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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2017, 03:24:50 PM »
100% agree, he's had this shoved onto him unfairly.

poor little President Snowflake

so unfair that this happened and he was too stupid to immediately repudiate these people and tell them to stop making claims in his name, etc...


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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2017, 03:27:15 PM »
Since the election I have been avoiding politics.

I am not fan of Trump.  What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.

But this latest thing  has been pretty disappointing to me.  It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB).  I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like,  "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."

Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.  

Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.

Did he not say something to the effect:  "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?

Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement.  But FFS.   ::)

Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?

Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?



Same with me, Oz.  If anything, it shows he's trying to avoid throwing it out of balance by pretending it's "OK" for one group, but not another.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2017, 03:30:11 PM »
poor little President Snowflake

so unfair that this happened and he was too stupid to immediately repudiate these people and tell them to stop making claims in his name, etc...



I just want them (MSM) to STFU and quit pretending to be a Free Press already.  Just come out and admit they have an agenda and maybe we can work forward from there.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2017, 04:05:08 PM »
Since the election I have been avoiding politics.

I am not fan of Trump.  What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.

But this latest thing  has been pretty disappointing to me.  It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB).  I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like,  "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."

Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.  

Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.

Did he not say something to the effect:  "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?

Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement.  But FFS.   ::)

Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?

Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?



He's alive!  :D

I've actually pulled back significantly as well.  I don't watch much of the network news.  I do record Tucker Carlson's show.  Stopped talking to people about politics for the most part.  A lot of them are still acting like little kids who had their ice cream cones fall and hit the pavement.

I've said this a few times, but the problem liberals and the MSM are going to have is they have cried wolf so many times and set the bar so low that Trump will only have to be mildly successful to get reelected.  Plus when he actually does do something bad, which is definitely possible, people aren't going to pay attention.  I don't believe any of the headlines I see from these "news" outlets at first glance. 

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2017, 04:49:43 PM »
Mother of Charlottesville Victim Thanks Trump
By Solange Reyner   |   Monday, 14 Aug 2017

Susan Bro, the mother of the Charlottesville victim who died when a driver smashed into a line of cars, pushing one into pedestrians, thanked President Donald Trump for "denouncing those who promote violence and hatred," according to a statement Monday provided to NBC News.

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Susan Bro, mother of Charlottesville attack victim Heather Heyer, thanks Pres. Trump for "denouncing those who promote violence and hatred"
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Trump said Monday the FBI and Justice Department were opening a civil rights investigation into the events that led to violent clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters and, the death of Heather Heyer, who died after James Fields allegedly rammed his car into a sedan, which hit a minivan into a crowd of pedestrians.

"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said at a Monday news conference, his strongest reaction yet to the violence over the weekend that resulted in Heyer's death and the death of two Virginia state troopers.

"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable," Trump said. "Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America."

Trump was slammed over the weekend for not immediately condemning white nationalists or white supremacists by name in his initial reaction, but his statements Monday were more forceful.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/heather-heyer-violence-terrorism-speech/2017/08/14/id/807601/

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2017, 05:05:51 PM »
How many protesters and counter protesters participated? 

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2017, 05:15:39 PM »
Since the election I have been avoiding politics.



So why are you still moderator on this forum?

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2017, 05:41:47 PM »
So why are you still moderator on this forum?

It's just because he's so damn good.

No, one of us can give hm a break if he wants.   ;D

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2017, 05:47:16 PM »
I think the situation's done it to many individuals.

There are friends I've had for many years, that I refuse to talk politics with anymore because they become too angry with me, too quickly.  They forget I've known them for so long that, when they make a ridiculous 180 on an issue, I'm right there to call them out on it from memory.  And there's been a LOT of that lately.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2017, 07:21:26 PM »
I hate to break it to you, but only one side showed bigotry.

This is NOT a left / right issue. Some of these people are NAZIS. National Socialists... You know... LEFTISTS as you call them.



I'm not denying one bit who showed the bigotry but I'm also seeing, yes the left, jumping on Trump and the right in general making blanket statements about how the entire right wing are ALL bigots. That alone makes it a right/left issue.  

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2017, 07:21:48 PM »
Obama and the left shove anti-white, identity politics shit down the throats of white America for 8 years and then the left is surprised that the people being shit on push back?

Trump didn't lose in Charlottesville....Every one of us lost.

To try to blame Trump for the stupidity that went on is asinine. The only regret is that the idiot in the car didn't run over the asswipe mayor or governor


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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2017, 07:38:10 PM »
I'm not denying one bit who showed the bigotry but I'm also seeing, yes the left, jumping on Trump and the right in general making blanket statements about how the entire right wing are ALL bigots. That alone makes it a right/left issue.  

Who said the entire right wing are all bigots? Show them to me and I'll call them morons as I would anyone who makes blanket statements.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2017, 09:47:23 PM »
Who said the entire right wing are all bigots? Show them to me and I'll call them morons as I would anyone who makes blanket statements.

Coach makes blanket statements about the liberal left all the time...he's just too dense to see his hypocrisy.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2017, 09:56:42 PM »
Coach makes blanket statements about the liberal left all the time...he's just too dense to see his hypocrisy.

Actually genius I don't. I do however make it towards political leftists in Washington who at least know the people who they are targeting their messages too (i.e. You, Strawman, Andreisdaman, Prime, Howard, etc) are too damn stupid to know right from wrong and will buy into anything they say.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2017, 04:43:48 AM »
Good to see these types of comments...   :-X
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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2017, 04:45:42 AM »
Also, it's good to see citizens taking down "racist" statues on their own! I can't wait until they go after Jefferson and Washington...  :-X

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« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2017, 06:04:46 AM »
Also, it's good to see citizens taking down "racist" statues on their own! I can't wait until they go after Jefferson and Washington...  :-X


That's nothing more than lemmings vandalizing property.

I'm sure all 3 will be outed on Twitter and fired from their jobs?

Political correctness disgusts me.


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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2017, 09:35:13 AM »
We are lost as a nation.
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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2017, 09:42:21 AM »
I'm not denying one bit who showed the bigotry but I'm also seeing, yes the left, jumping on Trump and the right in general making blanket statements about how the entire right wing are ALL bigots. That alone makes it a right/left issue.  

I agree Coach ( and already posted my views on this situation).

But the evil ass-clown of the day was the Neo-Nazi who drove his car into the crowd.
THAT was a terroristic act and no excuses can be made for it.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2017, 01:08:33 PM »
Libfag commies are just as bad as nazis if not worse

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2017, 01:09:53 PM »
Libfag commies are just as bad as nazis if not worse

Liberals are not necessarily communists. Just like conservatives are not necessarily Nazis.

Sweeping generalizations do not help here.

People are much more complicated.

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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2017, 01:19:07 PM »
Liberals are not necessarily communists. Just like conservatives are not necessarily Nazis.

Sweeping generalizations do not help here.

People are much more complicated.

Most liberals I see promote communist-lite policies.  Same can not be said of conservatives who promote free markets and laizee faire ideology   

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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2017, 01:42:11 PM »
Most liberals I see promote communist-lite policies.  Same can not be said of conservatives who promote free markets and laizee faire ideology   

That's not true at all. You see what you want to see. Nothing more.

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Re: Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2017, 02:01:19 PM »
Outstanding commentary.

Ok folks, here’s what REALLY happened in Charlottesville – and what everyone is missing
By Allen West
August 13, 2017

This past weekend I was honored to be in a most picturesque place with some great and hospitable folks in Prescott (Yavapai County) Arizona. I was there to address the Republican Women of Prescott, the nation’s largest Republican women’s club, on their 75th anniversary. The scenery there was just breathtaking and there was just a sense of solemnness that we all need experience from time to time. How great a contrast it was from what was happening across the country in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Let me begin by saying, I deplore any form of supremacist view — white, black, Hispanic, Islamic. I will be the first to openly state and embrace, a sense of American exceptionalism and supremacy that is rooted in our founding principles and values. Any and all else that is contradictory is to be condemned. What I have witnessed post the events of Saturday 12 August is the typical Rahm Emanuel mentality and political posturing: “never let a good crisis go to waste.”
Therefore, I seek to assess what really happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

First, may God rest the soul of 32-year-old Heather Heyer who tragically lost her life. My sincere condolences to her, her family, and those others who were injured. I fully support seeking the death penalty for 20-year-old James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio who committed this horrific act of violence. But, how did we get to this place?
This all began because someone decided, as other elected officials have across the country, to cave in to partisan political pressures and seek to erase American history. History is not there for us to love or hate, but for us to learn from and seek to not repeat its mistakes.

If there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression. And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues.

I certainly did not appreciate former President Barack Obama taking a photo op in Cuba before the image of Che Guevara, nor do I enjoy seeing anyone wearing said image on t-shirts here in America…but I do not go into some whimsical state of “oppression.”
And so it is that we do possess in this Constitutional Republic a freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It would appear that said group who didn’t wish to see the statue of Virginian, General Robert E. Lee, who was a commissioned U.S. Army officer, graduate of West Point, and served the nation in the Mexican War, taken down did apply for a permit to hold a rally. We can dislike these individuals, but they took proper measures to secure permission to express their First Amendment right.

Contrary to their position, the word went out for a counter-protest to occur which included groups from a different side of the political spectrum, who have also been very guilty of hateful rhetoric and violence. What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned. And we must also ascertain, did the counter-protest group seek permit or did they just “show up” in order to provoke, and elicit a response they could use “politically?” Yes, motivations are important to understand in this case, if we’re serious about getting to the bottom of what happened in Charlottesville and not just the typical media-driven frenzy.

I find it rather odd that so many are seeking to lay blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville. And there are some voices out there who want to blame all white people, and all Republicans. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said. As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame laid on Barack Obama. It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable.

But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism? Why must some be browbeaten into condemning the actions of a few, yet we have others who have fully admitted their support to groups calling for a “resistance?” And where were the voices to condemn the violence in Washington DC on Inauguration Day, or even at UC-Berkeley…or the violence committed against those who support the current president or hold beliefs aligned with Constitutional conservatism?

If we want to condemn groups such as the neo-Nazis and others, then we must also condemn groups such as BLM and Antifa. And we need to stop the cherrypicking, as they all should be investigated. Let’s end this absurdity of trying to connect the Republican Party with the Ku Klux Klan, since it was a creation of the Democrat Party. And I seem to recall Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, infamously known as a grand wizard of the Klan, lauded over at his memorial by Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was Senator Byrd who was vehemently against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who supported its passage.

James Alex Fields will be punished to the full extent of the law, and I truly believe he should never see the light of day again. But if we blindly do not realize there has been an atmosphere of hatred fomented in this nation, we are ignorant. Who even remembers the fella who attempted to gun down several Republican Members of Congress at a baseball practice, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise? The mainstream liberal progressive media pushed that aside rather quickly, and let us not forget MSNBC commentator, Joy Reid, who on her Sunday show actually sought to justify Rep. Scalise’s shooting because of his voting record. Now, where was the condemnation there, and why is it that Ms. Reid still has a position and a show on that network?
Fareed Zakaria praised the Central Park play depicting the “Caesar-like” stabbing to death of President Trump — last time I checked he was still on CNN. And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump?

There’s plenty of guilt to be passed around here, but the progressive socialist left will sadly exploit this for all they can. They will horribly believe this will provide them some sort of electoral advantage. They fail to realize they’re just as complicit in what happened in Charlottesville. Let me ask that age-old rhetorical question: “if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there, does it make a sound?”

If we were to go back and ponder this incident and just let a small group of disaffected individuals hold a rally to protest the possible taking down of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, and no one had showed up…Instead a call went out and trouble, violence ensued. Or maybe, if we had courageous elected officials who would just say, those statues aren’t offending anyone; they’re part of American history, and they stay. Imagine that, would there even be a story, any rally, and violence?

What happened in Charlottesville must not be allowed to happen again. And that means we need to hold ANY group responsible that promotes violence. “What do we want, dead cops; when do we want them, now”…”Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”…no more. Our streets aren’t the place for hoods and masks, such as Antifa wears, and their violence and destruction of property. Let’s call them all out, and not have this selective enforcement mentality rooted in partisan political hackery. If we don’t stop the blatant hypocrisy, which is truly the problem, then we’re sitting on a powder keg — which I believe some wish for.

I have an idea. If y’all want to fight, sign up in the U.S. military — if you meet the standards. There are plenty of folks who do indeed hate the United States. Channel your angst against them…not each other.

https://www.allenbwest.com/2017/08/13/ok-folks-heres-really-happened-charlottesville-everyone-missing/