Why do communists and/or socialists feel so morally superior to others?

[Thin Lizzy]

I can't for the life of me understand why capitalist slaves continuously defend their miserable conditions of existence by aping rhetoric they learned from bad-faith cultural critics?

This is what I’m talking about.

In Venezuela, you have poor fucks waiting for hours on supermarket lines just to get a piece of moldy bread. Here in capitalist slave United States you have useless ghetto rats managing to get up to 300 pounds before they even hit adulthood.

[muscleman-2017]

I can't for the life of me understand why capitalist slaves continuously defend their miserable conditions of existence by aping rhetoric they learned from bad-faith cultural critics?

Pay attention guys, this is what I was talking about.

We have a real live one here.

[el numero uno]

This is what I’m talking about.

In Venezuela, you have poor fucks waiting for hours on supermarket lines just to get a piece of moldy bread. Here in capitalist slave United States you have useless ghetto rats managing to get up to 300 pounds before they even hit adulthood.

I've talked to communists on social media and they're nuts.

They have a twisted perception of reality.

- they think only physical labor creates wealth, therefore every business owner is making money out of his/her employees.

- they fail to realize that 9 out of 10 businesses fail in the first five years. You just don't hire a few employees, oppress them and become rich.

- they believe in conspiracy "theories" and think that all economic problems in socialists states are caused by the US or the "bourgeoisie".

- they assume that everyone is capable of running a successful business (ain't that funny).

- they all hate the US.

- they all think highly of themselves and claim to be very intelligent.

[loco]

[Thin Lizzy]

I've talked to communists on social media and they're nuts.

They have a twisted perception of reality.

- they think only physical labor creates wealth, therefore every business owner is making money out of his/her employees.

- they fail to realize that 9 out of 10 businesses fail in the first five years. You just don't hire a few employees, oppress them and become rich.

- they believe in conspiracy "theories" and think that all economic problems in socialists states are caused by the US or the "bourgeoisie".

- they assume that everyone is capable of running a successful business (ain't that funny).

- they all hate the US.

- they all think highly of themselves and claim to be very intelligent.

Every point made is spot on. That’s why it makes no sense to argue with these people. They’re too fucked up.

[Soul Crusher]

Yup  - F socialism and communism 

I've talked to communists on social media and they're nuts.

They have a twisted perception of reality.

- they think only physical labor creates wealth, therefore every business owner is making money out of his/her employees.

- they fail to realize that 9 out of 10 businesses fail in the first five years. You just don't hire a few employees, oppress them and become rich.

- they believe in conspiracy "theories" and think that all economic problems in socialists states are caused by the US or the "bourgeoisie".

- they assume that everyone is capable of running a successful business (ain't that funny).

- they all hate the US.

- they all think highly of themselves and claim to be very intelligent.

[residue]

Because they're not slaves, and they realize they live in one of the wealtiest nations in the world, with a quality of life superior to the one other countries possess.

Ever wondered why people risk their life so they can go to capitalist countries, where they become illegals and have no rights whatsoever? I don't see many people going to Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea.

I swear some of you have a twisted perception of what poverty is.

If they're under 35 they're more than likely talking about Nordic model\social democracy\democratic socialism, if you look at every metric available you can see that all of those countries rank higher than america in quality of life

[Thin Lizzy]

If they're under 35 they're more than likely talking about Nordic model\social democracy\democratic socialism, if you look at every metric available you can see that all of those countries rank higher than america in quality of life

As I said there’s no point in arguing with this type of mental illness.


However, for those with a normal mentality, Sweden build up its wealth through capitalism and then the welfare state took over. If you look at every Swedish company that’s world-class they’re all like 100 years old. There’s nothing new and innovative going on right now in Sweden:


“Volvo was established in 1915 as a subsidiary of SKF, the ball bearing manufacturer; however the Volvo Group and Volvo Cars consider themselves to have been officially founded on 14 April 1927, when the first car, the Volvo ÖV 4 series, nicknamed as "Jakob", rolled out of the factory in Hisingen, Gothenburg.[3] The building remains (57°42′50″N 11°55′19″E”




How the Welfare State Corrupted Sweden | Mises Institute

Per Bylund

https://mises.org/library/how-welfare-state-corrupted-sweden

Decent morality is long gone. It was completely destroyed in little more than two generations — through public welfare benefits and the concept of welfare rights.

[phreak]

I've talked to communists on social media and they're nuts.

They have a twisted perception of reality.

- they think only physical labor creates wealth, therefore every business owner is making money out of his/her employees.

- they fail to realize that 9 out of 10 businesses fail in the first five years. You just don't hire a few employees, oppress them and become rich.

- they believe in conspiracy "theories" and think that all economic problems in socialists states are caused by the US or the "bourgeoisie".

- they assume that everyone is capable of running a successful business (ain't that funny).

- they all hate the US.

- they all think highly of themselves and claim to be very intelligent.

Good points. It seems they always either ignore IP or are entirely ignorant of its existence.

And yes, everyone can run a successful business. The only reason leftists aren't all millionaires is because they choose not to be.

[el numero uno]

If they're under 35 they're more than likely talking about Nordic model\social democracy\democratic socialism, if you look at every metric available you can see that all of those countries rank higher than america in quality of life

The ones I've talked to are huge fans of Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union.

[Thin Lizzy]

The ones I've talked to are huge fans of Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union.

The author of the piece I posted was born in Sweden and his family has lived there for several generations. I heard him in a podcast say that when he was growing up, people on TV were always praising the old Soviet Union system.

[Parker]

If they're under 35 they're more than likely talking about Nordic model\social democracy\democratic socialism, if you look at every metric available you can see that all of those countries rank higher than america in quality of life

They won't for long. And I think they also had high rates of depression and suicide.

[Thin Lizzy]

They won't for long. And I think they also had high rates of depression and suicide.

The dope is comparing what was a until recently a heterogeneous, isolated country of 10 million to a geographically, racially and economically diverse country of 300 million. It’s a ridiculous comparison but when you have to rationalize a failed ideology you do what you can.

[calfzilla]

The dope is comparing what was a until recently a heterogeneous, isolated country of 10 million to a geographically, racially and economically diverse country of 300 million. It’s a ridiculous comparison but when you have to rationalize a failed ideology you do what you can.

My favorite is when the compare the US to Iceland.

[cephissus]

This is what I’m talking about.

In Venezuela, you have poor fucks waiting for hours on supermarket lines just to get a piece of moldy bread. Here in capitalist slave United States you have useless ghetto rats managing to get up to 300 pounds before they even hit adulthood.

And why should I compare myself to a venezuelan? If he is worse off than me, I should be grateful?

Would you tell him, "be grateful you aren't forced to rape your sister, kill your father, and dig until you're unceremoniously shot at the bottom of a mine"?

Would you then travel to the African and tell him, "at least you aren't an ape (albeit just barely) who lives every second in fear of predation and will certainly be torn to bits before he's old. Be grateful for your steady work!"

[muscleman-2017]

Would you tell him, "be grateful you aren't forced to rape your sister, kill your father, and dig until you're unceremoniously shot at the bottom of a mine"?

ha ha you just described communism.

[phreak]

And why should I compare myself to a venezuelan? If he is worse off than me, I should be grateful?

Would you tell him, "be grateful you aren't forced to rape your sister, kill your father, and dig until you're unceremoniously shot at the bottom of a mine"?

Would you then travel to the African and tell him, "at least you aren't an ape (albeit just barely) who lives every second in fear of predation and will certainly be torn to bits before he's old. Be grateful for your steady work!"

An honest discussion would center on why he is worse off, and recognise that communism will always fail. Which may not make capitalism a perfect system, but it sure makes it better than communism.

[el numero uno]

And why should I compare myself to a venezuelan? If he is worse off than me, I should be grateful?

Would you tell him, "be grateful you aren't forced to rape your sister, kill your father, and dig until you're unceremoniously shot at the bottom of a mine"?

Would you then travel to the African and tell him, "at least you aren't an ape (albeit just barely) who lives every second in fear of predation and will certainly be torn to bits before he's old. Be grateful for your steady work!"

Nobody said you should compare yourself to a venezuelan.

The post you quoted implies food in Venezuela is scarce and expensive, while in the US is the complete opposite.

[cephissus]

Nobody said you should compare yourself to a venezuelan.

The post you quoted implies food in Venezuela is scarce and expensive, while in the US is the complete opposite.

Sorry, I guess I thought the implication is that capitalism is great because capitalists arent begging for bread.

[Viking11]

Done arguing online, especially politics. The left has done such a good job of showing me how "tolerant" they are. I will never attempt it again. It does not mean I agree, it means that if you cannot define your terms, expect them accepted without definition or real world examples, then i simply cannot engage in any meaningful dialogue with you. Blank assertions, logical fallacies and attacks ad hominem are not intellectual discussion or debate. so I will post cat pics. that is all humanity is apparently ready for...

[Slapper]

Aside from what I've already posted about communists/socialists... my other beef is this: Of all I've read about communism and socialism, my take away is...

1) It's a gradually return-diminishing exercise. Dirty little secret of communism is that, just as any economic system, they need to trade with others in order to temporarily survive. And not just trade, they either need a trade surplus or an insane abundance of a natural resource. Eventually either the resource is exhausted or the trade surplus comes to an end. When this happens, the economy takes a nosedive and cannot recover from it. See USSR. OR, take a look at any European countries that went socialist right after 9/11 and see how they fared when the credit crunch came down on everyone. Spain comes to mind. So does Greece and Italy. The socialists basically went on a spending bonanza and dismissed warnings from the ECB about the dangers of draining the safety-net funds. They didn't even give a shit. They continued on financing things like bonus pay for the retirees, sex changes in foreign countries, free medical care for anyone who wanted it (regardless of legal status,) et cetera.  

2) It requires an insane amount of people to be killed to be implemented. See China or Stalin's Soviet Union. The trail of death is really astonishing.

3) It eventually dies out. No surprise here. There isn't a single communist country in the world that has been able to implement communism without force for more than 100 years. China is an exception because it has embraced an economy that is, let's not kid ourselves, "capitalistic" and it's so God Damned big that, after almost a thousand years of living by themselves in isolated communities without the help of the State, people don't require or demand anything from the central government. So, if you have a population of 1.4 billion souls and only 35-40% of those living in the country actually require any resources from the government, it's not a surprise that those resources can be used somewhere else. Some parts of China are so remote that the government itself does not collect any taxes because it would cost them more to travel to these communities than what would be collected, so they leave them alone.  

[Purge_WTF]

 They don't. If anything, they feel inferior and covet other peoples' stuff and want the government to redistribute it.

[falco]

For the life of me... I can't comprehend how the disciples of such a murderous and vile ideology feel they have the moral upper hand over others. Yet, in every TV show, in every newspaper, in every radio station, in every debate, there's always a fucking commie that IMHO should be invited to leave 1 second in.

Why???

Because they are a bunch of sick fucks trying to hide their own deviancy.

[Joe Pietaro]

Here's the part that pisses me off the most: as a right wing conservative, I don't try and sway others towards my political views. As a matter of fact, I don't want any liberal converts because they are soiled for life in that regard. But they, on the other hand, want to post their argument to everyone who doesn't agree with them as if we are all of a sudden going to "come to our senses."

[Thin Lizzy]

They don't. If anything, they feel inferior and covet other peoples' stuff and want the government to redistribute it.

It’s understandable why this ideology would be popular among college age kids.

They’ve been living on their parents dime for their entire lives and are now facing the prospect of fending for themselves. Under those conditions, the concept of “free everything“ sounds awesome.

Of course, the plan starts to fall apart when the question comes up of whether the people providing all the free stuff will also be working for free.