and moving ahead with the agenda that was promised.  Who except the liberal democrats give a crap.

He did have 31 million tv viewers, and 20 million internet streamers plus more.

Mute point, but all it did was give the liberals more firepower in nitpicking anything they can on Trump and his alternative facts.

[Skeeter]

That's still a half an hour difference if Trumps picture was at 11:04 and Obama's was taken at 11:30.

An hour before the swearing in is significant.

[Skeeter]

[Skeeter]

"Trump's 2017 inauguration ranks fifth in terms of television viewership: More people tuned in for the second inauguration of Richard Nixon, the inauguration of Jimmy Carter, the first inauguration of Ronald Reagan, and the first inauguration of Barack Obama."


"An analysis of news footage appears to indicate that fewer people attended President Trump’s inauguration than President Obama’s in 2009. The footage on this page was captured 45 minutes before each oath of office. Attendees were still entering the National Mall up until Mr. Trump’s speech."

"Public transit usage is also used to calculate crowd size. The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (Metro) reported that 570,557 Metro rides took place on 20 January 2017, a number little more than half the 1.1 million rides undertaken during Barack Obama's first inauguration in 2009, and still significantly lower than the 782,000 rides taken during President Obama's second inauguration in 2013. (These numbers measure the total number of rides recorded from the Metro's early morning opening through midnight, not just the number of rides occurring prior to the start of inaugural ceremonies.)"

"There are several problems with measuring online viewership. For one, there's no official body that tracks total views across all platforms. ComScore, a cross-platform Internet analytics company, told us that they did not have data on the inauguration's online viewership and that they weren't aware of any other company that would.
Another problem is that the way online viewership is measured is different than television. Web sites such as YouTube, for instance, measure the total number of people who click on a video but not the total number who view in its entirety. Nielsen, on the other hand, takes such factors into account before estimating total viewership.
Regardless of the problems inherent with measuring online viewers, Spicer stated that one network (CNN) carried nearly 17 million online streams of the inauguration, and when that total was added to the Nielsen numbers, it was clear that Trump's inauguration was the most viewed in history.
This claim, again, is problematic. CNN did not claim they had 17 million live online viewers for the inauguration; rather, they stated they experienced "17 million live video starts.""

"Furthermore, CNN recorded more live video streams (21 million) during President Obama's inauguration in 2009. While this factor certainly undermines Spicer's digital viewership claim, CNN is only one cable channel, and the numbers might be different if one were to consider another outlet such as the Fox News Channel with its Trump-friendly audience. (Those numbers are not available as of this writing.)
While Spicer claimed that Trump's inauguration had the largest audience in history due in large part to online viewership, that data simply isn't available. And the data that is available undercuts his claim."

"The "official" crowd size measurement for Donald Trump's inauguration is still unknown, but even President Trump's personal estimate (he guessed that 1.5 million people were in attendance) is below the 1.8 million mark estimated for Barack Obama's first inauguration in 2009."


http://www.snopes.com/trump-inauguration-viewership/

[Yamcha]

Someone zoomed in on the clock tower on that Trump pic... it says 1:15.

Like 45 min. after his speech.

Nobody can seem to get this right. lol

[loco]

Trump is just trolling.  He has been trolling libs since he said he was running for President of the USA.

[Skeeter]

Someone zoomed in on the clock tower on that Trump pic... it says 1:15.

Like 45 min. after his speech.

Nobody can seem to get this right. lol

"Without disputing Spicer’s claims about the total capacity of the area he describes, his summary claim that it was "full when the president took the Oath of Office" is demonstrably false. The following photographs taken by Reuters photographer Lucas Jackson show the mall from the top of the Washington Monument. Enlarging the pictures makes it possible to see video screens with President Trump delivering his inaugural speech, complete with visible captions that help establish the time at which they were taken."

"Some commenters have noticed that the clock face visible on the Smithsonian Tower shows a time of approximately 1:15. I spoke with the Smithsonian’s public affairs office, and they confirmed the clock is currently broken. This can be further seen in two photos (photo 1https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2017/01/all-of-this-space-was-full-a-photog-2/RTSWQCL/original.jpg, photo 2https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/photo/2017/01/all-of-this-space-was-full-a-photog-2/RTSWQGG/original.jpg) taken by the same photographer, from the same vantage point, during the Women’s March on the day after the inauguration, January 21. Both photos, obviously not taken in the same instant, show the hands on the clock face in the same 1:15 configuration."








From the women's march.






https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/01/all-of-this-space-was-full-a-photographic-fact-check/514253/

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[Yamcha]