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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2017, 12:16:24 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 12:44:02 PM »

Nah it's racist to assume football players would be thugs if they weren't playing football. If you don't see that as racist.. guess what... you're racist.  Smiley

Yes everybody's racist except white liberals who live in areas where there's no blacks. Where were you a cop, Mayberry?
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 12:55:06 PM »

Finally an owner with the stones to say what needed to be said.  But did it have to be the Dallas Cowboys?? 

Jerry Jones National Anthem Stance Puts Cowboys in MNF Spotlight
By Jen Krausz   |   Monday, 25 Sep 2017

During Monday Night Football's national anthem, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and his team will be in the spotlight after Jones said he does not approve of sitting or kneeling during the anthem.

ESPN does not normally televise the anthem for Monday Night Football but plans to do so tonight amid the national news story sparked by President Donald Trump's controversial comments in Alabama on Friday about athletes who protest by sitting or taking a knee during "The Star-Spangled Banner."

The protests also will be featured on ESPN’s “Monday Night Countdown” and it is expected the commentators during the game will discuss the controversy, The Wrap reported.

Jones, who donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration fund, said previously in multiple interviews that he thinks his players should stand to respect the flag.

No Cowboys player has protested during the national anthem up to this point, but the team has not made any announcement about what they plan to do Monday night.

Trump’s comments that NFL owners should fire players who don’t stand for the anthem prompted about 130 players to protest during Sunday's NFL games, including all but one of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Arizona Cardinals, the Cowboys' opponent tonight, have similarly not announced whether they plan to protest during the national anthem.

Many Twitter commenters felt Jones was right to expect players to stand for the anthem.

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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2017, 03:20:39 PM »

Gregg Jarrett: Trump is correct, NFL teams can legally fire players for their conduct
By Gregg Jarrett   
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The First Amendment does not protect National Football League players from being fired.

The Constitution’s freedom of expression applies only to government action, not private businesses.

The First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech.”  It says nothing about private action or reaction.  Thus, it is a public misconception that free speech or expression extends to the workplace.  It does not, as the U.S. Supreme Court has consistently ruled.   

Any business, as long as it is not connected to the government, is entitled to fire an employee for his or her speech and conduct within the workplace. The NFL and its teams are privately owned.  They are not constrained by the principles of the First Amendment.

The Player Contract

But beyond the Constitution, contract law allows any NFL team to terminate any player for behavior it deems to be injurious to the organization or the league.

Every professional player must sign the standard NFL player contract.  In it, the player promises as follows:

“To conduct himself on and off the field with appropriate recognition of the fact that the success of professional football depends largely on public respect for and approval of those associated with the game” (Paragraph 2). “ If player has engaged in personal conduct reasonably judged by the Club to adversely affect or reflect on the Club, then the Club may terminate this contract” (Paragraph 11).

This language makes it clear that a team will decide whether a player’s personal conduct adversely affects the club.  Since it is a subjective standard, NFL owners have enormous latitude and discretion to fire a player for reasons of conduct.

But that is not all.  The collective bargaining agreement negotiated by the players’ union and approved by the players themselves authorizes suspension or termination “for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football” (Article 46).

The players agreed in writing to conduct themselves with respect and refrain from conduct which is detrimental to the game.  There is nothing in either of these contracts which gives players a right to a political or social protest while in uniform at the commencement of a game.  Indeed, the league strictly enforces the wearing of patches and other symbols on player uniforms which are intended to promote causes.

Hence, the only question is whether kneeling during the national anthem as the stadium pays respect to the American flag constitutes detrimental conduct.  It does.   

Various polls show that a vast majority of Americans believe the player protests to be unpatriotic.  Fans seem disgusted and many have decided to simply stop watching.  The NFL television audience has dropped off.  If it continues, it could cost the teams hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising revenue, not to mention seats at games.   

But even if statistics do not reliably show that offended fans are damaging a team’s finances, it is not necessary.  If an NFL owner considers the players’ conduct to be disrespectful such that it reflects negatively on the club, this is enough for termination under the two contracts cited above.  And, again, the First Amendment does not provide protection.

There are some who alleged that firing players would constitute racial discrimination.  This misunderstands the law.  It is true that racial discrimination in the workplace is forbidden everywhere in America under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  But firing a player for his conduct is different than firing him for the color of his skin.

Owners, The Commissioner, Players

Don’t expect NFL owners to do the right thing by firing players.  They’ve been coddling them for years, paying lavish salaries and tolerating misbehavior that is now endemic in football.  Along the way, owners have become rich beyond imagination.  The players run the teams, not the owners.

Until owners see incontrovertible proof that their bank accounts are suffering from diminished audiences and revenues, they will continue to permit players to insult millions of Americans who believe that respecting the flag and the national anthem is a gesture of honor and decency.  It recognizes the immense sacrifices made so that all of us can live and prosper in liberty.

And don’t expect NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to do anything other than make the wrong choice.  His tenure has been notable only for a series of bad decisions and lining his own pockets with tens of millions of dollars.   

As for the players, most of them do not seem to understand what the flag and the national anthem truly represent.  They are not symbols of law enforcement in places like Baltimore or St. Louis where cases of race-related excessive force have become divisive, but something much larger and more meaningful.   

Standing while putting our hands over our hearts and paying homage to these two great symbols, one visual and one musical, signifies that all of us are thankful to be here in this great land of democracy.  It expresses our mutual respect and gratitude to the generations of Americans in uniform who fought and died so that we may live in freedom.

Disrespecting the flag is the equivalent of desecrating it.  We should all be offended, regardless of our differences. 

President Trump had the temerity to say what needed to be said.

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« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2017, 03:25:27 PM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-defends-trump-nfl-feud-praises-nascar-article-1.3520459

Trump praising his base, dotard nascar mouth breathers.
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2017, 04:19:56 PM »


I'll take them over your "base."


http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year_end_2015_enforcement_report.pdf

The race/ethnicity of known Robbery suspects is primarily Black (69.2%). Hispanic suspects account for an additional (24.9%) of the suspect population.


White suspects account for (4.0%) of all Robbery suspects while Asian /Pacific Islanders accounted for (1.8%) of known Robbery suspects




https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680


The CDC confirms that, following an extended period of general decline, the overall homicide rate -- as well as the homicide rate within each racial group -- has increased from 2014 to 2015. In 2015, the homicide rates were (per 100,000 population):


20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)

4.9 for Hispanics


2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)
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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2017, 04:30:17 PM »


Who do you think is going to run in 2020 against the "dotard"?
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2017, 04:39:24 PM »

I'll take them over your "base."


http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year_end_2015_enforcement_report.pdf

The race/ethnicity of known Robbery suspects is primarily Black (69.2%). Hispanic suspects account for an additional (24.9%) of the suspect population.


White suspects account for (4.0%) of all Robbery suspects while Asian /Pacific Islanders accounted for (1.8%) of known Robbery suspects




https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/10/african-american-homicide-rate-nearly-quadruple-national-average-11680


The CDC confirms that, following an extended period of general decline, the overall homicide rate -- as well as the homicide rate within each racial group -- has increased from 2014 to 2015. In 2015, the homicide rates were (per 100,000 population):


20.9 for blacks (non-Hispanic)

4.9 for Hispanics


2.6 for whites (non-Hispanic)
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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2017, 04:43:07 PM »

Who do you think is going to run in 2020 against the "dotard"?
Who knows. The whole government is a joke, that unfortunately effects our lives.
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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2017, 04:57:42 PM »

Trump blasts athletes protesting national anthem -- here's what the NFL says
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As President Donald Trump battled with athletes over their protests during the national anthem, some National Football League teams decided to stay in the locker room while the “Star-Spangled Banner” played on Sunday.

The Pittsburgh Steelers, Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans all opted to come out to the field after the anthem was over. Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin said the decision was made by the team “not to be disrespectful to the anthem but to remove ourselves from this circumstance.”

Even though the teams tried to take themselves out of the debate, many people on social media called for them to be punished by the NFL.

Trump said Friday that NFL players who do not stand for the national anthem should be fired and called on the league's commissioner, Roger Goodell, to make the players stand.

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What do the NFL rules state about the anthem?

The NFL’s 2017 rule book does not include guidelines – or any mention of – the national anthem. It does stipulate that both teams need to be on the field at least 10 minutes prior to the scheduled kickoff at the start of the game.

Detroit Lions players take a knee during the national anthem before an NFL football game against the Atlanta Falcons in Detroit, Sunday, Sept. 24, 2017. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)
Some players of the Detroit Lions take a knee during the national anthem before the game against the Atlanta Falcons.  (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

However, the NFL’s game operations manual requires that “all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.”

“Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses,” it says, according to the Washington Post.


JERSEY SALES OF STEELERS PLAYER WHO STOOD DURING NATIONAL ANTHEM SOAR

A viral social media post misattributes NFL “rules” that during the anthem, “players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand and refrain from talking.” The post cites pages A62-A63 of the rulebook but the distinction is actually made in the “NFL Game Operations Manual.”

The manual, according to the NFL, operates as a "bible," with around "200 pages of procedures and policy for regular season games alone."

What has the NFL said?

The NFL said Monday that it would not punish teams that skipped the national anthem before their games Sunday.

“There will be no discipline handed down this week,” spokesman Joe Lockhart told reporters Monday. He added that the NFL is not considering discontinuing playing the national anthem ahead of games.

“Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the National Anthem,” the NFL said in 2016 when former San Francisco 49ers player Colin Kaepernick garnered national attention for kneeling in protest when the anthem was played.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/25/trump-blasts-athletes-protesting-national-anthem-heres-what-nfl-says.html
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2017, 05:07:58 PM »

I'll bet you get real mad when they race at a road course. Shit gets confusing when they don't only turn left.

Yet another self hating white liberal. Take the black and Puerto Rican cock out of your mouth, and stop pretending that your "base" is a bunch a Harvard grads when they're really just ghetto rats, feminazis and libtard dicklickers.

I know it's an inconvenience truth for you but even white men without Mensa level IQs outperform the various factions of your garbage can joke of a "base."
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2017, 05:57:07 PM »

The flag is a symbol of freedom which includes the freedom of political protest




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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2017, 07:33:21 PM »

The flag is a symbol of freedom which includes the freedom of political protest




And as predicted, your leftist, uneducated minions are taking a beating for it. You'll never learn.
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2017, 07:40:27 PM »

And as predicted, your leftist, uneducated minions are taking a beating for it. You'll never learn.

only our phony coach would be dumb enough to shit on a 97 year old WW II vet who actually understands what the flag represents
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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2017, 07:55:17 PM »

only our phony coach would be dumb enough to shit on a 97 year old WW II vet who actually understands what the flag represents

You justify your stupidity by one person?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2017, 07:57:48 PM »

You justify your stupidity by one person?  Roll Eyes

tens of millions of people in this country understand what the flag represents

all these guys are doing is kneeling

when did we all agree that this was "disrespecting" the flag

kneeling is about the most passive form of political protest one can even think of

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCeESg9Ev8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCeESg9Ev8</a>
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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2017, 08:05:50 PM »

tens of millions of people in this country understand what the flag represents

all these guys are doing is kneeling

when did we all agree that this was "disrespecting" the flag

kneeling is about the most passive form of political protest one can even think of

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCeESg9Ev8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCeESg9Ev8</a>

Fair enough.

But Trump will use that angle to his advantage and systematically destroy the Democrat party with the upcoming 2018 and 2020 election.
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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2017, 08:10:03 PM »

Fair enough.

But Trump will use that angle to his advantage and systematically destroy the Democrat party with the upcoming 2018 and 2020 election.

maybe

maybe not

have you ever seen a situation like this before
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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2017, 08:13:44 PM »

maybe

maybe not

have you ever seen a situation like this before

Just where do you think all of this stemmed from?
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« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2017, 08:18:21 PM »

maybe

maybe not

have you ever seen a situation like this before

I have never seen a person with Trump's political ability in my life. So no.

Bill Clinton would be second place but not even he even comes close to approaching Trump when it comes to FURTHERING his own agenda.

He will gain and pick up seats and power whereas Obama simply lost constantly and ultimately drove his political party into a ditch.
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« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2017, 08:23:03 PM »

Just where do you think all of this stemmed from?

Self created "conflict" a la Trump

some thing he's always done

Are we talking about the crisis in Puerto Rico or the story that came out today about the ~ 6 people in his administration (including his son-in-law and daughter) using private email for official White House business or the ~ 100 people that were arrested at the Senate Finance Committee meeting today or the failure (again) of Repubs attempt to negotiate with themselves over the repeal of the ACA?
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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2017, 08:26:06 PM »

I have never seen a person with Trump's political ability in my life. So no.

Bill Clinton would be second place but not even he even comes close to approaching Trump when it comes to FURTHERING his own agenda.

He will gain and pick up seats and power whereas Obama simply lost constantly and ultimately drove his political party into a ditch.

his "political ability" so far consists of exactly one thing

losing the popular vote and winning the Electoral College vote

he has demonstrated ZERO political skills for the job he occupies

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« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2017, 08:31:10 PM »

his "political ability" so far consists of exactly one thing

losing the popular vote and winning the Electoral College vote

he has demonstrated ZERO political skills for the job he occupies



And achieving a filibuster proof 60 seat majority in the senate in about 13 months during the first mid term election of his presidency.

But I will be here to remind you of it when it all goes down.  Cool

Obama lost seats in droves because of his weak skills as a President. He would go on to lose around a 1000 seats total. Complete and utter failure.
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2017, 08:37:20 PM »

And achieving a filibuster proof 60 seat majority in the senate in about 13 months during the first mid term election of his presidency.

But I will be here to remind you of it when it all goes down.  Cool

Obama lost seats in droves because of his weak skills as a President. He would go on to lose around a 1000 seats total. Complete and utter failure.

I didn't realize you had a time machine

remind me all you want

it all comes down to the the american people and YOUR PARTYS tolerance for a fraud

at some point he actually has to get some shit done

I'm open to the premise that he's just holding back the scary talent that HE ALONE has to fix all our problems



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« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2017, 08:39:30 PM »

I didn't realize you had a time machine

remind me all you want

it all comes down to the the american people and YOUR PARTYS tolerance for a fraud

at some point he actually has to get some shit done

I'm open to the premise that he's just holding back the scary talent that HE ALONE has to fix all our problems





Actually yes I do.  Cool

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