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Enzo newest victim of #metoo
« on: January 22, 2018, 04:44:12 PM »
WWE Cruiserweight champion Enzo being accused of rape.  ::)

http://www.tpww.net/2018/01/woman-accuses-enzo-amore-of-rape/

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Re: Enzo newest victim of #metoo
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 04:55:33 PM »
Interesting times we live in. 

These are harsh accusations and if true he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. But if she went through a mental hospital and never got a rape kit/test (and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the assumption these can indicate if a rape or forceable entry has occurred) or the accusation is false she should be incarcerated and be forced to pay him for lost income.


Its obvious now that Kobe raped a woman and hes still celebrated. Today some one makes a claim and you're assumed guilty. I don't know what's the correct or best way to handle it

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 04:58:14 PM »
Interesting times we live in. 

These are harsh accusations and if true he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. But if she went through a mental hospital and never got a rape kit/test (and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the assumption these can indicate if a rape or forceable entry has occurred) or the accusation is false she should be incarcerated and be forced to pay him for lost income.


Its obvious now that Kobe raped a woman a
nd hes still celebrated. Today some one makes a claim and you're assumed guilty. I don't know what's the correct or best way to handle it

How is it obvious he raped the girl?

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Re: Enzo newest victim of #metoo
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 05:05:00 PM »
How is it obvious he raped the girl?

Based on his testimony,   the hospital rape kit and his apology:

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SPORTSRAPE CULTURESEXUAL ASSAULTWrestling With Kobe Bryant’s Forgotten ApologyAfter being cleared of rape charges in 2003, the basketball star conceded that the absence of consent may have occurred. Here’s why that matters in 2016.

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Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant speaks after the last NBA basketball game of his career on April 13, 2016, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo / Jae C. Hong)

 

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Kobe Bryant ended his Hall of Fame NBA career in legendary fashion with 60 points on an astounding 50 shots last Wednesday in front of a star-studded hometown crowd. It was just the 17th victory of the season for the Los Angeles Lakers, but that didn’t stop Hollywood and the sports world from coming together to burnish a basketball icon.

As is always the way in these Internet days, all of this hegemonic hagiography was accompanied by counter-takes at the margins. Examinations of Kobe’s high-volume shooting style or critiques of the way he drove away teammates like Shaquille O’Neal and Dwight Howard were there for those who wanted to find them.

The piece that grabbed a hold of me however—and I just can’t get it out of my head—was “The Legacy of the Kobe Bryant Rape Case,” by Lindsay Gibbs. It looked at the rape charges levied against Bryant in Eagle County, Colorado, back in 2003, and the ramifications of his lawyers’ scorched-earth approach toward rape survivors. This criminal case never went to trial, of course, after Bryant’s alleged victim refused to cooperate, and any civil case that could have arisen was settled out of court. It’s a common story when the wealthy and powerful are accused of sexual assault.

But then there was Kobe Bryant’s apology. I had not read his statement in 13 years, and it’s a stunning artifact. After years of reporting on Steubenville, the Notre Dame/Lizzy Seeberg case, Ben Roethlisberger, Patrick Kane, and so many more of these all-too-frequent stories where sports meets sexual assault, it left me wide-eyed, with more questions than answers.

Before reading, please keep in mind that the apology was made after the case was dismissed, and there is no evidence that Bryant was compelled to make this as part of the civil settlement of the case.

It reads:

First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado. I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter. I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.


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Re: Enzo newest victim of #metoo
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 05:27:26 PM »
How is it obvious he raped the girl?

he paid her a couple million to leave her alone

if you are innocent of a crime are you going to pay them millions to leave you alone?

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 05:36:59 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 05:44:18 PM »
Interesting times we live in. 

These are harsh accusations and if true he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. But if she went through a mental hospital and never got a rape kit/test (and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the assumption these can indicate if a rape or forceable entry has occurred) or the accusation is false she should be incarcerated and be forced to pay him for lost income.


Its obvious now that Kobe raped a woman and hes still celebrated. Today some one makes a claim and you're assumed guilty. I don't know what's the correct or best way to handle it


Kobe is a real pos, but liberals in LA love him and he gets a free pass

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Re: Enzo newest victim of #metoo
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 05:45:36 PM »
he paid her a couple million to leave her alone

if you are innocent of a crime are you going to pay them millions to leave you alone?

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Isn’t that what Big Ben did too under the table?

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 06:12:33 PM »
He fell for some crazy pussy, and it got him -

http://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/953944161316626432 .

She's selling private snapchats, quoting rap lyrics about fucking, etc.... days before, yet she's scared :-\.

Also the premise of her hanging out with them was her winding up possibly sucking cock at the end of the night. She wasn't opposed to it -

http://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/955496170414985216 .


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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 09:05:50 AM »
No police report, no rape kit.  Claims it happened 4-5 months ago.  Claims everyone else left and it was just him and her.  Says she was "way fucked up".  Accused him on twitter, rather than going to law enforcement.  She's not making a compelling case. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 10:01:59 AM »
No police report, no rape kit.  Claims it happened 4-5 months ago.  Claims everyone else left and it was just him and her.  Says she was "way fucked up".  Accused him on twitter, rather than going to law enforcement.  She's not making a compelling case. 

She also came out with the announcement during the WWE's "crowning moment" the 25th anniversary of the RAW tv show, it was very thought out.

It's unfortunate because rape is a horrific act and many women stay silent because of the backlash (and if it's someone famous the (social) media scrutiny is even worse.

The girl hasn't done herself any favors with her social media persona, alleged activities the night of the encounter and that's not saying she is bad or can't post whatever/however she wants. But her actions "paint" a picture that indicate she knew what she was getting involved with. AGAIN  I'M NOT SAYING SHE HAD TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM OR DESERVED TO BE RAPED.

I'm sure "Enzo" isn't just his character and I'm willing to bet the story and conversation she told was accurate but I'm also curious how much of this is sour grapes or her regretting her decision and then changing the events in her mind (I have nothing to base this off of and she may be telling the truth 100% and I'm completely wrong and of course she could have been down for whatever and could have changed her mind at ANY point and if so that is rape....... but both parties need to execute better judgement)

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Re: Enzo newest victim of #metoo
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2018, 10:11:38 AM »
i'd expect no less from a bonafide g and a certified stud... and ya can't teach that.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 10:17:32 AM »
he paid her a couple million to leave her alone

if you are innocent of a crime are you going to pay them millions to leave you alone?

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damage limitation says yes....
Just because you haven't done something doesnt mean you will be found not guilty

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 10:48:48 AM »
I must have my head in the sand or something. I read the responses and "support" from her Twitter followers and can't believe there's people who buy into her shit. Them telling her they love her, what the fuck is that?

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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 11:17:35 AM »
I must have my head in the sand or something. I read the responses and "support" from her Twitter followers and can't believe there's people who buy into her shit. Them telling her they love her, what the fuck is that?

You have to look at the context of our time. Acknowledging this is brave because of the backlash.

We have a case going on where an Olympic doctor fondled and molested every female gymnast he came across for 20 years and the girls who expressed  their feelings that something strange was occurring were admonished to keep their mouth shut or in one case a girls father said she was lying and tried to make her apologize to the Dr.

Then there's the Hollywood stories....

True or not you have to be "brave" to make these claims and stand behind them.

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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 11:22:07 AM »
he paid her a couple million to leave her alone

if you are innocent of a crime are you going to pay them millions to leave you alone?

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Yes, anybody earning NBA money will.

And reading his apology, he clearly states HE BELIEVES its was consensual.

Taking a plea-deal and going to jail or prison for a crime you didn't commit is much much different than paying 2 million to have the girl go away (which is what she wanted anyways), rather than pay 10 million dollars in legal fees fighting the case.

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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2018, 11:25:36 AM »
Yes, anybody earning NBA money will.

And reading his apology, he clearly states HE BELIEVES its was consensual.

Taking a plea-deal and going to jail or prison for a crime you didn't commit is much much different than paying 2 million to have the girl go away (which is what she wanted anyways), rather than pay 10 million dollars in legal fees fighting the case.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 11:47:33 AM »
Kobe got an 8-15million dollar discount by paying her cash. Not a chance was he ever going to jail. Plus a "jury" or judge may look at him as some rich, entitled athlete who doesn't deserve the money he's paid and side with the girl just because they hate their life and think "its not fair" he makes so much money and should spread it around to others just because they want it.

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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 11:54:57 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2018, 12:13:01 PM »
Yes, anybody earning NBA money will.

And reading his apology, he clearly states HE BELIEVES its was consensual.

Taking a plea-deal and going to jail or prison for a crime you didn't commit is much much different than paying 2 million to have the girl go away (which is what she wanted anyways), rather than pay 10 million dollars in legal fees fighting the case.

What did you think his apology would be, him saying hes sorry he raped her?

Did you know when the police showed up to his room he told them he didn't know who they were talking about and that no one was in the room, then said she came to the room with room service, then after more pressing he said he should have done what Shaq did and paid her off to stay silent.....

Why even give an apology before the civil case?

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 01:19:43 PM »
No more suspension. Enzo got canned:



Enzo Amore Accuser Speaks Out, 'I Said 'No' Countless Times' | TMZ.com

http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/23/enzo-amore-accuser-philomena-sheahan-rape-wwe


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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 02:23:20 PM »
No more suspension. Enzo got canned:



Enzo Amore Accuser Speaks Out, 'I Said 'No' Countless Times' | TMZ.com

http://www.tmz.com/2018/01/23/enzo-amore-accuser-philomena-sheahan-rape-wwe



That's bullshit. The only thing Enzo is guilty of is sticking his dick in crazy. You can tell she is just regretting the sex probably pissed he didn't spend money on her. Rape is horrible and it's a shame these whores try to turn their whorish regrets into rape.

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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 02:49:49 PM »
What did you think his apology would be, him saying hes sorry he raped her?

Did you know when the police showed up to his room he told them he didn't know who they were talking about and that no one was in the room, then said she came to the room with room service, then after more pressing he said he should have done what Shaq did and paid her off to stay silent.....

Why even give an apology before the civil case?

I asked why it was obvious he raped the girl and you said it was because of what he said in the apology. Yet in his apology he made it clear couldn't believe he raped her.

And as far as what he said to the police, saying he didn't know who they were talking about, what exactly did you expect him to say? And of course he would think he "should have paid her off to stay silent", you think this is type of thing is rare?

It takes a certain kind of man to rape a woman, and I can't see a guy loke Kobe, who has dozens if not hundreds of gold digging groupies offering him pussy, ass, and oral every time he steps out the door, including hotel staff. Whether it's just to say they fucked a famous guy, or to get a lottery ticket pregnancy, or to say "rape" and get a settlement. I couldn't imagine even getting hard much less staying hard and busting a nut fucking a girl who I knew didn't want to fuck me... Much less him, with a dozen girls waiting in the lobby just to be picked.

Nothing about it makes sense.

How many times does the girl regret fucking a dude After the fact, and claim rape? I could claim rape after fucking a good 10-12 of the girls I slept with, because I let the girl initiate sex the first time I'm with him about 98% of the time if not a hundred percent... And I just go along with it so I don't hurt their feelings. How many of those girls stopped to ask "do you consent to intercourse with me"? That's not even counting the times when dancing at a bachelorette party, or any party for that matter, and a girl took out my dick and puts it in her mouth.

Is it ok or cool rape a girl? Fuck no. But guys who rape girls tend to be sexual predators, and their sexual preferences need them to be turned on by that sort of thing. Those dudes don't deserve to go to jail, they deserve to be hung from a tree. Because as with any other sexual preference, there's no Rehabilitation for it. And given the opportunity they'll repeat the behavior over and over again. Not to mention they will do their best to position themselves where that opportunity will present itself as often as possible. Which is why you have a child molesters commonly working in schools or in coaching positions were there around children as much as possible. Same goes with priests. You will always see a pattern. You cannot rehabilitate somebody like that. Just like you can't take me being attracted to short curvy girls with dark hair and dark eyes, and rehabilitate me into being attracted to tall skinny blonde hair blue-eyed girls. Sure I can act "as if" and even marry a tall skinny Barbie doll looking girl, however I'm always going to be attracted to short curvy Asian girls, Islanders, and Latinas and if the opportunity arises, I'll end up sleeping with one or having an affair or whatever. Same thing was gay guys you can't rehabilitate them into being attracted to women. Given the opportunity they're still going to fuck a dude.

Point is, there's always a pattern, and a guy who is accused of rape, it's usually not the first time, and even if he gets off and beats the charges, Hill rape again and eventually word will get out again and again and again. We've heard nothing of the sort of Kobe. Which is not likely in the age of the internet.

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 03:15:58 PM »
I asked why it was obvious he raped the girl and you said it was because of what he said in the apology. Yet in his apology he made it clear couldn't believe he raped her.

No I said based on his testimony and the rape kit results he was guilty and his apology. If you think that he thought it was a misunderstanding fair enough. No one else (famous) ever issued anything like this, maybe Kevin Spacey recently did, it was a strange apology  

And as far as what he said to the police, saying he didn't know who they were talking about, what exactly did you expect him to say? And of course he would think he "should have paid her off to stay silent", you think this is type of thing is rare?

I don't think him offering to pay her off was strange, admitting to the police that that's what he should have done was weird. That said if the police came to my hotel room and said the room service girl accused me of rape, after we just had sex  (that I thought was consensual) denying that I knew her and then denying that we had sex, then claiming it was consensual is really unusual behavior. This was Kobe in his prime, he could have said NOTHING and lawyered up immediately

It takes a certain kind of man to rape a woman, and I can't see a guy loke Kobe, who has dozens if not hundreds of gold digging groupies offering him pussy, ass, and oral every time he steps out the door, including hotel staff. Whether it's just to say they fucked a famous guy, or to get a lottery ticket pregnancy, or to say "rape" and get a settlement. I couldn't imagine even getting hard much less staying hard and busting a nut fucking a girl who I knew didn't want to fuck me... Much less him, with a dozen girls waiting in the lobby just to be picked.

Nothing about it makes sense.

Agreed but neither did his behavior, read the transcripts of his accounts of what happened. I don't think he went in with the idea of rapeing this chick, but it was apparent he got off on being dominate

How many times does the girl regret fucking a dude After the fact, and claim rape? I could claim rape after fucking a good 10-12 of the girls I slept with, because I let the girl initiate sex the first time I'm with him about 98% of the time if not a hundred percent... And I just go along with it so I don't hurt their feelings. How many of those girls stopped to ask "do you consent to intercourse with me"? That's not even counting the times when dancing at a bachelorette party, or any party for that matter, and a girl took out my dick and puts it in her mouth.

Is it ok or cool rape a girl? Fuck no. But guys who rape girls tend to be sexual predators, and their sexual preferences need them to be turned on by that sort of thing. Those dudes don't deserve to go to jail, they deserve to be hung from a tree. Because as with any other sexual preference, there's no Rehabilitation for it. And given the opportunity they'll repeat the behavior over and over again. Not to mention they will do their best to position themselves where that opportunity will present itself as often as possible. Which is why you have a child molesters commonly working in schools or in coaching positions were there around children as much as possible. Same goes with priests. You will always see a pattern. You cannot rehabilitate somebody like that. Just like you can't take me being attracted to short curvy girls with dark hair and dark eyes, and rehabilitate me into being attracted to tall skinny blonde hair blue-eyed girls. Sure I can act "as if" and even marry a tall skinny Barbie doll looking girl, however I'm always going to be attracted to short curvy Asian girls, Islanders, and Latinas and if the opportunity arises, I'll end up sleeping with one or having an affair or whatever. Same thing was gay guys you can't rehabilitate them into being attracted to women. Given the opportunity they're still going to fuck a dude.

Point is, there's always a pattern, and a guy who is accused of rape, it's usually not the first time, and even if he gets off and beats the charges, Hill rape again and eventually word will get out again and again and again. We've heard nothing of the sort of Kobe. Which is not likely in the age of the internet.

I understand what you're saying, it would seem that all rapists are serial predators (like alcoholics with multiple dui's and drug users with multiple arrests or pimps or tax fraud) but maybe he wasn't a serial criminal, it was likely was a one time deal that escalated out of control (Titus and Kelly Ryan type of circumstances).

Based on your history you've been in enough criminal situations  (I'm not saying rape) so that you know how to control the narrative when confronted by police, Kobe's response was to cover everything up and paint a completely different story and then try to shape the events. It looked like a dude whon got caught doing something wrong.

Maybe he was innocent