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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2017, 08:21:19 PM »
Amazing what happens when someone with cojones actually listens to his military advisers. 

I talked to someone in the military who went through transgender training.  One of the training scenarios involved a woman who wants to become a man, starts the process, but in the middle of the process decides to have a baby before completing the transition to a man. 

How friggin twisted is that?? 

sorry to see you fell for Trumps lie

the military was not involved and had no forewarning of this tweet


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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2017, 09:06:30 PM »
sorry to see you fell for Trumps lie

the military was not involved and had no forewarning of this tweet



Oh look, the liberal minion is back and still in complete denial 😂😂😂😂

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2017, 09:42:36 PM »
Oh look, the liberal minion is back and still in complete denial 😂😂😂😂

what do you imagine I'm in denial about ?



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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2017, 10:26:59 PM »
what do you imagine I'm in denial about ?


Your sexuality and intelligence to start...

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2017, 07:04:09 AM »
Your sexuality and intelligence to start...
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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2017, 07:46:35 AM »
Your sexuality and intelligence to start...

nope, fully confident in both

a quick review of your posts would suggest otherwise

joint chiefs had no prior knowledge of Trumptards tweet on this subject

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2017, 07:49:18 AM »
sorry to see you fell for Trumps lie

the military was not involved and had no forewarning of this tweet



The pentagon said they didn't know trump was gonna issue a statement. I find it nearly impossible to believe based on the shat Gen Mattis has been putting out, that this was not discussed. This issue is not gays.....I had two gay troops..one was great and one was a shitbag. Neither case had anything to do with being gay. This is far different. If you are on these drugs, facing surgery, coming off surgery you can't deploy. 45% of these people contemplate suicide in some way...we carry weapons if you didn't realize that. I can't afford to risk the lives of medivac crews if you can't get your drugs and your at a FOB...or you get sick from complications...or whatever. This is a shit show. These people have an mental illness.
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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2017, 09:46:30 AM »
The pentagon said they didn't know trump was gonna issue a statement. I find it nearly impossible to believe based on the shat Gen Mattis has been putting out, that this was not discussed. This issue is not gays.....I had two gay troops..one was great and one was a shitbag. Neither case had anything to do with being gay. This is far different. If you are on these drugs, facing surgery, coming off surgery you can't deploy. 45% of these people contemplate suicide in some way...we carry weapons if you didn't realize that. I can't afford to risk the lives of medivac crews if you can't get your drugs and your at a FOB...or you get sick from complications...or whatever. This is a shit show. These people have an mental illness.

I'm aware the issue is not gays

I'm not aware that trans people are officially considered mentally ill.  I assume this is just your opinion but if you have some link to a to that conclusion by the military then please post it.  

I suspect that things like alcohol, drug abuse, depression and other truly diagnosed mental health issues are a much greater problem which effects deployment and readiness more than being trans.  I'm also sure that the health costs and downtime for any surgeries is a tiny fraction of all surgeries covered by military health plans

If you have some actual proof of a study done by the military that confirms these people can't do their jobs or are a danger to themselves or others then again, please post it

 http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/trump-military-transgender-ban-joint-chiefs/index.html

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The Joint Chiefs of Staff, including chairman General Joseph Dunford, were not aware President Donald Trump planned to tweet a ban on transgender service members, three US defense officials told CNN -- the latest indication that top military leaders across all four service branches were blindsided by the President's announcement.

For now, Dunford has informed service members that there will be "no modifications to the current policy until the President's direction has been received by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary has issued implementation guidelines."
"In the meantime, we will continue to treat all of our personnel with respect," Dunford wrote in a memo to the military that was obtained by CNN. "As importantly, given the current fight and the challenges we face, we will all remain focused on accomplishing our assigned missions."

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2017, 11:16:48 AM »
You're fucking kidding me right. Do you just spew this shit on threads without research....I don't, never have.

Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday....thats from USATODAY but the study is online now.

And the point is why am I going to train a fucking tranny then be unable to deploy him or her. Why am I going to burden the military with his/her medical issues. We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.

Tranny's as a mental illness - An earlier change occurred in 2013, when “gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), U.S. psychiatry’s bible for diagnosing mental illness. A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies.

They used to be nuts until somebody convinced the docs otherwise....but their suicide rates as compared to the rest of society still sort say they're nuts...not fit for service.

The wackjobs did what the gays did and went after the docs on transgender diagnoses.
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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2017, 12:04:04 PM »
You're fucking kidding me right. Do you just spew this shit on threads without research....I don't, never have.

Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday....thats from USATODAY but the study is online now.

And the point is why am I going to train a fucking tranny then be unable to deploy him or her. Why am I going to burden the military with his/her medical issues. We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.

Tranny's as a mental illness - An earlier change occurred in 2013, when “gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), U.S. psychiatry’s bible for diagnosing mental illness. A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies.

They used to be nuts until somebody convinced the docs otherwise....but their suicide rates as compared to the rest of society still sort say they're nuts...not fit for service.

The wackjobs did what the gays did and went after the docs on transgender diagnoses.

is gender dysphoria considered a mental illness

if so, then it should be really simple to keep them out of the military

is drug addiction and alcoholism a mental illness ?

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2017, 12:31:13 PM »
You're fucking kidding me right. Do you just spew this shit on threads without research....I don't, never have.

Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday....thats from USATODAY but the study is online now.

And the point is why am I going to train a fucking tranny then be unable to deploy him or her. Why am I going to burden the military with his/her medical issues. We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.

Tranny's as a mental illness - An earlier change occurred in 2013, when “gender identity disorder” was dropped from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), U.S. psychiatry’s bible for diagnosing mental illness. A new condition called “gender dysphoria” was added to diagnose and treat those transgender individuals who felt distress at the mismatch between their identities and their bodies.

They used to be nuts until somebody convinced the docs otherwise....but their suicide rates as compared to the rest of society still sort say they're nuts...not fit for service.

The wackjobs did what the gays did and went after the docs on transgender diagnoses.

OK, I lol'ed.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2017, 01:21:28 PM »
I have no problem with this on a policy level.

Two things I have an issue with:

1. You can't make policy from Twitter. You tell your Generals, they pass it down their chain of command and people in the service are notified by their superiors. Not a tweet. It's disrespectful to the service.
2. I have no problem with them using cost as a factor, if they choose to not want to pay for SRS, great. No problem. They better stop buying boner pills though.


We need a new class of tank and a new rifle....not a new class of whiny snowflake.


Don't talk to me about money for Tanks and shit when you're buying viagra by the truckload on the military dime. That's all.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2017, 02:00:41 PM »
Talking points galore in this thread.
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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2017, 02:46:29 PM »

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2017, 05:35:11 PM »




Excellent

No doubt our resident queer liberals
Will deny that it should be that way
& mentally ill folk who want to mutalate
Their bodies are just fine.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2017, 05:43:12 PM »


Excellent

No doubt our resident queer liberals
Will deny that it should be that way
& mentally ill folk who want to mutalate
Their bodies are just fine.

I have a female friend who is a stud.  Does marathons and triathlons.  Great athlete.  She was rejected by the Army because of eczema, which is totally controlled by medication.  Went all the way up the chain with appeals and they still deemed her medically unfit to serve.   

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2017, 06:07:10 PM »
I have a female friend who is a stud.  Does marathons and triathlons.  Great athlete.  She was rejected by the Army because of eczema, which is totally controlled by medication.  Went all the way up the chain with appeals and they still deemed her medically unfit to serve.   

Good point and very relevant.

The last couple  posts have motivated me to sound off on how I really feel about this issue.

As a US Marine, you were required to conform to very strict, rigid standards of uniform dress and bearing.
I was on the Marine power lifting team and some of us had to get ht/wt waivers.
For example, I was one of the lifters who had to get a body composition test .
Keep in mind, I'm 5'10" and competed in 198 lbs class , making me only a few lbs over the marine standard.
I got the waiver and understood why they required it.

It's a pretty simple concept at work here.
If you want to be a marine, you conform to THEIR standards of dress, appearance , hair style, etc.
When you're a US Marine, you act the part , look the part and will go to war If called .
As a member of the US military, you volunteer to be under the UCMJ* and waive your basic rights.
* Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I never served in combat, but went thru the training.
Most of it was tough , stressful and mentally exhausting.
They never asked me , if I wanted to do it. They simply ordered me to.
You know that going in and without a draft everyone is a volunteer.

If you want to be a drag queen or change your gender, that's NOT part of the USMC.
Those who want to do their own thing, fine and dandy.
BUT do so on your nickel ,as a private citizen.

The military recruits men and women of all races, creeds and faiths.
In my experience, it was the fairest organization I was ever involved with.
I don't think sticking with one gender is too much to ask to wear the uniform.



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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2017, 06:46:13 PM »
Good point and very relevant.

The last couple  posts have motivated me to sound off on how I really feel about this issue.

As a US Marine, you were required to conform to very strict, rigid standards of uniform dress and bearing.
I was on the Marine power lifting team and some of us had to get ht/wt waivers.
For example, I was one of the lifters who had to get a body composition test .
Keep in mind, I'm 5'10" and competed in 198 lbs class , making me only a few lbs over the marine standard.
I got the waiver and understood why they required it.

It's a pretty simple concept at work here.
If you want to be a marine, you conform to THEIR standards of dress, appearance , hair style, etc.
When you're a US Marine, you act the part , look the part and will go to war If called .
As a member of the US military, you volunteer to be under the UCMJ* and waive your basic rights.
* Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I never served in combat, but went thru the training.
Most of it was tough , stressful and mentally exhausting.
They never asked me , if I wanted to do it. They simply ordered me to.
You know that going in and without a draft everyone is a volunteer.

If you want to be a drag queen or change your gender, that's NOT part of the USMC.
Those who want to do their own thing, fine and dandy.
BUT do so on your nickel ,as a private citizen.

The military recruits men and women of all races, creeds and faiths.
In my experience, it was the fairest organization I was ever involved with.
I don't think sticking with one gender is too much to ask to wear the uniform.





 :o Jeez Howard are you feeling ok.!!

Good post.
We actually agree.
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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2017, 07:29:09 PM »

 :o Jeez Howard are you feeling ok.!!

Good post.
We actually agree.
😉

Thanks. Like I keep posting , on actual ISSUES most of you would tend to agree with me.
It's TRUMP the man , I'm opposed to based mostly on his temperament and inability to work with a diverse congress .
People WRONGLY assume, since I'm anti-Trump, I must be some flaming liberal that loves Hillary and Bernie.

Suffice to say, I'd be thrilled to have Pence as POTUS.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #44 on: July 27, 2017, 08:13:12 PM »
Good point and very relevant.

The last couple  posts have motivated me to sound off on how I really feel about this issue.

As a US Marine, you were required to conform to very strict, rigid standards of uniform dress and bearing.
I was on the Marine power lifting team and some of us had to get ht/wt waivers.
For example, I was one of the lifters who had to get a body composition test .
Keep in mind, I'm 5'10" and competed in 198 lbs class , making me only a few lbs over the marine standard.
I got the waiver and understood why they required it.

It's a pretty simple concept at work here.
If you want to be a marine, you conform to THEIR standards of dress, appearance , hair style, etc.
When you're a US Marine, you act the part , look the part and will go to war If called .
As a member of the US military, you volunteer to be under the UCMJ* and waive your basic rights.
* Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I never served in combat, but went thru the training.
Most of it was tough , stressful and mentally exhausting.
They never asked me , if I wanted to do it. They simply ordered me to.
You know that going in and without a draft everyone is a volunteer.

If you want to be a drag queen or change your gender, that's NOT part of the USMC.
Those who want to do their own thing, fine and dandy.
BUT do so on your nickel ,as a private citizen.

The military recruits men and women of all races, creeds and faiths.
In my experience, it was the fairest organization I was ever involved with.
I don't think sticking with one gender is too much to ask to wear the uniform.




that pretty much covers everyone

as long as they can do the job


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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2017, 08:32:17 PM »
Maybe soon Hollywood will make a "Screaming Queen - U.S. Marine" type series, like an action comedy or something.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2017, 11:44:10 PM »




that pretty much covers everyone

as long as they can do the job





Let's see you agree with the above statement.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2017, 04:50:10 AM »
Maybe soon Hollywood will make a "Screaming Queen - U.S. Marine" type series, like an action comedy or something.

I'd bet my left nut, the majority of USMC gender benders would be females wanting to be men.
Take one quick look at the female drill instructors to see they look more like Rambo then Cinderella. :o

I'd have much rather been in combat with one of those "tough girls" then that wimpy Bradley " Chellsey" Manning.

Having said that, I don't think the military needs to fund gender change operations.

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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2017, 09:08:35 AM »
Do you have any idea how many people we have kicked out for bad teeth. After my first tour I was assigned to help the units deploy our of Ohio. We'd mobilize and help assist in training them to deploy. We lost guys left and right for teeth. I honestly can't understand who they kicked out and who they fixed allowed to deploy but dudes were dropping left and right. You have zero right to expect to be allowed to join up unless you meet a fairly low standard. But trannies...fall under that line. This is a major mental health issue...these people pop themselves or consider suicide at a 45% rate....any u want to send em to combat. Enough..there are between 2 - 7K of em. Not enough to dedicate any extra time to.
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Re: Trump bans Trans-Gender in the Military
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2017, 09:10:37 AM »
Do you have any idea how many people we have kicked out for bad teeth. After my first tour I was assigned to help the units deploy our of Ohio. We'd mobilize and help assist in training them to deploy. We lost guys left and right for teeth. I honestly can't understand who they kicked out and who they fixed allowed to deploy but dudes were dropping left and right. You have zero right to expect to be allowed to join up unless you meet a fairly low standard. But trannies...fall under that line. This is a major mental health issue...these people pop themselves or consider suicide at a 45% rate....any u want to send em to combat. Enough..there are between 2 - 7K of em. Not enough to dedicate any extra time to.

Straw wasnt planning on joining anyway.   ;D  :D