Trump is the most poorly treated politician of all time?

[_bruce_]

The MSM owning many minds in this thread.

No politician ever had your best interests at heart.  Ignore these left/right paradigms, it's all theater.  The only thing that is certain is things get worse as time goes by, never better.  You're vote/opinion never counted and you do not have a say in what TPTB does, or is planning.  All you can do is take care of yourself and your own.  A very big financial, economic and social collapse is coming.  Prepare accordingly.

Pretty much.
There would of course also be a political, cleaner option but the system and people is rotten to the core.

[SF1900]

lol at Republicans saying how sensitive liberals are.

Shit, you think that people are making fun of their pops or something like that. Remember in 3rd grade when someone made fun of your mom or dad, it was on like donkey kong. This is how republicans are reacting when someone makes fun of Trump. Geez, get a grip. Trump doesn't care about you.

[a_pupil]

mandela spent his life fighting for democracy against a regime that allowed 10% of the population to vote (among various other barbaric practices).

after 27 years of incarceration he never held an ounce of malice for his jailers. if it wasn't for mandela's peaceful stance the end of apartheid would have been a complete bloodbath with all the whites either slaughtered or forced to flee. and no one could have really argued that they didn't deserve that.

tbf fair to the crackas, south africa is not a complete shithole like other african countries because of the hard work that they put in.

an example of hebrew stupidity (that our boy Mandela rose above) is uganda when they kicked out all of the prosperous indian community and subsequently ran all of their successful ventures into the ground.

[MorganSA]

^^ it's getting there. We are kind of on the edge of a government led meltdown. Much easier to take loot off of a sinking ship.

[bigkid]

Any solid Republican candidate (Rubio, Kasich, Paul...etc) would have won, some even by a bigger margin then Trump.  

No fucking way.

[TuHolmes]

No fucking way.

I think Cruz would have won pretty handily. Just an opinion of course.

That said, Romney really could have crushed it last year. Everyone would have given him the chance he didn't get in 2012. Including a lot of liberal minded people.

[bigkid]

I think Cruz would have won pretty handily. Just an opinion of course.

That said, Romney really could have crushed it last year. Everyone would have given him the chance he didn't get in 2012. Including a lot of liberal minded people.

Romney might have been able to win, but the other guys, no way.  Even Romney pulled back on going after Obama becasue he's part of that crowd.  Trump brought 10X the energy.  He was EVERYWHERE. All these republicans barely do interviews, they don't get out there, they're not unrelateable, unlikable. He broke the mold.

[Al Doggity]

He would have imo. After 8 years of Democrat rule, the Republicans were always in a strong position to win the election. Hillary was also an unpopular opponent.
Any solid Republican candidate (Rubio, Kasich, Paul...etc) would have won, some even by a bigger margin then Trump. 

No, trump had some specific things going for him.  There are people who are always going to vote dem and some who will always vote rep, but where trump really shined was the way middle of the roaders and hard liners could get the same message and hear exactly what they wanted. No other candidate was doing that. For some people he was a carnival barker who was just saying what he needed to say to get elected and for others everything he said was literal. He was dogmatic about a handful of issues, and it was in a way that no one with any political experience would have ever done. I think a big part of his appeal was that he was as plainspoken about race/race-related issues as he could get while still plausibly denying that he was a full on bigot. I think a lot of white people- from moderates to far righters- responded to him being unapologetic about saying things a lot of them were thinking  but that other candidates never would have said.

[TuHolmes]

Romney might have been able to win, but the other guys, no way.  Even Romney pulled back on going after Obama becasue he's part of that crowd.  Trump brought 10X the energy.  He was EVERYWHERE. All these republicans barely do interviews, they don't get out there, they're not unrelateable, unlikable. He broke the mold.

Which I do find interesting because he doesn't relate to those people really. He has never had the same problems that most of those people have or do have.

At least I can't see how. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, but he is just as privileged as any of the rest of them.

[bigkid]

Which I do find interesting because he doesn't relate to those people really. He has never had the same problems that most of those people have or do have.

At least I can't see how. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, but he is just as privileged as any of the rest of them.

You are correct, but he has some kind of way in connecting with working class people.  Maybe it's his work ethic or the fact that he's a builder.  I don't know.  I work in the farming industry in S. Florida.  He actually flew down and met with a group of us in October.  No presidential candidate as ever done that.  I saw his schedule that day.  He was meeting with us, flying to Orlando to meet with another group, then the panhandle to meet with some welders union and then back to Tampa for a huge rally.  People can say what they want about his other bad qualities, but the guy is a tireless worker.

[TuHolmes]

You are correct, but he has some kind of way in connecting with working class people.  Maybe it's his work ethic or the fact that he's a builder.  I don't know.  I work in the farming industry in S. Florida.  He actually flew down and met with a group of us in October.  No presidential candidate as ever done that.  I saw his schedule that day.  He was meeting with us, flying to Orlando to meet with another group, then the panhandle to meet with some welders union and then back to Tampa for a huge rally.  People can say what they want about his other bad qualities, but the guy is a tireless worker.

I don't think they can argue, that him at least reaching out to the working man, was the perfect campaign ideal. He did the right job there and it obviously worked out in his favor.

[Twaddle]

This man thinks differently

He was great in Shawshank Redemption.   

[Skeeter]

He was great in Shawshank Redemption.   

 

[SuperTed]

Romney might have been able to win, but the other guys, no way.  Even Romney pulled back on going after Obama becasue he's part of that crowd.  Trump brought 10X the energy.  He was EVERYWHERE. All these republicans barely do interviews, they don't get out there, they're not unrelateable, unlikable. He broke the mold.

No, trump had some specific things going for him.  There are people who are always going to vote dem and some who will always vote rep, but where trump really shined was the way middle of the roaders and hard liners could get the same message and hear exactly what they wanted. No other candidate was doing that. For some people he was a carnival barker who was just saying what he needed to say to get elected and for others everything he said was literal. He was dogmatic about a handful of issues, and it was in a way that no one with any political experience would have ever done. I think a big part of his appeal was that he was as plainspoken about race/race-related issues as he could get while still plausibly denying that he was a full on bigot. I think a lot of white people- from moderates to far righters- responded to him being unapologetic about saying things a lot of them were thinking  but that other candidates never would have said.

Trump did bring a lot of energy to his campaign but he was helped by being up against an unpopular and controversial candidate like Hillary. Even then, he still failed to win the popular vote against her. Had he been up against a Democrat with broader appear like Obama, he would have most probably lost by a wider margin then Romney and McCain did.
I agree that he successfully tapped into frustrations and fears of white America who liked his outspoken and blunt manner, but most of them would have still ended up voting for a Kasich or a Rubio over Hillary anyway.  

[SuperTed]

I think Cruz would have won pretty handily. Just an opinion of course.

That said, Romney really could have crushed it last year. Everyone would have given him the chance he didn't get in 2012. Including a lot of liberal minded people.

The biggest problem with Cruz was his religious fundamentalism. It would have alienated many voters who otherwise may have liked him.

[OLKE_TEXAS]

exactly. if you want to be treated presedential act presedential.

Jep

But maybe this out of the box style is the way to get the job done.
Most thought he would never make it to the whitehouse so who knows!
To me he is a total moron but hey he is the POTUS and I am nothing so who is the real moron here?

[Skeeter]

Jep

But maybe this out of the box style is the way to get the job done.
Most thought he would never make it to the whitehouse so who knows!
To me he is a total moron but hey he is the POTUS and I am nothing so who is the real moron here?

Still him. 

[Primemuscle]

Jep

But maybe this out of the box style is the way to get the job done.
Most thought he would never make it to the whitehouse so who knows!
To me he is a total moron but hey he is the POTUS and I am nothing so who is the real moron here?

It is interesting that you describe yourself this way. Why do you believe you are nothing?

[B_B_C]

To me he is a total moron but hey he is the MOTUS

[OLKE_TEXAS]

It is interesting that you describe yourself this way. Why do you believe you are nothing?

Thank you for your concern Prime.
I mean nothing compared to Trump in ways of political power or wealth.

[OLKE_TEXAS]

[Al Doggity]

Trump did bring a lot of energy to his campaign but he was helped by being up against an unpopular and controversial candidate like Hillary. Even then, he still failed to win the popular vote against her. Had he been up against a Democrat with broader appear like Obama, he would have most probably lost by a wider margin then Romney and McCain did.
I agree that he successfully tapped into frustrations and fears of white America who liked his outspoken and blunt manner, but most of them would have still ended up voting for a Kasich or a Rubio over Hillary anyway.  

That's unlikely. He did well in republican strongholds, but his saving grace was swing voters in economically collapsed battleground states.  These people weren't necessarily knee-jerk republican voters and republican candidates wouldn't have used the platform they were responding to.

[a_pupil]

He was great in Shawshank Redemption.   

heard he's pretty proud of his daughter for her stellar performance in that porno.

[Never1AShow]

I think Cruz would have won pretty handily. Just an opinion of course.

That said, Romney really could have crushed it last year. Everyone would have given him the chance he didn't get in 2012. Including a lot of liberal minded people.

This is the silliest thing I have read in a while.  Cruz was a bible beater southerner who could never have turned out Ohio, Pa, Wisconsin, or any of the blue wall states Trump crushed it in.  The only people who say this are leftists and what few Butthurt NeverTrumpers remain.

[TuHolmes]

This is the silliest thing I have read in a while.  Cruz was a bible beater southerner who could never have turned out Ohio, Pa, Wisconsin, or any of the blue wall states Trump crushed it in.  The only people who say this are leftists and what few Butthurt NeverTrumpers remain.

How would saying Cruz win be a left thing?

I mean, I would have voted for Cruz if there was no Gary Johnson.