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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #175 on: May 18, 2017, 06:09:03 PM »
Holy crap, he's investigating Einstein. Crazy shit!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #176 on: May 18, 2017, 06:10:40 PM »



I'm still a birther.    Obama was likely spawned in Kenya

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #177 on: May 18, 2017, 06:12:06 PM »
I'm still a birther.    Obama was likely spawned in Kenya

So which one is most legal to be President?

Cruz? McCain? Obama?

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« Reply #178 on: May 18, 2017, 06:38:29 PM »
I still am holding out hopes for saving US manufacturing, Closed Borders and the end of Bad Trade Deals.

Healthcare will be a complete disaster if he signs it into law as is.  Other than that, nothing really has been accomplished thus far.

Trump is still a much better choice than Hillary.  The main benefit is getting away from political correctness and victim mentality, although I am seeing alot of that "Victimhood" from the right.  They are still worthless on abortion, healthcare and Science and I am not sure if they will ever come to reason in those areas.  Anyways, hoping for the best!
Spot on analysis. Trump always has an excuse or someone to blame for his failures.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #179 on: May 18, 2017, 07:27:05 PM »
a true alpha male....what shape what conditioning... a true adonis an example for american youth to admire and aspire to be like.

Dude that is funny but that is John Daly and not Trump.
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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #180 on: May 18, 2017, 07:41:17 PM »
Name another first world country without universal coverage? Or name a political party in a non-US first world country that doesn't support universal care. I'm not being a smartass...I'm just asking you because I'm not aware of any, but maybe I'm wrong. And yes, the US does have great healthcare if you can afford it, so I won't argue that. But what about those that can't afford it? You know telling them to go to the emergency room doesn't solve anything because everyone else just ends up paying it anyway. And what about the fact that we spend more on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than any other country by far? Despite what conservatives like to say about countries like Canada or U.K., everyone I've spoken to from there would much rather have their system than ours. Why do conservatives think free markets will solve healthcare? Health insurance is not an ordinary good and shouldn't be treated like one. In your typical free market, companies want you as their customer and they try to attract you away from the competition through superior value, better customer service, lower prices, etc. The problem is if you are a 50 year old with a history of cancer, the health insurance companies really don't want you as a customer and definitely aren't going to fight over you through lower premiums, better benefits, etc. So if you take away that basic tenant of capitalism...that companies want you as their customer...the rest falls apart. Don't get me wrong... I think capitalism is great and is the primary driver of improving living conditions throughout the world, but there are just some industries where it doesn't solve everything...prisons and healthcare especially in my opinion.

If you think we should follow the route of Europe then prepare for bankruptcy, which unfortunately we are not far behind. You are completely wrong about the Free Market. They want as many healthy low consumption customers as they can find. If you get premiums from 10000 healthy individuals and ten are high consuming; it is a win for the insurance company. The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they expected those with pre-existing conditions to pay as much as a healthy 20 year old. Of course, that is a joke. I am not going to pay the same for a Ferrari as a Ford. If the insurance company knows you are high risk, you will likely have a higher insurance rate and deductible. It is called skin in the game. By trying to equalize everyone, insurers have left the exchanges in the ACA by droves.

I am a cancer survivor. I am also a physician. I expect to pay more for my insurance. I kind of expect to. I don't want a healthy 20 year carrying my load so to speak  ;). Now, my cancer was lymphoma, when I was 26 and I am now 46, and am 20 years out. Regardless, I would expect to pay more. Obama was right, insurance companies shouldn't flat out deny care for somebody with a pre-existing condition, especially those who did not contribute to their condition. However, the ACA did not really penalize smokers, overweight individuals, and more.

My biggest gripe with the whole issue. If you can smoke a 5 dollar pack of cigarettes daily, you can afford health insurance even catastrophic unless you are disabled or mentally challenged. I say double the taxes on "vice" products including alcohol to help offset medical expenses. Hospitals should have an open book clearly stating costs for test and studies. Bet non-medical people do not know that if you go to the hospital and get a CT scan emergently it would cost nearly 10000 dollars if you are uninsured. However, if you have United Health the cost would be at a negotiated rate with that insurance for say 1200 bucks.

Does the hospital get an uninsured person to pay for the 10000 dollar CT scan. No, they can however write it off against their tax bill. Pharma is a whole other story and in a nutshell I tend to agree with TA.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #181 on: May 18, 2017, 07:45:28 PM »
a true alpha male....what shape what conditioning... a true adonis an example for american youth to admire and aspire to be like.

It is eerie how similar in build and looks the Donald is to John Daly. John Daly is a tub of lard. Last President in shape was Bush.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #182 on: May 18, 2017, 07:58:35 PM »
Illegal Immigration at border down 70%
Illegals' arrests inside country up I think by 40%
Saved Supreme Court
Next retirement or death on SC imminent and will cement conservative majority for 20+ years
Travel ban will be reinstated as soon as it gets to Supreme Court
Meanwhile number of refugees coming in also down dramatically
Stopped TPP
Just filed notice to renegotiate NAFTA (now that his Trade Rep confirmed)
Sessions, Kelly, Mattis, Tillerson, DeVos, etc.
Hillary not president and never will be
Democrats driven so far to the left they will never win national office or a majority in House or Senate
Pussyhat Splodey heads

There's like 50 more things and hundreds more to come as he realigns R party

Going to be a sweet 8 years of whiny PC leftist tears

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #183 on: May 18, 2017, 09:00:08 PM »
So which one is most legal to be President?

Cruz? McCain? Obama?


Dude, you out yourself every time you post...lol

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #184 on: May 18, 2017, 09:50:57 PM »
Dude, you out yourself every time you post...lol

I know you aren't speaking to me. You should be happy I have been doing a good job of ignoring your buffoonery the past couple of days. You really don't want me to start paying attention to you do you?

I asked a very simple question. To which, no one has yet answered. I wonder why that is.

If believing that the idea of the POTUS not being a natural born citizen is "outing" myself... I guess I'm guilty of being outed as not a moron. Unlike yourself.

Do you want to try to answer the question, "Coach"?





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« Reply #185 on: May 18, 2017, 10:31:48 PM »
I know you aren't speaking to me. You should be happy I have been doing a good job of ignoring your buffoonery the past couple of days. You really don't want me to start paying attention to you do you?

I asked a very simple question. To which, no one has yet answered. I wonder why that is.

If believing that the idea of the POTUS not being a natural born citizen is "outing" myself... I guess I'm guilty of being outed as not a moron. Unlike yourself.

Do you want to try to answer the question, "Coach"?






Check your ego, son. Seriously. Dead serious.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #186 on: May 18, 2017, 10:34:10 PM »
Check your ego, son. Seriously. Dead serious.

Don't call me son you mental midget.

Be serious all you want. Doesn't change a word.

Gong to answer the question?

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« Reply #187 on: May 18, 2017, 10:38:29 PM »
Don't call me son you mental midget.

Be serious all you want. Doesn't change a word.

Gong to answer the question?

No, he's not going to.  You'll probably be lucky to get something like "Killary". 
Fucking retards.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #188 on: May 19, 2017, 02:56:41 AM »
You don't go from being an admitted socialist all of these years supporting Sanders (that to this day still talks shit about Trump) then all of the sudden being all in for a capitalist with mostly conservative values. If you support a one payer systems that in fact makes you a socialist. That's his position

At least be honest about your affiliation

Actually, you can go absolutely anywhere if you think for yourself and judge a situation based on the current merits, which can often change.

His previous affiliations were about promises (the pre election phase being a promises phase).  His current affiliation/sentiment pertains to misgivings about results and trajectory, so far.

It's actually very simple.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #189 on: May 19, 2017, 04:47:45 AM »
I know you aren't speaking to me. You should be happy I have been doing a good job of ignoring your buffoonery the past couple of days. You really don't want me to start paying attention to you do you?

I asked a very simple question. To which, no one has yet answered. I wonder why that is.

If believing that the idea of the POTUS not being a natural born citizen is "outing" myself... I guess I'm guilty of being outed as not a moron. Unlike yourself.

Do you want to try to answer the question, "Coach"?

McCain - born in Panama on a military base....eh dude that is essentially American territory in a foreign land. He is legit

Cruz - born in Canada to two entrepreneurs...theoreti cally not really but Canada is our bitch

Obama - born in Kenya ehr Hawaii...guess he was legit if you believe that document he provided

However, the issue of where you are born really needs to be amended. If you are a naturalized citizen and uphold our nations values and religious freedom, and have the ability to lead you should be electable. I surmise Netanyahu or Putin would run circles out of the idiots locally who I nickname the elite effete. Hope that helps.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #190 on: May 19, 2017, 04:51:28 AM »
So which one is most legal to be President?

Cruz? McCain? Obama?


Probably McLame since O-Fagget cant serve another term

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #191 on: May 19, 2017, 05:07:57 AM »
If you think we should follow the route of Europe then prepare for bankruptcy, which unfortunately we are not far behind. You are completely wrong about the Free Market. They want as many healthy low consumption customers as they can find. If you get premiums from 10000 healthy individuals and ten are high consuming; it is a win for the insurance company. The biggest problem with Obamacare is that they expected those with pre-existing conditions to pay as much as a healthy 20 year old. Of course, that is a joke. I am not going to pay the same for a Ferrari as a Ford. If the insurance company knows you are high risk, you will likely have a higher insurance rate and deductible. It is called skin in the game. By trying to equalize everyone, insurers have left the exchanges in the ACA by droves.

I am a cancer survivor. I am also a physician. I expect to pay more for my insurance. I kind of expect to. I don't want a healthy 20 year carrying my load so to speak  ;). Now, my cancer was lymphoma, when I was 26 and I am now 46, and am 20 years out. Regardless, I would expect to pay more. Obama was right, insurance companies shouldn't flat out deny care for somebody with a pre-existing condition, especially those who did not contribute to their condition. However, the ACA did not really penalize smokers, overweight individuals, and more.

My biggest gripe with the whole issue. If you can smoke a 5 dollar pack of cigarettes daily, you can afford health insurance even catastrophic unless you are disabled or mentally challenged. I say double the taxes on "vice" products including alcohol to help offset medical expenses. Hospitals should have an open book clearly stating costs for test and studies. Bet non-medical people do not know that if you go to the hospital and get a CT scan emergently it would cost nearly 10000 dollars if you are uninsured. However, if you have United Health the cost would be at a negotiated rate with that insurance for say 1200 bucks.

Does the hospital get an uninsured person to pay for the 10000 dollar CT scan. No, they can however write it off against their tax bill. Pharma is a whole other story and in a nutshell I tend to agree with TA.

You say you think the US will face bankruptcy if we follow the model of European countries....I don't buy it and neither do most economists. We spend a substantially higher portion of GDP for healthcare than any other country and our healthcare system isn't even top 25 in the world. Who cares if rich people can afford good care...most Americans aren't wealthy. And most European countries, with the exception of a few such as Italy, Greece, Spain, are in better financial health than us. You may be a doctor, but you are delusional about economics.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #192 on: May 19, 2017, 05:11:58 AM »
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World

The U.S. health care system has been subject to heated debate over the past decade, but one thing that has remained consistent is the level of performance, which has been ranked as the worst among industrialized nations for the fifth time, according to the 2014 Commonwealth Fund survey 2014. The U.K. ranked best with Switzerland following a close second.

The Commonwealth Fund report compares the U.S. with 10 other nations: France, Australia, Germany, Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, Norway, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the U.K. were all judged to be superior based on various factors. These include quality of care, access to doctors and equity throughout the country. Results of the study rely on data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the World Health Organization and interviews from physicians and patients.
Although the U.S. has the most expensive health care system in the world, the nation ranks lowest in terms of “efficiency, equity and outcomes,” according to the report. One of the most piercing revelations is that the high rate of expenditure for insurance is not commensurate to the satisfaction of patients or quality of service. High out-of-pocket costs and gaps in coverage “undermine efforts in the U.S. to improve care coordination,” the report summarized.

A striking take-home from the report was a need for equity throughout the nation. “Disparities in access to services signal the need to expand insurance to cover the uninsured and to ensure that all Americans have an accessible medical home,” it said. A lack of universal health care was noted as the key difference between the U.S. and the other industrial nations.Despite these shortcomings, positives noted include the breadth of reforms spearheaded by the Affordable Care Act, including new databases for transparent information and financial assistance for low-middle-income families in gaining coverage. “Those efforts will likely help clinicians deliver more effective and efficient care,” the report concludes.


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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #193 on: May 19, 2017, 05:21:09 AM »
I walked into a British NHS medical whats-it with a nasty red spot on my todger and I was seen to immediately.  Turned out it was a zit.  The physic entered into the spirit of the thing and even popped it for me.  
Total cost: My pride.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #194 on: May 19, 2017, 05:23:22 AM »
You say you think the US will face bankruptcy if we follow the model of European countries....I don't buy it and neither do most economists. We spend a substantially higher portion of GDP for healthcare than any other country and our healthcare system isn't even top 25 in the world. Who cares if rich people can afford good care...most Americans aren't wealthy. And most European countries, with the exception of a few such as Italy, Greece, Spain, are in better financial health than us. You may be a doctor, but you are delusional about economics.

There are a lot of economists who deride single payor healthcare also. Moreover, countries that implement the plan are smaller by a factor of ten. How are we going to pay or single payor when 50% of the populous is even paying taxes. There is only so much burden the higher fifty percent will bear. Apple has almost 275 billion overseas. Taxes are so heavy handed here that they will not bring the money back. So genius, since you are an economist, tell me succinctly how we are to pay for single payor.

Second, do you even have insurance. Do you get it on the exchange, group benefits, or unlikely military. Should we follow the VA model of healthcare. That is single payor also for that system. Have you ever worked in a VA. No, better question, are you even in healthcare. Are you some lib on the street with no comprehension at all of the system. Do you understand insurance? Do you understand how hospitals bill? Reasonable questions considering my take on you is that you frankly know little about the system and get your data from the HuffPost.

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« Reply #195 on: May 19, 2017, 05:27:11 AM »
Here for all my cronies on GB who I like (TA, SF1900) and those I don't (McClovin,AbrahamG)  ;D ;D:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/851264_1

Long article but it gives a perspective not often seen and is from one of the largest medical websites on the internet. The ideals of single payer are noble, but implementation and potential pitfalls are real. If you have the time, I strongly advise you read it.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #196 on: May 19, 2017, 05:42:52 AM »
Is there a reasons so many on GetBig care so much about healthcare  provided for free by the government?
Just get a fairly decent job.  Actually go to work.

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #197 on: May 19, 2017, 06:22:52 AM »
Don't call me son you mental midget.

Be serious all you want. Doesn't change a word.

Gong to answer the question?

1. I'll call you whatever the f**k I want and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it here or anywhere else

2. No, I'm not. I'm tired of rehashing the same damn things over and over again year after year. Go back read

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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #198 on: May 19, 2017, 07:19:54 AM »
Speaking objectively, it's clear that when Tu and Coach debate, Tu wins 99.9% of the time.

Tu is logical and coherent and presents factual evidence. Coach rants and raves and engages in Ad Hominem attacks by calling people "son," as if that is going to make his case stronger.

Coach, just calling it like it is.
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Re: Trump Administration a failure so far.
« Reply #199 on: May 19, 2017, 07:43:02 AM »
He ain't done shit.