NFL - Trump - Kneeling - Discussion

[Coach is Back!]

This is liberalism out to destroy football and soon to be sports in general. Think about it. Concussions are real but now there are questions about the validity of some of this research being bias. Then there are the changing of the rules in the NFL about the intensity of the game and if a player hits another the wrong way, it's a fine or an ejection or both. The game is played softer and players are pissed and now there is this total 100% bullshit fabrication much like the "hands up don't shoot" narrative and even though it's already destroying the game (and there are MUCH more people against the kneeling and blatant disrespect ) yet still the players, coaches and the NFL higher ups continue to let this happen. So the question should be , what's REALLY going on?

Liberalism literally destroys everything it gets it's hands on.

NFL's Week 4 sees dozens of NFL players kneel, raise fists during national anthem

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/01/nfls-week-4-sees-more-kneeling-during-national-anthem.html

[SF1900]

Soon, sports will be something of the past.

A LOT of people are posting on social media that they found more worthwhile things to do on a Sunday afternoon (instead of watching Football). These people were offered a great opportunity to experience something different, and are now realizing that they could be engaged in a variety of other activities. Sometimes we just need to experience something different. Naturally, some will gravitate back toward football once the protests stop. However, many may never go back and if they do, it will be to a lesser extent.

[Royalty]

On a different note; I can't believe that Eli Manning had a rushing touchdown today.

[Coach is Back!]

Soon, sports will be something of the past.

A LOT of people are posting on social media that they found more worthwhile things to do on a Sunday afternoon (instead of watching Football). These people were offered a great opportunity to experience something different, and are now realizing that they could be engaged in a variety of other activities. Sometimes we just need to experience something different. Naturally, some will gravitate back toward football once the protests stop. However, many may never go back and if they do, it will be to a lesser extent.

This is a DIRECT result of the disrespect of  flag and country

[Thin Lizzy]

If you just expect Ghetto behavior from the Ghetto you won’t be so shocked and disappointed.


Btw, No one cares about football anymore, Coach.

[The Scott]

Fuck 'em.  Black.  White.  Player.  Coach.  Whatever.  Fuck their noise.

I hope to Buddha that the NFL loses more revenue and people stay away forever.  There's more to life than watching a spoiled fucktard run around playing a kid's game for millions and whining about how oppressed they be 'n' sheit.

These buttwipes deserve to be shunned and booed.  Buncha OJs in waiting.  FTA.

[SF1900]

This is a DIRECT result of the disrespect of  flag and country

What if some person realized that hiking was more productive than sitting on your ass watching football. He's experiencing nature and becoming more healthier. A way better use of time than sitting in front of the tv, stuffing yourself with nachos, and watching football. Who cares what reason(s) propelled him to make a lifestyle change--the most important thing is that this person is making better use of his time, which will benefit his health and his overall well-being. I am not overly concerned what makes someone change. I am more concerned that they are experiencing more positive behaviors--the reason means little to nothing to me.

[Thin Lizzy]

It’s not an easy time for strength and conditioning coaches as they watch their cash cow go down the toilet.

[Conker]

if it is true that NFL fans are actually stopping watching games because players take part in peaceful protests before the game which have no impact on the game, it just shows how sh1tty the sport and or fans must be.

football fans (real football with a round ball) would never stop watching games over nonsense like that. maybe the peeps are just waking up to how sh1tty these sports are.

or probably more likely just loads more people bootlegging the games (same thing happening in europe) as people are sick of paying extortionate prices to the cable companies and the quality of paid bootleg services are now extremely good for a fraction of the price.

[Royalty]

From what I've read, it seems that most Americans are siding with Trump on the 'Trump vs NFL' issue.

[Skeletor]

What a "sport"...

[Thin Lizzy]

Essentially all pro sports are in decline. The Internet has Decentralized entertainment to the point where it’s really more about niche markets these days.

A bunch of ghetto rats kneeling for the national anthem is pretty much just greasing the skids in football but the same thing is happening in other games and sports.

Not too many brothers in NASCAR and golf and they’re both going down the drain as well:



NASCAR is struggling to adapt to a changing sports climate - SBNation.com

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/11/14054898/nascar-ratings-attendance-decline

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/the-masters-had-its-lowest-tv-rating-in-13-years-why

[Anna Recksiek]

In 2009 the nfl started getting paid to have players come out and salute the flag or stand around with their hands on their hearts or whatever. Before then the players would wait for the anthem to play then come out of the locker room to play. Now it's biting their ass to have players not stand for the anthem.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yp89dj/stephen-a-smith-points-out-nfls-paid-patriotism-problem

[Coach is Back!]

Personally, I can't wait for the TV ratings tomorrow to see how much further they've dropped. They need a wake up call.

[Straw Man]

Personally, I can't wait for the TV ratings tomorrow to see how much further they've dropped. They need a wake up call.

damn, you have a really boring life

I hope these guys keep choosing to express their political beliefs, if only to watch idiots like you get all worked up about it (and even more so for the idiot currently occupying the White House)

[SF1900]

Whatever the reason, lets hope sports continue to decline with the eventual elimination of at least the major sports.

[Coach is Back!]

It’s not an easy time for strength and conditioning coaches as they watch their cash cow go down the toilet.

They make more in College football anyway of course depending on the school and division.

[Coach is Back!]

Whatever the reason, lets hope sports continue to decline with the eventual elimination of at least the major sports.

Says the econ genius. 

[SF1900]

Says the econ genius.  

You don't have to be an economics expert to know that society will go on without sports, although it will definitely take some adjustment. You're acting like society will cease to be with the elimination of sports. Will society just blink out of existence without sports? Times will perhaps be tough when it first occurs; but humans will adjust. We always have.

Further, you don't know shit about science and/or research, yet you talk about it. So, I guess I don't have to know shit about economics to talk about it. See how that works.

[Coach is Back!]

You don't have to be an economics expert to know that society will go on without sports, although it will definitely take some adjustment.

Further, you don't know shit about science and/or research, yet you talk about it. So, I guess I don't have to know shit about economics to talk about it. See how that works.

How the fuck do you know what I know or don't know? What the fuck makes you think that I don't HAVE to keep up with certain studies that are related to precisely this because 1. I work with over 170 kids a day, on the side lines at games along with the AT, Chiro, Ortho a long with my own business that we STAFF medical disciplines that are certified in concussion protocol along with OUR OWN AT, Chiro and PT with an offsite Ortho at our disposal. Tell you what hot shot, the next time we (MPF) holds another yearly seminar addressing concussions, I'll let you and then you fly your scientific ass our or send one your west coast surrogates out here to observe.

Just for the record, as a coach as with all HS coaches, we are required by the state to learn the protocol and be tested on it and be certified in the protocol, signs and symptoms....it's more of a formality than anything.  

You have ask out of all the years we've known about concussions, now just within the 5 or so years all of the sudden you have all of these lawsuits coming out of nowhere. Now, another lawsuit that will be pending that Aaron Hernandez' concussions caused his actions.........give me a fucking break

[Fuzzy Nuts]

How the fuck do you know what I know or don't know? What the fuck makes you think that I don't HAVE to keep up with certain studies that are related to precisely this because 1. I work with over 170 kids a day, on the side lines at games along with the AT, Chiro, Ortho a long with my own business that we STAFF medical disciplines that are certified in concussion protocol along with OUR OWN AT, Chiro and PT with an offsite Ortho at our disposal. Tell you what hot shot, the next time we (MPF) holds another yearly seminar addressing concussions, I'll let you and then you fly your scientific ass our or send one your west coast surrogates out here to observe.

Just for the record, as a coach as with all HS coaches, we are required by the state to learn the protocol and be tested on it and be certified in the protocol, signs and symptoms....it's more of a formality than anything.  

What a load of shit.

[SF1900]

How the fuck do you know what I know or don't know? What the fuck makes you think that I don't HAVE to keep up with certain studies that are related to precisely this because 1. I work with over 170 kids a day, on the side lines at games along with the AT, Chiro, Ortho a long with my own business that we STAFF medical disciplines that are certified in concussion protocol along with OUR OWN AT, Chiro and PT with an offsite Ortho at our disposal. Tell you what hot shot, the next time we (MPF) holds another yearly seminar addressing concussions, I'll let you and then you fly your scientific ass our or send one your west coast surrogates out here to observe.

Just for the record, as a coach as with all HS coaches, we are required by the state to learn the protocol and be tested on it and be certified in the protocol, signs and symptoms....it's more of a formality than anything.  

You have ask out of all the years we've known about concussions, now just within the 5 or so years all of the sudden you have all of these lawsuits coming out of nowhere. Now, another lawsuit that will be pending that Aaron Hernandez' concussions caused his actions.........give me a fucking break

1) How the fuck do you know what I know or don't know? How do you know I don't have a minor in Economics? If you can indirectly assert that I know nothing of economics (by rolling your eyes), than I can indirectly assert that you know nothing about science/research. You make a blind assertion. I make a blind assertion in return. See how that works?

2) When I talk about not knowing anything about science and research, I am talking about examining the underpinnings of research methodology and/or statistics in order to determine the validity and/or reliability of a study. Sure, you can comprehend the basics of what the article says (X works or Y doesn't work). However, you do not understand the underlying research methodology and/or statistics that drew that conclusion. You don't understand why someone would use a Chi-Square vs. MANOVA vs. Regression Analysis vs. Mann-Whitney U Test vs. T-test vs. Spearman/Pearson Correlation, etc. You wouldn't understand how to interpret an effect size to determine the strength of the relationship between two variables. Hate to break it to you, but the average person can open up a research article and read the conclusion section. Understanding science is more than just understanding what the conclusion of an article says (Bench pressing builds pecs). The fact that you did not mention any of the above terms, leads me to believe you know the VERY basics of science (how to read the conclusion section). Congratulations, you can read the abstract and conclusion of a science paper. However, that is not what I am referring to when discussing a true understanding of science and research. When professionals discuss science, they just do not examine the conclusion section (overview of results); they examine EVERYTHING in the article, including the underlying research methodology/ and or statistical procedures in order to accurately determine how accurate the results are. You can't do that, hence you take the results at face value.

[Coach is Back!]

1) How the fuck do you know what I know or don't know? How do you know I don't have a minor in Economics? If you can indirectly assert that I know nothing of economics (by rolling your eyes), than I can indirectly assert that you know nothing about science/research. You make a blind assertion. I make a blind assertion in return. See how that works?

Case in point right here. I'm assuming you have a minor in econ but seem to favor liberal theories of economics that clearly have never worked in the long run. I've mentioned one my athletes that graduated with a degree in Economics from UCLA yet voted for a socialist in Bernie Sanders. Feel free to explain this?  

2) When I talk about not knowing anything about science and research, I am talking about examining the underpinnings of research methodology and/or statistics in order to determine the validity and/or reliability of a study. Sure, you can comprehend the basics of what the article says (X works or Y doesn't work). However, you do not understand the underlying research methodology and/or statistics that drew that conclusion. You don't understand why someone would use a Chi-Square vs. MANOVA vs. Regression Analysis vs. Mann-Whitney U Test vs. T-test vs. Spearman/Pearson Correlation, etc. You wouldn't understand how to interpret an effect size to determine the strength of the relationship between two variables. Hate to break it to you, but the average person can open up a research article and read the conclusion section. Understanding science is more than just understanding what the conclusion of an article says (Bench pressing builds pecs). The fact that you did not mention any of the above terms, leads me to believe you know the VERY basics of science (how to read the conclusion section). Congratulations, you can read the abstract and conclusion of a science paper. However, that is not what I am referring to when discussing a true understanding of science and research. When professionals discuss science, they just do not examine the conclusion section (overview of results); they examine EVERYTHING in the article, including the underlying research methodology/ and or statistical procedures in order to accurately determine how accurate the results are. You can't do that, hence you take the results at face value.

Not going to deny you're mostly right in your assumption but I do take the time to get into the study other than the abstract and conclusions and to determine what I feel is correct or off,  but that in no way means certain studies are not bias. Very few studies are conclusive. But when I'm talking about studies, I'm not referring to concussion prevention, I'm referring to PCS (Post Concussion Syndrome) that can be detected years after a players retirement. These are the studies that are the cause of the sudden influx of lawsuits. My conclusion to this is, the studies are much like Global Warming studies where most are left bias studies.

[SF1900]

Not going to deny you're mostly right in your assumption but I do take the time to get into the study other than the abstract and conclusions and to determine what I feel is correct or off,  but that in no way means certain studies are not bias. Very few studies are conclusive. But when I'm talking about studies, I'm not referring to concussion prevention, I'm referring to PCS (Post Concussion Syndrome) that can be detected years after a players retirement.

Who wrote that in red?

Anyway, I don't know much about economics; I know how to pay my bills on time, save money and have more than enough money to live a happy life. That's about it in terms of economics. I mean, I know the very basic of economics, just like you know the very basics of science. Just accept it for what it is. Lets not pretend to know any more than we do.

How do you determine what is correct or not, if you do not understand research methodology and/or statistics?  For example, how do you determine if the researcher should have used an ANOVA instead of a MANCOVA? You cannot determine if the research methodology is appropriate if you do not understand these terms.

No science paper in any peer-reviewed journal would say their results are conclusive in the strict sense. Show me one instance where a scientist said in a peer-reviewed journals, "My results are conclusive. There is nothing left to study." You will not find this. Science is about PROGRESS and learning MORE.

Of course studies are biased. And studies are BIASED in EVERY field. You know how you determine if a research paper is biased? By understanding the research methodology and/or statistics. This allows you to accept results from studies that have the most sound research methodology and statistics and disregard those research papers with poor methodology and statistics.

[The True Adonis]

This is liberalism out to destroy football and soon to be sports in general. Think about it. Concussions are real but now there are questions about the validity of some of this research being bias. Then there are the changing of the rules in the NFL about the intensity of the game and if a player hits another the wrong way, it's a fine or an ejection or both. The game is played softer and players are pissed and now there is this total 100% bullshit fabrication much like the "hands up don't shoot" narrative and even though it's already destroying the game (and there are MUCH more people against the kneeling and blatant disrespect ) yet still the players, coaches and the NFL higher ups continue to let this happen. So the question should be , what's REALLY going on?

Liberalism literally destroys everything it gets it's hands on.

NFL's Week 4 sees dozens of NFL players kneel, raise fists during national anthem
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/01/nfls-week-4-sees-more-kneeling-during-national-anthem.html

And yet here you are, still watching and supporting this shit.

Find something else to lust after.